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cjhills wrote:I might be missing something but it seems like pretty much all dogs naturally flush and a lot of most pointing dogs naturally point. I guess I just don't get the question....................Cj

All canines chase their game at some point...or they'd starve.

dan v

JKP wrote:breeds are just man made anyway.

Truer words have never been spoken.

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Kwik...please explain, much better than I, about how judges "get" certain breeds to judge. I'll keep it short as its a big gap from the topic at hand. Essentially you Apply, do some provisional judging, Get a breed mentor, do some sweepstakes judging, and attend a judges education seminar. There is...

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Kwik...please explain, much better than I, about how judges "get" certain breeds to judge.

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ezzy333 wrote: judged to their individual standard to the best of the judges ability

And there's the money.

Dan

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All good points, Ezzy. I have some experience with dog shows and I am very impressed a judge can learn even one standard let alone all of a Group. When it comes to Best in Show, I think they just pick the prettiest one. But you are right, if they can do it in shows we should be able to do it in tri...

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I'm betting KwikIrish will beat me near death when I say this. But Ezzy, if you believe that the Best of Group or Best in Show dogs are judged strictly on how they represent the standard of the breed....well, I got this bridge.........

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Does anyone notice that we have all these man made rules and beauty "points" that are totally artificial and that have nothing to do with finding and pointing game? JKP, do you go hunting solely to fill your game bag? If not, then "beauty points," and aesthetics generally, must surely be part of th...

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I am aware that at the AKC Gun Dog Ch. they award the top dog in each breed, I assumed it was all to the same standard, but perhaps not. Perhaps the top Gordon is judged to a Gordon standard, and so own and I am not smart enough to understand. Neil, I have thoughts on this, but not on tablet. Ok, o...

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Thanks Ray...that's what we're after. Differences...on paper.

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I think the point Neil is trying to make, and using your Chev vs Mercedes analogy....both those makers build the same class of truck, and both are intended to do the same job. But they do build other class' of trucks as well, so to compare a class 8 truck to a class 3 truck is apples vs oranges. Nei...

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DC50 is NOT approved for AKC events.

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I haven't seen a sporting dog with too much. Of course the German Shepard comes to mind. Ezzy You haven't been looking hard enough. Shows setters can have too much rear angulation....in order for their hocks to be perpendicular to the floor/ground, they are stretched over an amazing amount of groun...

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fuzznut wrote:I like the bottom dog better, balanced front and back. And I like the bend of stifle in the bottom dog. The top dog has a roached top line.

A bit too square for my taste, but...

I like some arch over the loin.

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Good post Jerry. 4 passes for JH.....4 for SH with a JH, 5 without a JH......5 passes for MH with a SH, 6 passes without SH.

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Max2.....The thread has drug on and on, I can't even recall if you said you are competitive or not. And I'm not going back and looking. Plenty of people are competitive, nothing wrong with that. The question is how does that competitive person handle loosing? Because there is way more loosing than w...

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Trust me Jerry, I know how the "game" is played regarding some pros giving "advice". I've had a pro try to get me to switch teams in a not very subtle way. One of the thing that I see that frustrates a good pro is having a dedicated owner that is stuck on a non-competitive dog, and a pro that has a ...

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Jerry....one more thing. It probably feels like you're getting ganged up on here. Not my intent, nor I'd be willing to bet it is the others intent either. We'll meet up at an event and we'll BS about things just like we always have.

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I have no intention of getting into some kind of cyber war with you. You obviously have much more experience and knowledge than I and I have always respected your opinion and admired your dogs. You are also entitled to your opinion. You know what they say about opinions. I have run a few puppy and ...

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.......I went after a dog that had backcasted, proudly returning him to the front. Only to have the handler say, "That is not my dog up there, must be from the Gun Dog". "Whoops" I say to myself, I take him back and while I am gone our dog returned to the front on his own. Maybe it is not that funn...

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Also be aware if you run in open or would acquire a pup and run puppy or derby and get braced with a pro or a top amateur. In spite of what every one tells you about what good sports they are, they cannot afford to have a newby beat them and they know how to do what they have to take your dog out. ...

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Jeff...is the AKC making the club hold a number of sanctioned events before they allow the club to hold licensed events? The AKC has "Fast Track". This is where the club can forgo the sanctioning process by documenting significant experience within the club. Good!....They did that a while back for ...

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Jeff...is the AKC making the club hold a number of sanctioned events before they allow the club to hold licensed events?

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It's the assertion you make about linebreeding makes for smaller dogs. Best do yer research then. It does make smaller dogs over a long time, generation after generation with no outcrosses. The ped was to show you how she was bred, gen to gen. Gotta outcross every so often. There are some good book...

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I don't give a whit about the pedigree. It's the assertion you make about linebreeding makes for smaller dogs. Inbred depression can be traced to a bunch of things but I've never seen reduced size being one one of them. Reduction in litter size, reduction in fertility being the most common.

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markj wrote:Yes, they need to have both. I have a FT bred female I got awhile back. She is a lot smaller than the one I have out of a DC. The line breeding will make a smaller dog IMHO.

Linebreeding trends a smaller dog? What if I select larger individuals to line breed?

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Jerry, If the handler is riding off, to the front, with the dog....and he gets the dog pointed up. He might have to wait a very long time for the judges to arrive, and then that doesn't even take into account the handler riding to the front dragging the bracemate with...affecting the other dog and h...

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cjhills wrote:One more question. Do the handler stay with the dog or the judges in a upper level trial? Cj

Jerry...flesh that question out a little better.

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Go to the cover dog site...they know.

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We used to see a lot of articles about eastern coyotes being crossed with domestic dogs. That may account for the size. A fifty pound coyote in Minnesota would be really big. Never heard of coyotes and wolves crossing. Coyotes are pretty much lunch for wolves. When big dogs move in small dogs move ...

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I wonder if any of the top level sled dog teams run purebreds? Or, as I think, they are concerned about one thing...performance, get the sled to the finish before anybody else. But I guess the flip side is...they aren't restrained by a registry either.

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But Sharon....just remember...those evil field trialers have changed the breeds. /s

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Does anybody ship puppies with this company. Uship.com..............................Cj Jerry...I think you know Uship isn't a company...it's a brokerage service. There are number of specialized dog haulers, look that direction. Or simply bide you time after you put out a request on a few dog boards...

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Kwikirish....you cannot deny the post by birddog1968. I don't think the thinking in the show world, of "bringing a breed to perfection" being so extreme in the non-sporting breeds is exclusive to them. Every AKC breed club, on the show side, thinks this way....bring the breed to perfection....in the...

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Neil, the bigger question. Who changed? The field bred Pointer? Or the show bred Pointer? The show people changed their interpretation, the standard did not. As already said the show dogs tend to be at the upper range of size. The pointer, Mary Montrose won the National Championship and was put on ...

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Neil, the bigger question. Who changed? The field bred Pointer? Or the show bred Pointer?

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So the improvements to the Pointer, as done in 'Murica, are wrong?

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For those that keep bring up Shadow Oak Bo.....you do know that he is not a she...right?

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Jerry....I don't think there is anything wrong with having some sort of paperwork that states the terms ya'll have agreed to. That said, some buyers need nothing, others will need something.....it kinda depends on each scenario. ie: co-own, breeding rights, naming if co-own...all kinds of things. Bu...

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Still have to enforce them Jerry. I'm talking about a handshake agreement. Not enforcing anything. Isn't putting his kennel name on the registration a restriction especially after the puppy is paid for, hummmmm! Dan, I guess you are right never thought of it like that. But I really had a lot of res...

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Still have to enforce them Jerry.

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Wasn't trying to take away from any accomplishment in fact I stated that it was a tremendous accomplishment. Then I simply stated my own opinion that I believe a National Champion should be awarded to the Purina Points winner to be more specific. I will go further though and say that I think way to...

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Is singing the norm so that the dog won't come back toward the handler...in other words, allows the dog to keep track of you and stay to the front?? What would happen in most cases if a handler didn't 'sing"? I've seen this discussed before but I think those unacquainted might like to know. Look at...

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JKP....at times a relocate can be a thrilling piece of bird work....handler taps the dog on the head, he goes off like a shot...BANG, sticks the bird. It's thrilling because of the other side of the coin.

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Doc...my reply was pretty vague as to where the bird was compared to the dog when the bird took flight. You made the right call. That's the part of being there watching. Also, it one of the reasons I try not to be moving on the ground if the dog is on a relocate. In reality...the scenario you descri...

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The "problem" with a relocation, and why handlers will take the NP is pretty simple. If, while the dog is on the move, the bird or birds take flight you're out. Very hard to make the case it was a Stop to Flush....the dog knew the birds were there and his movement caused them to take flight. Stop t...

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The "problem" with a relocation, and why handlers will take the NP is pretty simple. If, while the dog is on the move, the bird or birds take flight you're out. Very hard to make the case it was a Stop to Flush....the dog knew the birds were there and his movement caused them to take flight. Stop to...

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$1500 really isn't that high for a stud service.

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Elkhunter wrote:My pointer as a derby went birdless almost every time. He was always on the edges, never in the path. Yet his 8 month of old brace mate had 6 finds in the path. He won, I did not place.

Yeah...but he make YOU happy?

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