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gonehunten, Let me try to explain how this works, The Pet safe yard collar with auto beeper/shock is introduced after the dogs field training with the C-Cord and T&B collar, so the dog fully understands the T&B collar commands. The dog when he tries to test the limits of the Pet safe fence backs off...

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Gentlemen, As long as there are actual serious bird hunters, there will be wash out dogs, a dog who works to close all the time, or one with poor scenting ability usually will not make the grade with an avid Grouse hunter, no matter the dog breed. Ripper one of my Gordons is a big moving Gordon who ...

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Big Shooter, You are correct sir I was using it as a figure of speach, however standing on that WVA mountain and looking down is a very long way, never stepped off the exact yardage but it takes a hunter 15 minutes to walk down the mountain. If someone doubts, me take a trip to the Grear Mines mount...

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Chukar12, I do agree with you, and that is just the problem. Some people who own and breed dogs have big time agendas, and if your particular experience is outside of their agenda, there is a difference of opinion that they can not handle. These particular people usually can not hold a decent knowle...

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Birddogz,
What we do with slow developer dog like this is run him with a bigger running dog, however remember that some V-dogs hunt close as a matter of genetic imprint, if you are fighting the genetic imprint, good luck.
RGD/Dave

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Jason W77,
Never use them, never will.
RGD/Dave

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laWoodcocker, I will give you an over view of the training techniques we use. We do our intitial yard training with a C-Cord, using the silent dog training techniques developed by Delmar Smith. After that we use the Dogtra T&B collars, we train the dog to return or come with a double beep signal fro...

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Chukar 12, There is great merit to what ShortFat is saying, it all depends on how much experience as both a Grouse hunter and dog trainer, the owner/hunter possesses, it takes a life time of experience to judge what is really happening, having a mentor to educate the trainer cuts his learning time d...

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bdblitz, Now I would like to ask you a couple questions, sence you hunt baces quite a bit, please explain what the triangle Grouse hunting technique is, and how a brace would work when Grouse hunting together in it. In this particular case, the dog who returned to get his master, did not lock up on ...

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Brandon, Before you do anyting else take time to play and bond with the dog, using the CC is a good way to start, I would also get a PetSmart yard fence if you don't have a fence already. After you have bonded with the dog, I recommed the Dogtra T&B dog collar, especially if the dog is a LLew Setter...

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Birddogz,
When you have a Grouse location such as this, you can use it for training, and only shoot Grouse when your dog does everything you demand absolutley perfectly.
This developes big time Grouse dogs.
RGD/Dave

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gpblitz, Let me try to explain what I am talking about, its not about big running or close working, its about bidability. A dog should hunt the wild birds where the birds are located near or far, the difference is the compaion dog has the genetics to check in and is biddable and works with his maste...

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Wagonmaster, Man what a great post, I do believe your views on dogs and mine are really very similar. A dog should hunt where the wild birds are, but be biddable to his masters gunning. I sure understand that you like to play games with your dogs, and if you have GSP dogs who can handle Grouse and p...

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Greg, If Waganmaster owns a GSP no matter what it has accomplished it is a Versatile hunting dog, he maybe playing FT social games with them, but they are versatile dogs. As for your personal slap at me, I never have played any kind of social FT games, never will, we Grouse hunt. Some people think F...

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Hondo, We came up with the name Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers because of just where we wanted the kennel to be located along Pine Creek in North central Pa, and because we wanted it understood that our training is for a certain specialized type of dog. We also wanted it understood that we are not a...

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Chukar 12, I just love this stuff, its ok for a dog to be a FT wash out, but a big mental trip for a dog to be a hunting wash out, and unfortunately in some breeds, such as Weimars and Irish Setters very poor hunting instincts do genetically exist, these dogs are definitely hunting wash outs, they m...

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Solon, You seem to think your dogs are pretty good Grouse dogs, I extend an open invitation to you this Grouse season to bring them to Potter County or Somerset County and Grouse hunt with us, would love to see your dogs in action, on an actual Grouse hunt. Same with you Ray and your independent Gun...

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Wagaonmaster, Very good post sir, I see your ident picture is a GSP, is this the FT stock you are talking about? Versatile dogs, even with the infushion of Englsih Pointer stock here in the USA, are not what is considered true FT stock, no matter what you personally are trying to accomplish with the...

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Greg,
Your truth might be different than mountaineers, or maybe the same, he sounds a lot like Billy Clinton, better to deal in facts and genetics they provide real information.
RGD/Dave

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Mountaineer, As usual when someone like you disagrees with the truth they personally attack the information giver, I have been insulted by people like you all my life, your misguided try at personal intimidation does not change the facts never will. As another matter of fact, Rory has a great home, ...

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FF,
Very serious looking pup, beautiful pictures have a great time with her.
RGD/Dave

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Birddogz, Range is very subjective, genetic imprint plays a big part in what type of dog you want to hunt behind, there are many different types. Do you want a big running dog for Texas Quail or do you want a Grouse dog for the deep woods. Sure you can make a dog adapt by discipline and training, bu...

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Gentlemen, A hunter/trainer should know and obey the game laws of his state, each is different here in Pa we can train all year around, but most of us pull our dogs in breeding season until the chicks are of flight age. Training on Woodcock and young Grouse is very benificial to a young dogs develop...

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Birddogz, You are not being a jerk, you are telling the truth, our Grouse hunting in Pa is very challenging and a 6 to 10 point day is not a real good day in Canada or NH or some states out west. However if you like to hunt spooky birds with a good dog a Grouse hunter can have a ball in NC or SW, Pa...

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Hondo, It all depends on what you mean by wash out, when a man or lady purchases a FT type dog who does not make the grade he still owns an FT wash out, not a true companion hunting dog. The FT guys are going to go crazy trying to defend their discarded dogs but very few FT bred dogs make good Grous...

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RF, Not that I want another experienced Grouse hunter in our North Central Pa Grouse woods, but you must be planning on an early season trip, Pa's Grouse season runs from about the 15th of October till almost the end of January, and we can train in the SGL/SFL with our dogs all year around. We have ...

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Gentlemen,
I do not use Ivormec any more, I have been using an extrernal product called Advocate for many years now. I believe its better for my dogs, and it works very very well
on just about every kind of paracite known to man. I also use Adams spray.
RGD/Dave

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Hondo, Here at Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers we feed Exceed Chicken & Rice from Sams $29.00 for 40 Lbs during hunting season. We also feed the Diamond Large Breed Puppy food to our pups. I also like the Dianond Large Breed dog food $32.00 for 44 lbs thru my Vet. I just started adding Sport Dog Pork...

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Ladies & Gentlemen, Looks like you are all going down the right road, with your training techniques, ZZWeim hit on a major play training technique we use, introduce your pup to water at a very early age, play with it in the water and let the pup see other older dogs in the water, this all pays off b...

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Okie, I fully understand you looking forward to acquire the live birds, good idea on your part, some people try to hurry dog developent way to quickly, was just trying to stear you right. You would not believe how man fail to realize a pup must develope as it growns, and each dog breed and individua...

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1114, I have a different view of the beeper than some do, the Dogtra T&B is still the best reliable long lasting collar ever developed. Depending on how you train the beeper is a reqiured function of your collar. The way we train the beeper ends up being your command giver, different number beeps me...

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Okiedogguy,
I know you guys are really interested in your dogs but at 9 weeks you need to be bonding with the pup not worried about birds, play training at this age goes a long way
in the dogs developement.
RGD/Dave
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GW, Don't know which state you live in, however if you live in a state that allows you to train on wild birds all year around, get the dog into the Grouse woods and let him experience some good clean bird scent, see if he naturally points for ya. Let the dog bump a few birds until he sets up, If you...

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RF, Georgia boy and Birddogz are giving you good advise, Althought I was suprised to see someone give the place away on the forum. It happens to be a great place to train your dog, lot of Grouse all over that area. I will give you another location that might be closer for you, up around Pittsburg, N...

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Gentlemen, I agree small hunting parties are the way to go, 4 dogs max, that is two dogs for each owner/hunter and two guns. However I prefer using the triangle Grouse hunting technique that calls for one dog and two gunners, on oppsite sides of a serious Grouse dog. To me other than hunting alone, ...

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BD68,
Please reread the post, it was long ago for the real German Weimars at the Wetobe Kennel in South Texas, and if a Chessie can not be a pointing dog, neither can the lab and this was really my point.
RGD/Dave

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Birddogz, I fully understand your plight and know others who have relocated for just the same reason, especially after they retire. I am very lucky to have a place in Potter/Tioga Pa, I spend at least 8 months out of the year here, travel to NH, VT, WVa and sometimes Canada to Grouse hunt and train ...

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Fish,
You are by far not the only man who thinks in this manner, try to make time to get your dog out as much as possible, you have given him a good home and
treat him well, never under estimate the value.
RGD/Dave

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Casper, No pictures for ya, however if you get to Tenn visit the museum and look at the Quail mounted flying around Count Noble. They are similar to Bob whites just a different coloring and slighly bigger. They were actually native to the state of Pa. SJ, did not mean to side track or hi-jack the th...

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Ladies & Gentlemen, I do think some people have forgoten that Chessies do point, especially while Grouse hunting, my friend Steves Chessie was a relentless Grouse hunter and pointed every bird Steve ever shot, the big dog was also the best retriever of any kind of game or birds I ever saw, land or w...

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Ladies and Gentlemen, From what I understand no state laws were broken by the Breeder, he was running a legal operation and anything that was done to his business including criminal trespass and dog theft, may end up being dealth with in court. I do not know the particulars but any and all people wh...

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I do believe Karn was correct in her thinking but used the wrong wording, its not just the hawks, its the flying predators in general. In Pa we have some of the best Grouse Habitat on earth, in SW Pa and especially North Central Pa. We do have decent Grouse populations in both,...

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Casper, The Pa Mountain Quail are extinct, I believe the article was in the Pa Game news long ago, along with being on display at the Carnegie Museum. Some of the last known birds are actually mounted with Count Noble and were shot just north of Pittsburgh where the Count was kept for many years. Th...

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SJ, Don't know about other parts of the country but here if you shoot your limit of Grouse, Woodcock and Pheasant in one day you pretty much have what these mountain men call a bird slam, does not happen very often. When my Grandfather was a young man they tried to shoot kind of a wild bird slam, Gr...

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BDSL,
Beautiful pup enjoy her.
RGD/Dave

Here is our new boy, Heston

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Sir, I do believe this is questions shows more of where you live and what kind hunting you most like to do with your dog. In my case here in Potter/Tioga Pa we train 90% on wild Grouse cause we still have enough wild birds to do so. Many people who train their own dogs do not have the time or wild b...

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Miss B,
Your are not curious, you are a game player, the cover is thicker than it looks, can't help what you have or have not seen before. Lots of Grouse have been killed in that particular covert, in Westmoreland county.
RGD/Dave

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J&R, In Rorys defense, he is still very young we will see what happens as he starts to mature, already he shows great promise in the Grouse woods, he may turn into a very good Grouse dog as he matures. I only gave you the negative side, so you would understand, its no bed of roses with him so far. R...

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ymepointer, I do have an Irish/Red Setter from Deb Fazenbaker line in Ohio, his name is Pine Creek Rory, he is just turning 12 months, and is going to be a very good Grouse dog, as far as his filed work is concerned, he has naturally pointed some real spooky Grouse, even at a very young age. However...

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TCJack, I think there are a few questions you need to find the answers to before you decide to FF your GSP. The man who sold you your dog told you that the dog was a finished dog, except that the dog did not retrieve. Was their any work done on the dogs retriever training, has the original owner tri...

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