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I would never, ever, consider having a dog that was not force broken and force broken at a young age. There are multiple reasons for this. 1) It sets the training parameters for the dogs entire life, in that the dog must submit to you when commanded. 2) It lays the ground foundation for that animals...

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It really sounds like you don't understand force fetch. If you want help on this forum, you have to tell us exactly how the dog has been trained so far, and exactly what the problem is you're trying to overcome. Specifics.

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Lab's force different than pointing dogs. A very aggressive lab pup you can force easily at 6 months. For the average one, 8-9 months fills the bill. As far as length of session, I always combine obedience with force. First the obedience for 10-15 minutes, then 10-15 minutes of force. You have to ev...

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Describe in detail the problem you're having. We need a little more info to help you.

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this is what he does, the dude will find birds and hold most of the time. I guess the main thing that concerned me is that part of his oval is behind me, but that is never long and he is always back out front. After reading a few things on here and talking with a few folks the hunting pattern is no...

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I agree that eventually the wild birds will educate him. For now, you can also do this drill. Is he whoa broken, at least partially? If so, set him up in the yard on a check cord. Try to borrow some launchers, whoa the dog, and pop first one bird, then another, than another. You're accomplishing thr...

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The check cord doesn't really teach him range control, but what it does do is to teach him hand signals and to work to the whistle. That's the purpose of getting him to quarter; he'll develop his own hunt-search style. I hunt a lot of grouse so you better have a dog that quarters or you won't be get...

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Have you trained the dog on a check cord yet? How old is he?

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My greatest words of advice to you, and no matter what anyone else says, is to never get a rescue dog. Most of the time they are in that situation because they have some problem so severe that the owner is not willing to deal with it. You're limited budget makes it tough. You can get a good pup for ...

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I'm really not impressed with it at all. It doesn't beep, so you have to walk through the fields looking at your reciever. No thanks. Now if they'd combine the Lovett's beep on the reciever with the gps, they'd have something.

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The thing is Thumper, you're going to gain NO experience here that will help you with your next dog. Why? Because you're trying to cure an existing problem that many pro's won't tackle with a dog with none of the traits your next dog will have. You're time could be better spent by simply learnig to ...

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PAHunter wrote:Ezzy,

I think the white comes from Yawallac's pointers!!! In America we can make everything better!

Now that's just cruel. DD'S and GWP's have personalities and intelligence. Everyone knows about yawallac's pointers!

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Thumper; understand a couple of things here. Number one, you haven't told us "how" she is hard mouthed. Hard mouth means different things to different people. Number two; no pill bottle in the world will cure a truely hard mouth dog; they'll eat it. Number three, hard mouth is a problem for a pro to...

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Maybe he's eight weeks old? I wouldn't worry about it. The next thing you know, he'll be busting past you to get out.

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The dog has absolutely no respect for you. A dog has to work with a certain amount of fear; they have to know that if they jerk you around, there will be a consequence. I can't tell you how often this happend when I was training. A person would pick up a dog and expect it to be flawlessly trained an...

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Yawallac wrote:I could tell by your avatar you were a setter man!

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It is to the west of Island Park I believe it is the Old Kilgore rd. I remember a gas station on the east side of 20 and we turned west there. Used to do a lot of elk hunting there in the late 70s early 80s so it has been awhile Silver Sage are you out of Shelley? My folks live there and I may have...

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When you first start to train for it, make sure you're going in cross wind to the silhouette and honoring dog so it can smell the bird and make the association between a rigid dog and a bird. Flush the bird when your dog points. Once the dog will do this reliably downwind, bring it in upwind to it c...

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I missed that Bobm. You have a cattle dog there, not a bird dog. He's supposed to be hardmouthed. Bites cows. Why would you ever think you could make a cow dog a bird dog?

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Any Innotek collar is a piece of garbage. Do yourself a favor, get you deposit back, and get a Tritionics.

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You have a problem that has sent more dogs to the bone yard than any other. Get a pro, a good one, and have him force break the dog. That's the only answer. Have it done right. Next he'll start eating them.

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By walking him in the same field (s) it will instore confidence in the little guy and in a few weeks, he'll range well out in front of you. Never pet him or praise him when he comes back in to you. The shorter the cover, the further he'll range in front of you. Trust us when we tell you that you're ...

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The NAVHDA green book has plans and spec's for one.

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I'm going to wait. The next innovation will be to combine the Lovett style collar that beeps on the transmitter with the gps so you can pinpoint the dog. Now that will be worth waiting for and I'd bet it's right around the corner. Think of it. Now with the Garmin you have to walk through the fields ...

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You're also saying "he". A "he" DD maturea slower than a she DD. He, or she, he's still just wee. Realize also that the DD's don't have as much point in them as some of the other versatiles. Just let him be a baby; he's got the rest of his life to be a dog. Realize also that he's a bird dog and bird...

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If the drills are short and tough, they love them as long as you teach without punishment. Try her on a five and then an eight line wheel and they are always short, about 20 yards or even a little less. Dogs thrive on challenge and reward and this will continue for her entire life. Keep it interesti...

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I decided to make a hybrid ladder drill/T-Drill. I had 3 bumpers in in a straight line going towards a back pile with 6 bumpers in it. I figured this would force her to run straight lines all the way back to the back pile. She did great for the initial 3 bumpers and the 4th (which was a run from st...

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You have created a "Hot Spot" for her. What she is doing is flaring the line because that is where she is given the correction. She is "running around" the "hot spot" she was corrected at. Try this: Walk her out to nearly the end of the line where she has to run straight and send her from there. Wor...

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I'd give the dog the benefit of the doubt. You said the bumper's hard to see. Maybe she isn't seeing it? I've never liked ladder drills. I've always liked a dog to go flat out until I tell them to stop. However, I would not nick her and bring her in to the dummy. You're SURE to run into popping prob...

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Heck of an offer by snips; I'd take her up on it.

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It is a personal preference. The dog doesn't have to sit. I, and many others, do teach sit because my dogs work from a duck blind and live in the house. It is strictly your choice though, no right, no wrong.

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That's a pretty little lady.

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Here's that topic so many of us can't agree on; whether or not a pointing dog should sit. I use my Draht for duck hunting so she dang well better sit in and out of a blind. What it add's is one more step to your training Stumpy. Now, it's very rare I've had a dog sit in the field when they're pointi...

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I think it's one of those books with a bunch of big long words I don't understand and a bunch of theories I don't believe or believe in. I believe these guys are advocating that a dog can be totally trained with no force of any type. From the dog's I've had, they'd die of old age before they were tr...

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It's fine to let him drag it, however then you're at risk of being tempted to give a command you can't enforce. That's a pretty long cc you have that little fella dragging. I usually use about 30' and sure as heck, you're faster than this old man is!!

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Goosehunterdog wrote:I would re-enforce with the e-collar while still on the check cord.

An absolute must or you could create a "bolter". Never lose control of your dog.

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Stumpy; don't let him off the lead until he responds to each and every whistly 100% of the time. When he's PERFECT, switch him to the collar. Get some good advice first.

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CZ side by sides have no cast at all. I just got a 20 Bobwhite before the price went up and it's got to be the best buy on the market at that price. I'm also right handed but shoot left. The Triggers are the only thing that may take you a while to get used to. I assume you're asking about the sxs an...

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Should be fine then, just a pain in the but changing plugs. Always remember "Too little is better than too much".

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One thing caught my attention Stump. You said "old tritronics collar". If it is not variable intensity, do not use it. Sell it or trade it in at collar clinic when you can afford to.

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IMO you should not be moving forward with your FF training until the dog will open it's mouth freely as well as accepting your command to release like building a house foundation,cap,walls,roof,etc. And I would never allow a dog to just open his mouth freely and let an object merely rollout with th...

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What the collar has done GR is to eliminate a step we used to use called the "stick fetch". Many retriever trainers still do use it. After the dog was picking up from the ground, the stick was introduced; a dog was tapped on the flank and told fetch. That was a way to get a retriever out of the box ...

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Don; when a dog is fetched the way I do it, "fetch" always is a moving command. It means move somewhere and get something in your mouth. I later swith tO "back" when I'm working lines with them. GR "Drop" is not done with the ear. Initially, the jowls are pinched to make the dog open his mouth. When...

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Here's my take on hold Don. When I was training, I usually got all of the high problem dogs; many of these were mouth related. What I learned was that the only way I could reliably control the movement of the jaw's was with the "hold" command. Whenever they dared move a jaw they got thwacked on the ...

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Are you training him just to come?

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Here's Lani. Look like sisters.

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The "Green Book" is a good book. Keep these things in mind as you start, and bear with me, I can't exactly remember what their recommendations are. When you start by pinching his upper jowls and saying "fetch", make sure you clear the jowls so he doesn't bite himself. When he is holding the dowel, m...

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Hey Don, I'll bet that even looks like your dog training truck!!!!!!!

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Hey gonehuntin, I tried that slingshot and marble trick. Probally would have worked but I'd have needed to launch a handgrenade! As for shooting them in the eye, why would you shoot a marble at a dog comming at you? I'd be more worried about hitting hin in the nads and ruining the breeding possibil...

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Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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