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MillerClemsonHD

You could be honest Tony and just say you want me there to scout. Chris, who are you kidding? No way Jim can out walk you. Should be a good brace Jim. I will drive 3.5 hrs get out of truck , 10 minute stretch and run. There's always a bird under the big oak Hopefully all goes well. See you Sunday. D...

MillerClemsonHD

Not likely Chris..... I walk so slow my mom had me tested when I was a kid to make sure I wasnt damaged goods.... haha. Jim Did they run the wrong test? I don't think walking was what they needed to test to answer that question!! Good luck to both of you guys, would have been there if didn't have a...

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The CPDA has been formed to bring AKC field trials back to SC. A small group of us have been working for the past year and a half to get this new club started and we will be holding our first club field trial on Nov 9-10. We will be holding a walking field trial on private grounds just outside of Gr...

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My horses were pasture boarded for the past year and half. There were 3 geldings and a mare. They were all fine. They sort it out the first few days and someone is in charge. Usually it will be the mare, but my gelding was not willing to give up the top spot. The age when the two you have were gelde...

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... You can't just show up on trial day and start hollering like a wild man and expect anything from the dog. ... http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/roaniecowpony/Emoticons/thcoffeescreen.gif Now, that's funny! It would be even more funny if I hadn't seen it happen more than once. Guess I can't...

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How does all the singing work for you when hunting :?: :lol: Doesn't take near as much singing when there isn't a defined course to be followed and you can go where you want when hunting. Still sing to them to let them know they are fine and keep going or turn to go with us. Never had it be an issu...

MillerClemsonHD

:D I did search this before posting and the last question on this topic got the same response. Im just trying to get an idea on how its used to handle the dogs. Ive only been to one hb trial and was wondering about the whole singing thing. I heard alot during some braces and other braces not much a...

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The biggest thing I see is they don't have a purpose in what they are doing and have no plan. When I sing to my dog it has a purpose. I see people all the time that have watched many handler constantly hollering, whistling, and everything else but the dog has no clue what is being asked and they are...

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4dabirds wrote:Wow tag team advertising, I like it!

Coming from the guy who spends hours and hours trying to convince everyone that some gimmick is the best way to train a bird dog!! You getting a commission on that junk?

MillerClemsonHD

I think of it as reverse training. You're teaching the dog to stand birds (by making him stand Whoa while you throw them), then letting him point. Not letting him point, then working on holding point. There's a lot leading up to this, of course. This isn't the dog's first interaction with birds. Le...

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I'm sure they can, but you and I obviously don't look for the same thing in a broke dog, the manners are a small part of the equation. Ultra you redshirting that puppy for 2 or 3 years to be able to run a broke dog in puppy stakes? A dog that never catches a bird can easily be broke by 15 mos. Heck ...

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Puppy and derby is a good chance for you and your dog to get experience just don't ruin that opportunity chasing ribbons. I put a limit on how many juvy stakes I will run. Puppy is 2-3 and derby is 5. Puppy is a chance for them to get exposure to a trial is all. Deby they can get a 1-2 shots as a yo...

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I'm never going to run any stake to chase any kind of pts or DOY award. Just not how or why I play the game. If the derby's in your region are broke like most AF derby's then run him as much as your are comfortable running him. Early spring derby's aren't always as broke as fall derbies so its a dec...

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2013 AKC Pointing Breed Walking Gun Dog Championship Monday April 29 There were a few scattered showers off and on throughout the day but in general it was dry and the temperature was ideal for the dogs. Braces 15 through 18 were run during the morning, except that the female in season in brace 18 r...

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Here is the Sunday write up. Sunday April 28 The forecast was for rain, the temperature held steady in the mid 50’s throughout the day. The rain began during the second brace of the morning and doused everyone until late afternoon. Scenting conditions were excellent but wet birds were a hazard. Even...

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Mo has already given his input. How about the input from another highly qualified individual on developing puppies. I did not hear anything about launchers, check cords, or restraining puppies in this interview, but maybe that was just me. http://strideaway.com/developing-puppies-podcast-interview-...

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Mo has already given his input. How about the input from another highly qualified individual on developing puppies. I did not hear anything about launchers, check cords, or restraining puppies in this interview, but maybe that was just me. http://strideaway.com/developing-puppies-podcast-interview-w...

MillerClemsonHD

You can buy a starter pistol at most sporting goods stotes pretty cheap. I bought one at Bass Pro that shoots a primer load or crimps for around 50 bucks. Works good enough for me just have to clean it regularly. If I can get one for under $50 bucks that's not so bad. Most of the ones I've seen are...

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How do you introduce the gun if the dog never chases a bird? Drills?? Are we going to football practice or is the goal to develop a bird dog? Most dogs learn that chasing to the next county is pointless on their own. A few need help with that but they all are going to have to get the chase out of th...

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Don't jump on me for this is a honest question, what does finding a bird have to do with chasing? Can't you not do them both from the beginning? Take the chase out while your getting him steady from day 1? The only way to keep them from chasing is a checkcord which means you are leading them around...

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Elkhunter wrote:How do you prevent an 8 month old dog from chasing wild birds?

That's easy put them on a checkcord and only work birds that are in launchers until they are broke!! Doesn't matter if they can find birds only that they point them right!!

MillerClemsonHD

I will post the same thing as I did in the other three similar threads in the past 2 weeks. Neil and KCBrittfan are the ones you need to listen to. A PUPPY needs time to develop, learn to go FIND birds before you break them. They have to learn how to do this on their own. Some early exposure to chas...

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ScottE wrote:I called Bruce and all I can say is he sounds like a true professional. Looks like he's going to be my trainer.

Good deal.

MillerClemsonHD

I can vouch for Bruce at Almost Heaven GSP's. He doesn't only train GSP's. I know he has a Britt at his place now and had setters and a puddlepointer recently as well. Here is his website, give him a call and talk to him. http://www.almostheavengsps.com/Contact.asp?mnuid=2891&HDR=Contact%20Us If you...

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ultracarry wrote:here they are..... everything you could ask for in a puppy.

Surprised to see you putting up pictures of a white and liver dog since you don't think they have any style. Looks like he is proving that theory wrong!

Looks good to me.

MillerClemsonHD

Being able to read a dog and excellent timing allows a good trainer to be consistent through repetition and also enables them to know when praise is needed and when discipline is needed. The first two come before the other 4 every time. Consistently having bad timing, using discipline or praise inco...

MillerClemsonHD

For me a map would be nice if I know when to start something new. I never know if my dog is to young to start things. I think this is the hardest part of training and with everyone saying different things it is crazy. The dog is your map. You have to learn to read what he tells you. They tell you w...

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How many birds has this dog seen not in launchers? How many did he knock and chase? Why is he on a checkcord getting broke already? Has he learned how to hunt and find birds for himself? Go run him on wild birds or really good flying birds and let him figure out he can't catch them. After he shows h...

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Training dogs is a whole lot more like sales than manufacturing. You need to learn how to read your dog like a salesman reads people. None of the rest of that stuff matters. If you can't read your dog then all the charts and books in the world aren't going to help you.

MillerClemsonHD

"If so, would you select for the good long term memory or just try to avoid the lack of it?" Mountaindogs The dog you are describing that needs to be handled to birdy areas over and over and needs to start from square one over and over again should probably never garner enough interest to be bred? ...

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Congrats Tony. Always enjoy running against you and Dougie, as I know you aren't going to make us work hard to be in the ribbons. We both know you and I could have easily swapped places in olgd and the judges still would have gotten it right. Wait till that boy has more than 5 times in front of a ho...

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Thanks for the shout out Tony. Thanks Bruce and Mo. You guys have both helped us more than a little along the way. Bruce I remember you saying that and looking at you like you were crazy and I had no idea what you were talking about. Now I got horses and a trailer, training grounds lease, trips to t...

MillerClemsonHD

You did no harm hunting your dogs for a year and letting them grow up. Too much emphasis is being put on making young dogs grow up too fast and not getting the chance to mature at their own rate. Take your time and get it right on the checkcord and build on it. Don't be afraid to take Mo up on his o...

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If you are using the silent approach stick to it. If you bought Mos book his email is in it. I am sure he will be more than happy to help you if you email him questions. I'd also say re read his book and you might answer your own questions. I don't know how far your dogs have progressed through the ...

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Blue ribbons earn special treatment apparently! I do not have photo proof but Dougie rode in the front seat of the truck and slept in the bed while tony slept on the floor at the hotel! https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-thyWCxNVkeg/UTVC-6M6PKI/AAAAAAAASr8/MQcCanQTJ2o/s919/DSC_0407.JPG https://lh6.g...

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Picture of a small piece of one of the 6 1hr courses at hoffman. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rmf0dvET1UQ/UTVC3O9_BqI/AAAAAAAASpQ/hLZ6ZHeuoDE/s919/DSC_0387.JPG Will handling in the edge of the piney woods https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wQj2ohnCvQs/UTVCtawWRHI/AAAAAAAASmc/1gY5Cfbh25s/s919/D...

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Front Row
Heather Miller with Mae
Tony with Dougie
Back Row
Doug Miller
Judge: Bill Halloway

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Tony and Dougie

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If they can't get it right on the checkcord at 13 feet they will never get it right at 50 or 100 or 1000yds.

MillerClemsonHD

Where in SC are you?

MillerClemsonHD

Have to agree with Chris here. These are some great grounds and who doesn't want to be involved with the first AKC trial (other than closed Britt trials) to run at Hoffman. All the birds there are pre released are done so late summer/early fall and always the chance of wild birds or a woodcock find....

MillerClemsonHD

I don't need anyone telling me how to store my possessions on my private property. Anyone accessing my home without my permission has broken a law. Most of my guns are stored in locking cabinet. This is only in hopes they wont find them or slow them down enough that they have to get out before getti...

MillerClemsonHD

Yeah ATF and DOJ has proven they are very competent at tracking weapons!! What good does tracking a gun legally purchased? A very small % of crimes are committed by the person who legally purchased the gun. Stats I saw around 6% not 50. If someone breaks into my house (they already broke laws) and s...

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You guys just don't get it. The drug dealers and those involved in gang activities are responsible for most gun violence. They are CAREER criminals not someone who makes a bad choice. You can pass as many laws as you want and they will not follow them. Their chosen profession drug dealing is ILLEGAL...

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Miller Clemson- Amen, but your preaching to the chior! I told my wife a couple days ago that if they outlaw guns only outlaws will have them. She stated that she understood, until.............. Then I told her that I am about to become an outlaw. Sadly it doesn't look like I'm preaching to the choi...

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I do not and will not support our government limiting gun ownership anymore than they already do. If you give them an inch they will take them one by one till they have gone a mile!! No gang banger in downtown Detroit or Chicago cares about background checks, safety classes or anything else. They wi...

MillerClemsonHD

I'm just gonna leave this alone. You guys talk about britts and gsps at Ames.

I'll keep running my gsps and having fun and run my pointer and maybe someday people will be talking about him on the internet.

MillerClemsonHD

Weekend stakes in AF are 1hr. .......... You should just stop...it's clear, you have no idea what you're talking about. We are talking about AA stakes right? Maybe I should have made that clearer. I have never seen an ad for a 30 min AA stake but hey I'll look a little harder maybe I'll find one. Y...

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Any dog that is qualified the first question asked is what did they win to qualify. In my experience, usually the first question asked when a dog qualifies is "are ya' goin'?" and that's after a good round of congratulations. Pretty sure the question of "what did they win to qualify?" gets asked on...

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Nope just the biggest. If gsps and britts can compete there then they have a reason to talk and say they belong![/quote] So, only pointers and setters that win there can say they belong? What about all the other long tails that qualify at the "other" Nat. Qualifiers? Do they not deserve to be there?...

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