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averageguy

Thank you Gentlemen. Glad you enjoyed them. I enjoy seeing others photos and hearing about their hunting adventures.

averageguy

I echo alot of Ray G's post. I have done several things to increase the fat in my dog's diet during hunting season. Dyne is one product I use. This is another. http://www.nationaldogfood.com/energy.html, and I have switched to Inukshuk 32/32 as well. I was not after an increase in protein, but rathe...

averageguy

Well CJ I have never remotely implied it was my way. I in no way invented marker treat training and posted nothing to infer something as silly as that. Also never have you been my prime audience in this thread as you are obviously dead set against whatever I might advocate. No matter it is obvious o...

averageguy

Seems to me I am hearing more commonality here than I thought I heard initially.

averageguy

Robert, I have a library of Bill Hillman's DVDs. Excellent products and I really enjoy learning from him and his approach. But he is absolutely in a minority in the US at the moment. The US Gundog world lags. . Puppies thrive on it and then so do their handlers. Not what I am understanding or heari...

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averageguy

I was a blank slate when first exposed to "Magic Brushpile". I watched it numerous times looking to learn something, as well as I went to Mr. Higgins blog to read what he provided there. Unless this is limited only to cheerleading, my reaction remains several fold. The videos very often does not mat...

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BIll T, The pros are alot better at FF than are an amateur training a few dogs such as myself. The DVD programs that have come out have been very helpful to the masses in better preparing amateurs such as myself. Even better twice I bought a short 1:1 session with a talented Pro Trainer and got thei...

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Bill T, I think the questions you ask indicate the answer. Yes, I think Pro Trainers find the FF programs they use produce results faster than PR based methods. Key to that is the Pros are most often brought dogs at 10 or more months of age which often have missed out on all the excellent early deve...

averageguy

Lucky You. Thanks for Sharing.

averageguy

Yes it is a common occurrence elsewhere. And that includes widespread use in training just about every other form of working dogs in the US, other than Gundogs. Which makes some of the comments in this thread all the more surprising given there is no lack of evidence for the success of PR methods, i...

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averageguy

You can develop an excellent wild bird meat dog using all wild birds and OB work in the yard, then carried over to the field. Your dog can well be a standout at hunting for, finding, pointing and recovering downed birds using that approach alone. I did it with my first GWP. But if you desire polish ...

averageguy

On the theme of good pointing dogs don't need a retrieve, I think that varies quite a bit with the Breed. I find my GWPs absolutely benefit from a retrieve. To the degree that I find establishing clear linkage in the dog's head at an early age, that stopping at first scent, pointing and holding a po...

averageguy

I have also been using the e-collar for recall on my 2 year male old EP, I use the tone for the dog to come all they way back to me and heel, and I use the vibrate to get the dog to turn or at least look for me when I change directions and both of these work pretty darn good.....but, I seem to need...

averageguy

Well CJ, if you read the thread it is easy to see that several folks other than myself brought up the location issue. Hence my comments. I missed nothing but apparently you did. Someone who designed the Forum included the ability to be online anonymously so obviously everyone does not share your op...

averageguy

Just goes to show how opinions vary. I have several friends who all swear by their Montfeltros. I have shot a buddy's 20 and found it to be immediately nice in the hands and easy to get on target with. My Ultralight, Legacy 28 and SBE2 have all been immediate natural shooting shotguns for me. The SB...

averageguy

Garmin 550 Plus. You will never be sorry.

averageguy

I train my puppies to recall to voice, whistle and the tone on the ecollar in that order. Once trained I use the tone on the ecollar nearly exclusively as I place a huge premium on hunting in silence. The Perfect Start DVD provides excellent instruction on how to use a check cord to train the Here c...

averageguy

It is not funny but I can't help snickering. Yes I used the Alpha for the past 3 years and have been the victim of the horrible touch screen changing the training button settings inadvertently. It is critical to lock them. Which then makes it extremely slow to change them. Even worse when trying to ...

averageguy

Another vote for Air-washed. I program my puppies from the start to excel at recovering downed game, but the occasional instance where the dog cannot get scent on a downed bird happens. Sometimes the bird is laying in a low spot where the air does not seem to move its scent. Sometimes it is impossib...

averageguy

Back when I hunted some pen raised birds, I still refused to hunt them when it was raining or very wet in the cover. Pen raised birds cannot fly when their feathers get wet and it brings out the worst in the dog work.

averageguy

I started out with senses keen enough to use nothing but my eyes and ears. Then I went to Bells, then point only beepers, now GPS. Wow is GPS so much better! I am surprised at how many folks do not consider how piercing that beeper going off just behind the dog's ear must be for the dog. Weed seeds ...

averageguy

Thank You Sir. Been looking for some of your excellent camera work of you and Chance's adventures. Hope all is well and you are in the field often.

averageguy

Well CJ, if you read the thread it is easy to see that several folks other than myself brought up the location issue. Hence my comments. I missed nothing but apparently you did. Someone who designed the Forum included the ability to be online anonymously so obviously everyone does not share your opi...

averageguy

Winter has set in. The grass waterways that yielded pointed birds earlier in the season are empty now. The pheasants are flocked up in the heavy cover - Tree Rows, Cattails and Kochia Weed Patches. Close range hens flushed off of points outnumber the roosters by 10:1 or more. A few roosters hold for...

averageguy

Ray G, nailed it. Why do you even concern yourself with it? The site was designed with the feature and some use it. Most on FB these days guard their privacy. So obviously others do not share your opinion. Yea Ezzy, I think age may well be a factor here. Shoot the messenger if you will but I have se...

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As laid out in my Start em Young, thread, I start when they are babies using treats in the yard, tossed while puppy is looking and when they rush over to find the treat in the short grass I am giving my hand signal and saying "Dead, Hunt Dead". Then I move to tossing the treat while the puppy is not...

averageguy

Enjoyed the video, Robert. Sound of the rain, nice dog work, moss covered stone fence, cackling tail wringing rooster busting up and powering away, your accent ... Do you know how old that stone fence is? We have them in the flint hills of KS where pioneers piled them to get them out of the fields t...

averageguy

Photos from our last day of the trip. We hunted a large grassy, waterway slough system that ran 1.5 miles laying between a sunflower field on one side and oat stubble planted back to wheat on the other. Dog went on point in the heavy cover, I went ahead to flush and a couple of hens went up close an...

averageguy

Huns, Chukars and Pheasant. You and your Dog are Blessed to live where you do.

averageguy

Porochi, I laid out my program to building a strong Hunt Dead in my "Start em Young" thread. Has worked very well for me but I also started when they were babies. I think the same approach could still be done with your dog but it would have to be done while training not while hunting to start with b...

averageguy

Ray G, Nice post. You are a consistently classy guy and I appreciate it.

averageguy

polmaise wrote:
averageguy wrote: Believe what you want.
Love seeing pictures of folks dogs mate .
Now, Training a dog in an area with no wild birds ?

I provided some excellent thoughts on the subject, read them, ignore them, comment on them as you choose.

averageguy

Pictures look great ! Thanks for sharing . They look nothing like the same spot though . :wink: I do have a photo of my pup's second find at that same location a week apart. But at the time I did not think ahead that I might need to capture the shrubs in the photo for use in responding to some no v...

averageguy

Ok Heckel and Jeckel, Let me make your day. Got 5 minutes into our hunt this morning and we were headed back to the truck and then an hour to the nearest Vet. Probably heading home in the morning. Seems like you two think you have a real bone to chew on with this silliness of, "where did the trees g...

averageguy

CJ you posted as “proof” of how easy late pheasants are to hunt, your claim your puppies routinely found and pointed limits of them. I simply applied the same set of criteria you used, to Huns which is a bird you hold in much higher regard, which can also be handled by a talented young dog. And were...

averageguy

Ezzy, I think a commenter’s experience with a subject is entirely relevant and useful to share. And the kind of content I would never expect an admin monitor to think they have any need or reason to comment on. So we disagree on that as well.

averageguy

Don't look much like normal Hun cover. What the heck does my post have to do with you having fun and what does the photo of your dog pointing have to do with anything. Sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel bad. I did not say anything about any hunting not being fun. Even dumb birds are fun. You and...

averageguy

I am chuckling at the notion Robert needs you to come to his aid. But ok.

averageguy

Perfectly good question to ask Polmaise ,and abusive feedback is something I will always delete AG. There is no abusive feedback from me here to delete but do as you see fit. Others notice and comment on the heavy handed and uneven admin of this site and it has lead to its severe decline in partici...

averageguy

CJ, This is my dog before he was 2 years old pointing the first Hun he ever smelled. In Montana. The next day my Brother and I shot our limits of Huns over his points. Which went on for several days on that trip. Does my success in hunting them then make Huns Dumb? Here I thought we were having a Ba...

averageguy

Pheasants are the dumbest bird on the planet. Cj Not looking to change your mind or thinking I could. But You are in a mighty small population of folks who would agree with that opinion stated as though it were a fact. I know better. If you steer clear of hunting the pheasants in SD that is one les...

averageguy

I assumed you read your own thread. Its a pretty short read. Guess I was wrong.

No State of "unrest" here. Resting comfortably after another great day of hunting wild birds with my dog. Same plan for tomorrow, and the next ...

averageguy

Yea I know you are in Scotland. Which begs the question what possible need do you have to know which state I live in?

And BTW there are several thousand folks who lurk on this board most of whom do live in the States.

averageguy

One of the more useless threads I have seen. PM someone if you want to know more about them. Not difficult to do. These boards are full of lurking internet scouters who never offer any information and are just reading to get a bird report or info on a public hunting spot. Which is a darn good reason...

averageguy

Although I often hunted HPR's on shooting estate pheasants I also did a great deal of hunting , mainly for pheasants, on the public land within a few miles of my house. The few pheasants living on that land were all wild bred and just one find on them was worth dozens of finds on the easy birds rel...

averageguy

Never moved a bird on our first two drops this morning. 3rd drop was a pair of rabbit ear waterways running through wheat stubble which came together as they approached a gravel road with standing corn on the other side of the road. Wind was blowing from the road out into the wheat stubble, so I dir...

averageguy

Don F - our posts are often similar and we approach the pigeon/launcher work in similar fashion. Works excellent to give a pup a foundation going into its first hunting season. But to get a great wild bird dog requires hunting the dog on wild birds, the more the better. CJ - Late season pressured ro...

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Safe Travels, Happy Hunting.

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