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Dave Quindt

Section 2.1
http://www.fci.be/nomenclatures_detail. ... ile=group7

Also, the UKC defines the breed as the English Pointer:
http://www.ukcdogs.com/RegBreedGroups.htm

NSTRA defines the breed as the English Pointer as well. They are not a registry, yet.

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50 lbs for a 12 month old field-bred (I assume) female GSP is on the high side of average, IMO. Based on the photos she doesn't appear to be underweight at all; doesn't even look like the rear ribs are showing but photos can be deceiving. Her height and weight look proportional. What's the breeding ...

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Tracy wrote:

You can participate in any event EXCEPT conformation, with an ILP dog.

Tracy, you can't compete in AKC field trials with an ILP. Hunt tests? Yes. Field Trials? No.

FYI,
Dave

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The trial that Brenda rode was the GSPCA Eastern Classic. Here's the link to info from the AKC site: http://www.akc.org/events/search/index.cfm?action=plan&event_number=2006149801 An AKC Classic is a "special" AKC trial; a step above a weekend trial. The host club is not a local club per se, but the...

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Tracey, It's fairly tight; the COI is 16.7%. Oddly enough, you could take a female pup out of that litter and breed it to a male out of Cecil (Windrow's Saddle Tramp) and an unrelated female and not increase the inbreeding coefficient. Most would assume that it would take you off the charts but it r...

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Here's an example of a linebred litter.

Sorry for the slighty blurry text - still working out the details.

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I'll post more later but........ From a genetics standpoint, there is no difference between linebreeding and inbreeding. "Inbreeding" has a negative association so folks developed the term "linebreeding" to mean a weaker form of inbreeding. You talk to the genetics folks and you never hear the term ...

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In short, the answer is yes - dogs that check back are not going to win. Here's why: Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing. I'll assume the post on the other board was talking about licensed, broke dog (AF or AKC) field trials. The purpose of a field trial is NOT to perfectly mimic hunt...

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Everybody has a different defenition of what is broke and what is not broke. Some say a broke dog is one that will point till you flush, some say it is one that is steady to wing, and shot. Some say it needs to be wing, shot and fall. Not too sure about that. When you hear "broke dog stakes" I don'...

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For me, it would me the MH. When it comes to breeding hunting dogs, especially those of us looking for performance-quality breedings, one of the most important traits is trainability and stability. A MH titled dog is one that's fully steady, and has proven that he can retain his training. That's som...

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Just an addition to John's post.......... The important thing to understand is to turn your body the direction you want to go and go that way BEFORE calling to the dog. Dogs pay attention to physical cues more than verbal cues - the exact opposite of humans. Pup's natural instinct is to run "forward...

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I spent 5 years in NAVHDA before I moved onto other things, including walking trials. If you are interested in being "politically correct" for NAVHDA, then yes field trials are not in YOUR best interest. If your goal is to become a judge, your experience in other venues won't help things. Hunt tests...

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The dogs tested in the NADKC are registered with the FCI and must meet specific criteria for breeding. Dogs registered solely with the AKC are not eligible to test in DKV or JGHV tests. (Dave Quinct, there is no need to bring up Anngie or Brandy, they were allowed for a specific purpose which is no...

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Here's another interesting looking DK for you. According to the Germans, he's as pure as can be. Proven too: D1,S1, VGP 1,Btr,Vbr, HN If he was on the string of an American Field Trialer most of you would laugh and decry the obvious crossbreeding :roll: FWIW, Dave http://www.hunt101.com/img/330606.J...

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Snips wrote: I am trying to figure out how a dog can consistantly run foreward when I am walking and not loose them. ??? If my dog is running foreward all the time I better be on a 4-wheeler or horse, because he`ll be gone. Brenda, When you hunt, do you allow your dogs to backcast? Do you allow your...

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Margaret wrote: The next that I know of would be Axel v. Wasserschling, used so much for his prepotency in producing such good progeny that it apparently became difficult to find a line free of his influence. Its not that hard; most of the field lines in the US DON'T go back to him at all. Other tha...

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There has been talk of a Master Hunter Excellent (MHX) title or a Master National event for quite some time. I have serious doubts of the likelyhood of either happening in the near future for a variety of reasons. In every conversation that I've had with an AKC rep, including one I had a month ago w...

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Wagonmaster wrote: We talked at one point about coat color in this thread. I was just at a friend's over the weekend, and was thumbing through a really excellent and well researched book called Der Deutsche Kurzhaar, by Georgina Byrne. Among other interesting things, the book says that Hermann Goeri...

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Phil wrote: I do like watching the AA dog, but wouldn’t own one let alone hunt with it. Why not? Any good AA dog with something between the ears knows the difference between trialing and hunting anyway. I've never heard a trialer claim their dogs consistently hang at a mile off of foot. Larue isn't ...

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Addict, All the different formats are fun, and all have both good and bad aspects to them. None are perfect, and each have their own strengths and weaknesses. I've played NAVHDA, AKC hunt tests and AKC/AF field trials (both walking and horseback). I've not played NSTRA, but have seen a ton of it and...

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John, I know about the Lake Superior trial. The problem is that trial is on the same weekend as the big GSPC of Nebraska trial at Branched Oaks. The week before the Nebraska trial was the Chicken Championship, so every one would run the CH then drive to Lincoln for the big (like 300 entry) AKC trial...

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In my experience, the range difference between regions in championship quality dogs is minimal, at best. The GD/SDs from the east all go to Booneville, the All Breed and Eureka and are as competitive as any other dog. The AA dogs we see out of that region are competitive in AA stakes as well. Its th...

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David, IMO, you'd be better off not dealing with any books or videos. Here's why. Take that Rick Smith video you mention. What happens if 3 months after that video hits the market, Rick finds a better way of training a certain task? He can't issue a "correction"; in a lot of ways he's stuck with wha...

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What do you guys think of FC/AFC Dunfur's PFK Blown Income. Sure looks like good looking dog. Anybody seen him run and seen him in person. What's conformation like? Robert, I've seen Peeler a couple of times at Eureka. Nice horseback gundog; not going to blow the doors off the joint, but he's a pur...

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Wagonmaster wrote Some points. Quote: You're quoting a Miller pedigree? Once they get enough generations of DNA on those dogs to prove what they claim, I'll start to pay attention. The pointer boys have never been too focused on keeping the paper and the dogs in order. Unfortunately, the same thing ...

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Larue wrote dave, I agree with you on buddy/morticia produceing great dogs such as ben,but what about rexx/morticia? hunter the dog you spoke of is an example.How does the fact that morticia bred to rexx also produced some outstanding dogs affect the mix.It is interesting to wonder if morticia herse...

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This is a continuation of a discussion that came out of the "DK/GSP difference thread". I wanted this discussion to stand on its own, because I wanted to get some input from others on the board. Dave Gowdey wrote, in response to my post here: http://www.gundogforum.com./forum/viewtopic.php?t=1545&po...

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John,

Slick didn't win the AA in '02, Mert did. And yes, Jane was the only placement in '01.

Dave

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Wagonmaster wrote: Ch. Miller's Chief is the one that jumps to mind and the most well known example, was line bred Miller's Happy Choice or Riggins White Knight (sire of Miller's Happy Choice), take your "choice." You're quoting a Miller pedigree? Once they get enough generations of DNA on those dog...

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Dennis/John, As to Dennis' Gracie dog, you obviously have the half-brother x half-sister breeding on Cecil. That's a linebreeding that if done right you can usually take to the bank all on its own. There's a strong linebreed on Dude in Brandy but it gets pushed back too far once you get to Gracie. S...

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Dennis wrote: dave a couple of thoughts on your post.First off I would hesitate to call hunter a line bred rusty dog.Rusty shows up twice in his pedigree once on each side with rusty being a grandfather on rex's side,and a great grandfather on morticia's side. Dennis, when you look at the genetic co...

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Kevin wrote: Dave, THERE CAN NOT BE ONE SINGLE AMERICAN GSP IN THE PEDIGREE ANYWHERE, IF THERE IS IT IS NOT A DK. And yes, I'm sure. You sound pretty sure. Wanna put your money where you mouth is? How about a brand new TriTronics Pro 500 G2 collar to whoever is right? Naw, I can't do this! It's like...

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John, Rusty certainly is the "Big Dog" when it comes to producing AKC Field Champions. When you start talking about producing national champions, and start comparing Rusty to his peers, you see a different picture. I disagree though with your suggestion that this isn't worth debating much. How we ju...

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Kurzhaar wrote:

Can't infuse an AKC dog into the DKV.

You sure about that?

So every dog in every DK pedigree is a DK?

There are NO DKs with American blood in them?

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Kevin wrote: This is not possible, well it is possible but the dogs could never be registered with the DKV. Therefor they would not be DK's, and the kennel you mentioned cannot only be doing the DK thing. Are you sure? Are you REALLY sure? Are you 100% sure? You might want to consult with your fello...

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Dave Gowdey wrote: If my response surprised you, I suspect you may be fairly new to the breed. The battle between the traditional GSP folks and the horseback trial folks is as bitter as anything gets in the dog world, and the war has been raging since the 1970s. A LOT of old time GSP folks feel exac...

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Wagonmaster wrote: Would not compare FDSB wins to production of FC's. Rusty's rating is based on production of FC's, at least that is the way I understand it. An FDSB "win" is different from the use of that terminology in AKC. In AKC we tend to say that the first place dog has the "win." John, both ...

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Wagonmaster wrote: The number one prepotent GSP stud dog of all time by far was FC Dixieland's Rusty, and he never won a National Championship. I have read that he sired more titled dogs than any other dog of any kind in the AKC, trial or show or anything else John, Did you really mean "prolific" in...

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John, Your list is pretty good, and yes Ben and Magnum (along with Flash) should be on it. The other dog I'd add is Dunfur's Latest Edition, the only GSP alive to have won a FDSB pointer/setter championship. Hunter is quite possibly the bigest going dog we've got in the breed right now. Those are pr...

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Dennis, I agree with you - go back and look at my original post. Top 10 lists don't tell the whole story. You have to look at the dog's career in total. When and where was he run, under what conditions and against what competition. There will never be a scoring system that can reflect that data. Ben...

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Genetics are another story.....Out of all the breeds the AKC chose to map for marker specificity, four were not able to be determined. One of them was the American GSP. I wonder why? The DNA breed marker study WAS able to indentify GSPs, just not to the 99% accuracy target for the computer software...

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The important thing to remember is that there isn't one "Dog of the Year" title that trumps all the rest. Its the nature of the beast, when dealing with a breed that competes in multiple organizations. Heck, we have 3 different National Championships for GSPs alone. For many decades, field trialing ...

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Steve, You may end up regretting asking the question, but here goes………. “Dog of the Year” in the GSP world is pretty similar to “#1 ranked NCAA football team”. We have the same problems as the NCAA does (especially pre-BCS); there are more than one group that awards such a title. The GSPCA awards a ...

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