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Frankly, the quality of the dogs you breed is a great deal more important than a couple or even several points in a COI calculation. I was just curous. I think this breeding will produce some very nice dogs and it won't be because of Rusty. Well he might of had something to do with it in the long r...

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Theresa wrote:You may have to sign up/register but this site says they have an inbreeding coefficient calculator

http://www.tenset.co.uk/fspeed/

According to this site it would be way less the 14% for sure. On this site if the dog is a grandparent on both sides it is only 12.5?

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What do you mean by 3 and 4 gen bouble bred rusty. does that mean rusty shows once in the 3rd gen and once in the 4th gen? Yes, once in the 3 on the bitch, once in the forth on the bitch. Then once on the forth of the stud and once on the fifth on the stud. So, the pups would be like 1 time in the ...

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I am wondering about breeding coefficients (sp). I am breeding 2 of my dogs in the spring. The female is 3 and 4 gen double bred rusty and the male is 4 and 5 gen double bred rusty. Would the coefficient be extremely low?

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If you have a dog you are doing yard work with that won't let you get in front of it they are great. You know some of those dog just don't want you to get in front and they think if you move they can. This is the only time I use mine but it is very valuable in this regard.

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http://www.ohiogamefarm.com/image/bdpups.bmp

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I just got home. I hunted Iowa County and shot 2 birds every day but one. The birds are down for sure but I seen over 100 birds total.

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Good luck, you are going to have a hard time I believe. It would be different if you had the female cause the person with the female is the one breeding the dogs and doing all the work. When you have a female you can breed to any dog in the country and proven dogs are going to make you litter worth ...

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Stapler. Not one for paper.

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Right on!!!

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I am not familar with science diet but she looks fine. I would not worry about it 4 cups is more food than I give any of my dogs. The fact that there is food left in the bowl is a sign that she is getting plenty of food. The soft stools is also a sign she might be getting a little too much.

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How much are you feeding her? What is the feed? How does she look? What kind of dog? Post some pics of the dog? If she is not under weight it is not a problem at all. Unless something is wrong dogs will regulate their weight pretty well. If the dog was hungry it would probably be up in a second. Doe...

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NIce picture the Aperature is perfect.

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Sorry to hear about your friend. I have a family member that has MS and it sucks. I am sure you will find someone to help you out. You are talking about a dream job for alot of people "me included". Good luck

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The biggest thing is they fly good and home back to the pen. You can use them over and over. I have had some for 5 years and have probably been used 1000 times. One big misconseption is when you start a dog you must shoot birds for it. Accually when you start a dog you should never shoot birds for i...

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It is a preferance thing. The red rose lofts have the divider cause the aviary opens and the birds trap from the aviary into the loft. On mine the aviary is more part of the loft and the trap is external. I like mine because it gives them more room to fly especially when I am in there. My breeding b...

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Where your problem would be is training and conditioning. It's not that your homer couldn't do it. It probably could if it was in shape. Most any homer around came from race birds at one time but race birds are constantly flown for hours. Plus they are trained from increasing distances not just drop...

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Chis I have been building a new loft too for a month and a half now. Hope it gets done before winter.

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Todd, can I make a sugestion? Put 2 pieces of 2x4 from the front of the aviary to the ground. This keeps them from flipping over if the wind blows. I know from experience and the babies and eggs don't do well when this happens. Like this. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/crazyt25/DSC_0353.jpg ...

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Looks great. These are just like mine except I leave the divider out of mine. They are great lofts and perfect for dog training cause they hold just the right amount. I really like the clear roofing on the front. Pigeons need light to be healthy. I wish I did that!

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Yep, they are bathing.

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Cedar wood chips for flooring and in the bottom of nests. I also spray mine with a spray for fleas and ticks (safe for birds) under both wings and one squirt in the vent area. (butt) I will post a link tomorrow. You can also just toss a little sevin dust (sp) under each wing. There are lots of ways ...

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How them birds doing?

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I use the energy bars and they are well worth it.

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Looks like a nice table set-up you got there.

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Welcome to the forum.

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Everytime this dicusion comes up it is the same thing. Every FC could be a MH and most MH's couldn't make it 5 min in a FT. I agree most FC's could be MH's if the owner wanted to really work at it. I also bet there are some that could not do it. There are alot of MH's that could not be FT's but ther...

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It don't matter what it is the top level is usually not easy. I have never talked to anyone that has accually finished MH that though it was easy.

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slistoe wrote:Sorry ayres, no theorizing on my part, only relaying my years of experience as a judge and competitor on the way things go down.

How many master dogs have you finished??

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Bear, The funny thing about the post you linked to is these guys lofts are most likely filled with pedigreed birds. (I know one of them is for sure) Peds. are not everything just like dogs but I will take both anytime. One of the guys in that post sells his unpedigreed YB's for 100 dollars ea. that ...

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Reech wrote:I perfer wild pigeons to pen raised quail for training. Most of the pigeons do not come back. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Want pigeons don't come back ones you trap??

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Ya, I seen it I post over there alot.

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I know my birds can't be raced.....I am just learning and training with them. I had my first training toss today and they did well. Not fast but made it home. I am in SE Tennessee. I have been involved with the local club and their races. I have several members that a more than happy to give me bir...

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I don't ever shoot birds for a dog that is not pointing. For me it is like rewarding them for not holding. There are people who do this but I believe that a dog is more reliable through it's life if it never has a bird shot that it did not hold for. When the dog holds and you shoot a bird down it wi...

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Breed the culls and fly the babies. You will have a really hard time getting race birds rehomed to your loft. They will home through the mountains. Everyone will loose more birds when they get farther away even the racing guys. Alot of guys have 50 percent losses over the year. Plus you have to reme...

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The yb's you have now can't be raced next year except in OB's (and they could never be competive in Ob's cause they have not raced in YB season) so I would use them if I had launchers. Launchers are not hard to use and they are accually better than just planting them in alot of cases. I don't like t...

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Yes, don't ever put a feral with pigeons you are racing with. One major think to racing is health. How are you going to use the pigeons? I use launchers and a blank gun for most training. Launchers have amost no chance of hurting the bird and the only way a dog would get it is if it did not fly and ...

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A master dog must point birds, hold STW&S plus hold through the fall until released, back the other dog plus back through the bracemates retrieve, retrieve to hand, all this without errors. For MH you can't command your dog constantly like for instance if your dog is backing (BTW you can't command y...

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I am sure you could get some culls for around 5 dollars ea. but you will never be able to let these go they will have to be breeders. If you did let them go you are taking your chances. If they have bred in your loft they might rehome to yours.

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Where you from? Get some birds that will home and be done with it. Maybe you could get the wild ones to, or get some homers cheap close to you. None of the hose, card, bottle, stuff works really good.

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If they are flying for 2 hours that is great. Maybe before they were flying off and stopping somewhere else? Most pigeons won't fly for over 2 hrs with out motivation (like being dropped off 300-500 mile away).

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Everyday, for how long?

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How much are you giving them orally for the once a day dosage??

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Yep, I thought it might be like that but wasn't sure from the pics.

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I am not sure if this one has a door that folds down on one side or not but I would suggest it. Like in the first box here. http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/catalog/baskets/index.html The reason is if you ever train your birds to use anywhere away from the pen you can release them all without takin...

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Brookzee, check out this girl I got, sounds like they are bred very close. http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=184
Did you get your right from Bonnie?

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Is the whiter dog the shameless dog? How much does it weigh? How close bred is it to shame?

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Sweet, I wonder if a pigeon would do that or just fly?

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Cool, A guy after my own heart.

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Gotta love those shamless dogs. I know I do. Welcome to the forum.

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