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gundogguy

Kullboys, first, welcome to forum! Please take some time to also introduce yourself in the “A little about you..” thread under new members when you get a chance! I’m sure a lot of people can give you more detailed descriptions of each breed, but the similarities between those two breeds are mainly ...

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Sharon wrote:

off topic : Saw a dog last night where the woman bought a GSP because she wanted a lap dog. Poor dog.

Around the training center here it is often quoted " Nice dog just a shame it did not get to pick it's owner"!

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Heck yay! All sorts of exercises and drills can be run. Temps on this January day in Michigan 18-20f snow depths in the field 20 inches on the level with 3 ft drifts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qvdUMdNEZ8

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Quote …"Bill also "touched" on the contact between Handler and dog (when judged) ...Yup ..No contact what so ever No verbal Heel, No verbal here,No verbal praise or Good Boy ,and Definitely No Touch Praise or correction ..all Non Slip. " end quote. Yep, the above quote from Robert is absolutely cor...

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Here in the states that is very nice. Impressive to say the least. Though in the UK and German it's an every day occurrence.
Ask Polmaise or Trekmore here on this forum.

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That's a good one,Ha! You must wear a "kick me sign"!

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If you did attempt to re-train. How many years of service do you expect to get in return?

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Sounds to me like you might be better served with a flushing dog. Only problem is the flushing dog probably couldn't keep track of you either! I’ve already got one of those. My Lab lives to bust brush. It has been my experience that Pointing type dogs are edge dogs flushing dogs thrive in the thick...

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FC AFC CFC Zeta 1st training session. Done 6yrs ago when she was 14 weeks old. It was the beginning It even has the look of an old silent movie with her as the heroin! Start em young before they learn how to avoid. These are very short vids a quick view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ipwymPm5o H...

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I'll cut to the chase. Go get the dog. Say nothing to the trainer about the fact that you are coming down...just go there and get your dog. Before hunting season starts. As others have said...there is nothing a pro trainer can teach a 5-8 month old puppy that you could not have taught the dog yours...

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RyanDoolittle wrote:That sounds more like a finished dog vs a started dog.

Your probable correct in thinking that. As Robert said "over here" in UK that is, the standards are wee bit higher than here in the states. I might add that the Canadians also have higher standards than the US markets.

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Have no idea what a started Pointer or non-slip retriever is. However a started Springer should be gun proofed, retrieving within close proximity of the handler and have some response to the whistle commands.
Hal

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Something in your original post interested me Veggie. I hadn't realised that in Norway a licence is required before some parts of the countryside can be hunted with a dog. Do the authorities send out someone to check the dog is under good control before giving you the licence ? If not, do you have ...

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I'm right eye dominate. My right eye is the only sight I need. I removed the front bead from my Browning XT years ago. When wing shooting focus on the target not the gun.
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First off, i am not a professional dog trainer. I am a hunter who wants a hunting dog... not a field trial dog. I have a 6 month old Boykin. He is steady, although he no longer likes bumpers but prefers dokken dead fowl brids. He cast with platforms, heels, works to the whistle etc. I am training h...

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My setter is now 3 years old. He has had many birds shot over him in North Dakota, few shot over him here at home as the grouse numbers are down around here and there’s more woodcock found here than grouse lately. I’ve decided that with all the natural ability he had for me to be able to start his ...

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Good stuff,Irishwhistler. I been using the the PB system since the early 1990's. Easy for the dogs and handler to develop just about any behavior you want. A very simple approach to learning and advancing behaviors. The Big Cat trainers have used it for over 100 yrs years to bring Lions Tigers and P...

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Unless you know someone local who has a nice female and likes your dog, your best bet might be to lease a female and go through all the work and expense yourself. Maybe a hunting buddy, or someone at your gun club? This is it! Been there done that instead asking to have some else go through time wo...

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Hunted and trained a numbers of Airedales. Hosted some 20 working weekends around the country for the Airedales parent club and Working committee over a 5yr span.
For the most part soft flushing dogs with serviceable retrieve.

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I am looking to get some birds to keep for training purposes. Can anyone advise where a good place to buy birds is? I am not sure where/how to buy. Are there Amish where you are in Indiana? We've bought barn pigeons from Amish kids for pretty cheap; stop by a farm with a nice loft barn and ask. Or ...

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Ray that breeder has since stopped due to family health issues. I already tried that. Yes I am aware of backyard breeders and craigslist and backpage and all that. I was just simply curious about the cost was all. Maybe I got very lucky before with my previous purchases. I understand about good bre...

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DonF very nice. Nice pic of your pup working! My only comment is it just a shame Setter and Pointer breeders can not put a little more neck on the dogs If they did I'm sure folks could hang another collar on as well!

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Correction and laziness go well to together. I find that the only time I'm using a correction is when a dog gets lazy about a known behavior and try's to short cut the process by being lazy about his work.

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So my dog is casting pretty well and steady to release for bumpers. I have a couple of questions though. I'm trying to incorporate the whistle to get him to stop mid retrieve and cast to another bumper. He's sitting fine on the whistle But when he's running the line, he's too excited to notice the ...

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Jasop ..... I don't think anyone objects to Mr.Higgin's film clips. Personally I think they are often pretty good and are informative. What we do object to is his insistence that his way of doing things is a new "method." Some of it may be but not all of it. The bit I didn't understand is the check...

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crackerd wrote:
Higgins wrote:Now we're gettin' somewhere.
Not so fast, Professor - where's Eliza Doolittle figure into all this pronouncing of the "'Iggins Method?"

MG

I can always count on crackerd for my "hump day' laugh, Good one MG!

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And much of what Higgen's show is what many of us have done for years but once he does it, makes a video, it quickly becomes "Higgin's Method". I will admit there is a Higgins method of explanation of an old time and true method that is little different than common practice with many dog trainers.....

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For those that might still be interested in this thread. Here is the definition of Back-Chaining: "Back chaining in training refers to teaching a dog the last step in a sequence of tricks or commands first, and then working backwards to get to the first step in the sequence. Back chaining is normal...

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JONOV wrote:Frankly, outside of Labs, most dogs don't naturally want to retrieve a dummy more than a couple times...

You don't know Springers or Cocker do you!

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Hey' You have a lot going on and probably require some help .[/quote]

Yea! What he said!

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What? No soup for you! :roll: :roll:[/quote]

seriously? can you use them for soup?[/quote]

Pretty sure that was a reference to Seinfeld.

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Correctomundo! Thousands of birds over years put in freezer without any wings attached.

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SwitchGrassWPG wrote:Save a couple to attach to dummies if you want...throw the rest away.

What? No soup for you! :roll: :roll:

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bustingcover wrote:Pigeons work best. Quail can be a headache and waste of money.

Right-on!Right-on!

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Very Nice!
I always enjoyed "lamping" on my time in the UK! It really gave it some purpose when i knew we were protecting the birds.

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IMHO I would not give .15 cents for a Georgia Giant, Tennessee Red, or a Michigan Humongous unless I was into quail egg potato salad.
And I was in the Game bird business for some 25 yrs.

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Here is an example Hope it helps. This not precision heel work but more than adequate for a shooting dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIvqaU5A8Wc
Hal

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A couple of very short vids Steady dogs in Training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLfDsOJRLxI I have a hard time remembering when I or any of companions shot over running dogs or chasing dogs. No reason to chase if the bird is not down! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrkoRxDk9xQ Thanks again WG!...

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A couple of very short vids Steady dogs in Training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLfDsOJRLxI I have a hard time remembering when I or any of companions shot over running dogs or chasing dogs. No reason to chase if the bird is not down! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrkoRxDk9xQ Thanks again WG!

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All in all a nice video. Walking away has proved successful for years when developing the retrieve. As a shooting instructor and a field trial gun I really do not like seeing ropes attached to the shooter. Would work just as well if you had a wing gun to carry out those duties of gunning. and inhere...

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Just saying, I have seen an awful lot of Field trial wash-outs become excellent shooting dogs, but I have never seen a hunting dog wash-out make Field Champion.

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ezzy333 wrote:When I find fantastic I try to duplicate and not start looking for something different

Right-on! I have had many many dogs at one time I'm their companion and they are mine.

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Setter would be the correct choice in your situation. And I'm a Spaniel man. You might need three Cockers to cover that ground properly. I have trained enough Setters to know the difference between Pointing and Flushing and have even own a two very nice Setters cover dogs that we hunted Grouse and W...

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polmaise wrote:never mind the books .
Mind the dod.
Stick with dummies and shape the behaviour .
It's a baby.

Right-on! Heck the pups teeth have probable not even settled yet. Take your time or else you will have real complaints about the pups training later on when you enter transition.

Hal

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Welsh right on! The OP has a plan all be it heavy on the non-slip Retriever program and light on the Spaniel program. "To everyone else thank you for your help. I’ve got a game plan. Did some reading and started sit on flush today. Just with bumpers of course. I’ll be using the techniques in “hup”. ...

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Hup!........... Lets back up a little bit. Is your dog steady to wing and shot and retrieve on command?? Does the dog have a trained retrieved to hand? Without steadiness to wing shot stopping him on a running bird can really lead to some possible problems. Over use of the collar is not something t...

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Hup!........... Lets back up a little bit. Is your dog steady to wing and shot and retrieve on command?? Does the dog have a trained retrieved to hand? Without steadiness to wing shot stopping him on a running bird can really lead to some possible problems. Over use of the collar is not something th...

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isonychia wrote:I'll admit, this post is more about me than the OPs question, but here it is anyways...

Steadiness is somewhat overrated too (oh boy). .

:roll: :roll: That is funny stuff, so where you come from breaking,chasing, running -in is underrated.

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WC run like crazy from another forum "Anyone else feel this breed of bird is evolving into track stars? I can recall 10 years ago talking about the 1 or 2 a day that ran. Now I bet 75% of our birds run and we relocate 2-5 times before we pin the worm sucker down to force a flush. And what really ama...

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For retrievers Evan Graham is top notch I heartily 2nd that opinion! Evan's Smartworks program will stand the test of time! As for flushing spaniels training there are a few books that have been written over the years though none are outing out standout. Possible Chuck Goodall's work in the complet...

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Pigeons, used them for all breeds. For me the best training was when they are shot and the dog has to develop a no-handle mark and proper delivery.

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Wonderful Bill, Your passion for dogs and their development is inspirational! Not only taking on a rambunctious Lab pup. But still looking to to buy green bananas's Best of fortunes with your new charge..

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