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mudhunter

Pointers and setters mostly in my area, and they need to run.

mudhunter

IT might not be a bad drive for you to cross the river into PA and check out Pete DeAngelis at www.longviewkennels.com You wouldn't find a better trainer if your looking for a broke stylish Bird dog.

mudhunter

If your serious about developing a pointing dog for a small gene pool like that I would get the help of a good trainer. The really good dogs train themselves but it takes an experienced and knowledgeable hand to bring out the most in some that don't have as strong of instincts. Post a picture of the...

mudhunter

Don't get too hung up on Derby placements, work on getting the dog broke right so you can continue to compete in adult stakes for the future! Good luck and have fun!

mudhunter

Do you really need someone to tell you want to do. Don't let the pup out till you catch the bird.

Then stop letting the dog mess with clipped wing birds.

mudhunter

It depends on the dog, if its a clean kennel dog it will probably be easy. I have a setter that I brought in the house that lived the first 1.5 years in a kennel and I can count the accidents he had on one hand (and not use all those fingers). The whole trick is to treat him like a puppy, put him in...

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Ill tell you what I was taught. If the dog is still doing this after the puppy stage, set him up so he has a good distance between him and the other dog when you break them away, if you see the trouble dog look over at the other dog and start to head that way hit him with the E-collar, don't say any...

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DGFavor wrote:
Its comical.
It's cheating. It's lying. Nothing comical about it. Is it something you'd teach your kids to do?

Couldn't agree more! I think way too much pressure gets put on, "true" Derbies to be competitive against dogs that should be first year or second year adult dogs.

mudhunter

good fences make good neighors

mudhunter

I find that to be an interesting experiment. Honestly I would not envision it working but you never know unless you try. My thinking is the natural instinct that we (humans), through selective breeding and training, call pointing is actually stalking prey. Pointing doesn't make sense if we are out o...

mudhunter

I have no horse, with that said... at a trial recently a very experienced horse person told me they never use the dog type stake outs (pictures above) because the top is too sharp and if the horse rolls on the ground it can be impaled on the stake. Don't know how accurate but thought it might be wor...

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Just from what I have seen with my limited exposure. An All Age AKC dogs is equivalent in Range to an AF shooting dog. That is just what I have seen at trials in and around PA area. Many of the dogs I have seen run AKC Gun dogs were big foot hunting dogs in my opinion (not all, a few could really mo...

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They look dead broke! I doubt they would chase a step! Nice looking pups!

mudhunter

Its really up to you! You will have the easiest time finding an English setter that has been trialed for grouse simply because they are popular in your area in the cover dog stakes. I have setters and really like them as grouse dogs but that's because I really like them, not because that they are su...

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Thanks Wagonmaster I'm Listening! The dogs know what it takes to point wild birds, we hunt Ruffed Grouse and woodcock primarily. I really look forward to seeing them open up!

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How difficult has it been getting into Canada with guns and everything?

mudhunter

Thanks everyone, keep suggestions coming.

Gordon Guy, like I said I got family in MN, near Pelican Rapids, so if I can get into good bird numbers their that will be ideal! (plus take a lot of time off the drive!)

mudhunter

I'm researching a trip out to the prairies this fall for some birds. I am from Pennsylvania and know nothing of the prairies except what I read. My trip requirements are early fall, the earlier the better. Lots of birds, I don't really care what kind as long as they are game birds. I frankly don't c...

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Are you talking AF or AKC trials? If so, and you want to make the breaking process the easiest for yourself and the dog (less pressure). Do not allow the dog to retrieve. I'm not saying you can't do both just saying its easier to break a dog that has never been allowed to retrieve shot birds. When t...

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Like other said, don't compare to other dogs, they all mature differently! let her mature and get her around as many wild birds as possible, if you only option is pen raised birds find a training group, they will usually let you come and work with them for very little at first.

mudhunter

I want as little food in my dogs belly when I run/hunt him as possible. They run better and are safer(no chance of flipping stomach) with an empty stomach. If the dog free feeds you don't know when he has a full belly. Just my thoughts on the matter.

mudhunter

A Pro friend of mine always say "you don't know what you got till you break them"

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K2K- Mudhunter- I would have to disagree that not much harm can be done. Running puppies can create some tough problems to correct in the training process, i.e. chasing, tagging, disobedience. I dont like running puppies because you loose control without a checkcord or collar. You also never know w...

mudhunter

Go to some trials and talk to people, most trial people are willing to help a great deal and you may hook up with people in your area! Go ahead and run you puppy, not much is expected of a pup so you have little risk of doing any harm, it will give people a chance to see you as well.

mudhunter

1st socialize the puppy! Take it around and get it used to all sorts of people and stuff going on around them. Get it used to running in the field or woods and make sure its listening. Get it used to stuff it will need later on in training, always put an ecollar on them from the time the are big eno...

mudhunter

I have no idea what a Lurcher is but looks like fun!

mudhunter

Nice Job! Kill them all!

mudhunter

When I first bring a new one home I let the other dogs sniff him in the yard and then just bring them all in when they get over the excitement. I watch them real close to make sure they get along and feed separately till you get to know how they get along. I don't make big deal out of it.

mudhunter

Check into this: http://www.friendsofanimals.org/programs/spay-neuter/index.html . Says $90. Now, that's about the first thing I found when I googled for "low cost spay and neuter", so take it for what it's worth. Greg J. Prior to using friends of animals you might want to check out what kind of th...

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looks like a good hunt! The barb wire is bad but nothing compared to the Constantine (spelling?) wire that you find on large military bases! I was hunting in Ft. Bragg with my brother and that stuff is every where, his dog got stuck in it one day and needed an unreal amount of stitches (I can't reme...

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In my area, southeast PA its cheaper to get a well bred bird dog than to get a mutt with a fancy name. Its all about supply and demand (mostly demand). Too many people, bird dog people included, think they can make money breeding these dogs. IMHO the only time to breed two dogs is if you honestly th...

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one thing to rember is dont hold the body and shake the head you will kill the bird and have a mess on your hands when you pop a dead bird out of a launcher and the pup trys to get the bird trust me i have done it before Im sorry, I usually refrain from asking stupid questions but why would you diz...

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The quail will not breed. They will Lay eggs that you can remove and incubate yourself but the Quail will not hatch their own eggs in the pen. Pigeons will do it all by themselves. As far as whats better for training I prefer quail but they only work if you can can train within a few hundred yards o...

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Is she a clean dog? If the dog is a clean dog in the Kennel it will be easier to house train. I have a dog that was kenneled the first year and half and I brought him in. I crated him when ever I couldn't watch him but he never went in the house and now (about 2 months later) I don't worry about him...

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I logged 34 miles last week grouse hunting between two dogs.

mudhunter

If you want them to act as wild as possible when you release them I have always thought keeping them isolated was best, don't let them see people or dogs. Feed and water at night.

mudhunter

You need to stop hunting them together and take a few steps back with younger dog. When she "weaved" at the shot she was telling you that you were moving to fast. Take a step back with her and reintroduce the gun from a distance with a helper and slowly move in as she chases the bird. If you keep go...

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I would avoid the birds right now, you would probably just get him to associate birds and guns as bad. I would try to desensitize him to the sight of the gun, different than what we typically do for introducing the gun shot. Do what other people suggested and leave it next to his food, make it a com...

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Great looking dogs!!! I love the pic of the brit with attitude!!!!! I really like Brittanies, they have so much hunt in such a little package!

mudhunter

This is just my opinion and im sure others have success doing it differently but since you plan to keep trialing her are you sure you want to let her retrieve just yet, she still a derby. I personally would wait till you get her into adult dog stakes for a season or two before allowing her to retrie...

mudhunter

What a pro that I trust told me was if your going to break the dog DO IT. Don't hunt the dog or worry about its race, BREAK THE DOG! Once hes broke than you want to keep him close so you can correct when the he messes up, and they will. when you are sure the dog is dead broke than let him range out ...

mudhunter

I use ivermecton for heartworm, I get the extra Large frontline and measure out doses for each dog (same cost for the small dog as the extra large dog). I give my own shots except Rabies, for rabies I will go to clinics put on at the pet store, cost 15 dollars a shot opposed to $100 vet visit. I giv...

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Check out the cover dog site, their is a thread you will find interesting about the English setters currently being trialed titled "Bringing back the Setter article from 1962."

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If I'm not mistaken Frank Henderson owns Calico Kennels and the Tracys own Tracehaven Kennels.Not sure if Mike Tracy still has the Setter Stone Tavern Matrix or not(a Good one)Top winner and producer.I heard that Matrix was sold not long ago.Matrix has to be getting up there in age though. Thanks. ...

mudhunter

Ive seen a real nice pup out of Jetsetter and a Gridiron Bitch. You will have a hard time finding a better breeding than that!!

mudhunter

Any homing pigeon or rollers (they are similar but smaller and more aerobatic in the air.) You do need to let them have the babies and then the babies will come back to your coop.

mudhunter

I have found that if you keep them in the pen for like a month they will start to home from a short distance BUT if you really want to do it right you really need them to have babies and then those babies will home back to the coop. Feral pigeons will work if you don't train far from your pen but if...

mudhunter

Great looking dog, My llewellin will point anything, he really has the most natural point of all my dogs (I have 4 right now).

mudhunter

I am new to trialing and still developing my own technique. One of the first things I saw at a trial was that my dog was confused by hearing someone else singing and it screwed him up. Next time out training I had a buddy singing and hacking at his imaginary dog just to get my dog used to it, now he...

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If it isn't what YOU like to see in a dog send find it a new home. Why waste the time and energy unless its what you want, do it sooner rather than later so you don't get attached!

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