Gun Dog Forum

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvmM6zoPGGI

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Yes I recall you had mentioned your situation did not allow you to work with the pup at this time. Someone working with your pup is far better than no one assuming the proper approach. A Pro only having one dog is rare. Out of necessity they are geared towards maximum efficiency in both occupancy an...

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The key point was taking a 5 month old pup to a pro trainer. Not that a 5 month old pup should not be trained. Only when an owner is not able and willing to work with a puppy would I advocate taking it to a trainer at that young age. I work with my 14 week old pup in very short bursts 4 or 5 times a...

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I don't think she's release shy, definitely not gunshy or tractor shy...rides all the time. Grass is tall so she can't see quail size release. I'm sure I could use pheasant size releases now. She pointed pretty quick today so not going too far into the scent cone. I just think she wants to see the ...

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Hey Fonzie et al,

Check out this SharpShooter Line GSP and set your sights for your dog's performance high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjIGhTcK4LI

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Its difficult to tell when they're hunting and when they're honing in cause she knows to head into the wind. For a little 32lb setter, she's got a lot of drive/plow. I guess if I have any question about it, release bird. That'll pay off by backing her off bird eventually. Question : why does she si...

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Reading your post and hearing you have watched the Perfect Start DVD, I kinda think you know what the problem is here. You have been letting the pup road in on the scent cone towards the launcher until it pointed vs launching the bird the moment the pup indicates it smells the bird. The value of lau...

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Not sure if I'm too late but if you can look for Dr. Dale Hubbard on youtube. I used his technique (1st teach place with treats, retrieve to place, then to hand, then teach hold, etc). My llewelin pup now loves to blind retrieve, teaching her lh & rh retrieves now, luvs fun retrieves obviously, ret...

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Every breeder needs an outcross along the way. But what do they do immediately following? If they had a good genetic line to begin with they go right back to breeding the best dogs resulting from the outcross back into the original line bred dogs. Key is to know when an outcross is beneficial vs har...

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Well I guess since you sent me a PM with the real backstory on this some time ago I will go ahead and let the cat out of the bag. You bred your GSPs to one of the most sought after (then and now) lines of GSPs around. Some bad bites showed up in your line and you blame that Breeder for it. You then ...

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Fonzie, Here is the last drill we ran yesterday. A blind retrieve run in cover where we also hunt wild birds during the open seasons. The dog's line coming back is not straight because he working around the locust tree sprouts that are common in the area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbDD5DefUSQ ...

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Ray G, Texas has one million acres of land open to public hunting. Iowa has 400,000 by comparison. Texas is one of the most game rich states in NA. Day hunting on private land is widely available for prices that are well less than one will spend at released bird operation or an NFL football game. OK...

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FF, I have seen hundreds of those GSPs lines of dogs in training and testing, have hunted over quite a few, have numerous Friends who are wildly successful breeding, training, hunting, trialing and testing those lines of GSPs I mentioned. GSP is arguably the strongest main stream breed of pointing g...

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RayG, My generic caution to anyone I am speaking with is to observe and sort through the people you choose to listen to no matter what the dog venue you are at. It is pretty easy to get bad advice and you have to know something in order to know it is bad advice is the challenge in that. How a person...

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Tenderfoot, An excellent in depth read on this subject is contained in Bob Farris (world famous breeder of Pudelpointers) recent book Breeding & Training Versatile Hunting Dogs For Hunting & Tests. His Cedarwoods line of Pudelpointers is known by all with any knowledge of that breed, and similar bre...

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Performance Dogs of all types, Performance Horses of all types, Beef Cattle, Dairy Cattle, Hogs all beg to differ with your claims against line breeding. Hans Wagner's Nightrider B&Ts, Bill Turpins Redbones, John Houses Walkers, Jon Plott's Plott Curs, Richard McDuffie's Leopard Curs, Dave Dean's No...

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I live in the MW, from here West NAVHDA is increasingly made up of hard core wild bird hunters. My breed is GWPs. It is not by accident that my pups have all come from Idaho, Oregon and Montana. The NAVHDA GWPs out west are bred for far more range, run and style than the east coast dogs are (on the ...

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NAVHDA's handler-dominant show-ish concept attracts a certain clientele. I guess it depends on what you aspire for your GSP. I think Shags has you pointed in the right direction. NAVDHA attracts hard core wild bird hunters for the most part, especially in the States which have wild birds to hunt.

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Well, I learned something for sure Averageguy. Obviously, DD breed-lines/genetics are not that familiar to me. I have worked with them but do not have enough of a personal interest in the breed to delve into the German mantra because like most of these concepts, they are as effective of the PEOPLE ...

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Polmaise, you are spot on! Today, too many of the breeders are blinded by $$$$$. To say that breeders do not breed for a profit is as much a lie. I'm not here to judge. Here is a good one to make a point re breeder integrity. I know of a DD breeder not that far from "here". As many know here, DDs a...

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Fonzie , Following on Don F's posts, You can see a Hallway and an outdoor Tunnel setup being used to condition retrieving on my current puppy in my New Pup thread. Perhaps you have a wall where you could setup something similar. I have been using them successfully for decades now. Without seeing you...

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The real issue is not all dogs with titles are great and all dogs without titles are not poor or even average. Many an excellent bird dog has never been in a hunt test or a trial. Knowing as much as possible about the Sire and Dam goes a long ways towards getting a puppy that has good odds to suit y...

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CJ, I do not know what you are finding to argue about or fault in my post. Never did I say line breeding can be carried on to infinity without problems or the need to outcross at some point. Of course outcrossing will be needed at some point, but the best breeders do it only when forced to as it ten...

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You have been given good advice but it would take a whole lot of typing to cover this sufficiently. Buy yourself some hands on help from a good trainer to train you on how to train your dog. Will be the best money you ever spent. Joining a local Obedience training group would go a long ways in that ...

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All the great lines of dogs have come about from tight breeding practices. As noted, it produces some dogs which must be culled and now days most people have difficulty with that. Culling from future breeding use is easy, but if the dog is not useable for its intended purpose that can cause a lot of...

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I have been studying the new Gun Acclimation DVD from Perfection Kennel the past two days. It is way down the road improved from what is shown in the Perfect Start DVD and worthwhile to all no matter how many dogs you have worked before. I have never raised a gun shy pup but I will be going about it...

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I watched it with interest. Thanks for posting. I imagine those little deer are very tasty as well. Like a big rabbit maybe?

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Veggie, Your last post gives me optimism things will work out fine for you and your pup. Some training materials would be beneficial and several have been recommended. I have spent 4 hours over the last two days studying some DVDs and I trained my first dog 50 years ago. I continue to learn new thin...

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Using properly presented training birds vs wild birds is not an either or proposition for me. It is both. As Don F posted, it is impossible to control wild birds and that is the purpose and benefit of using training birds. The video I posted in my new pup thread earlier in the week shows me exposing...

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Thank You All. Credit to his Breeder, I am just the lucky guy following him to the birds.

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Take some video of the pup working birds and post it and folks will be able to provide better advise. An 8 month old pup leaving a bird it knows is there and returning to the handler is a serious problem.

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Pretty Pup!

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I have also noticed many times my dogs bounding in heavy CRP cover towards where a crippled rooster fell, stop and listening for the running bird,then running to the rustling sound of the escaping bird before beginning their nose work. Just like any successful predator they use the whole package.

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After working with the pup, I took Spud for a run yesterday. 3 woodcock finds, treed on a den tree and then we ran this cold blind. Point, Track and Retrieve all in one 45 minute run. I never pinched this dog's ear. Had no need to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwRlwQ0pr6U Starts here. https://www...

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Yep you got the title correct.

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My View from my Recliner last evening prompted me to grab a camera so I could share it.

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It depends on the cover being hunted how much I look at my transmitter. The watches are nice and much easier to take a quick glance at. More money required of course, but I have never heard of anyone regretting getting one.

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I'm with Averageguy. NO bell! As for the impact on birds of a bell versus no bell, my experience in hunting most all of the wild birds I've hunted including game farm pheasants, is that it's always advantageous to hunt as quietly as you possibly can. Beyond that I find bells intrusive, often give m...

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Interesting for sure . I saw it being used and it kind of intrigued me . In the past I have worked recall with treats to start. My niece being much younger and getting into obedience and the agility game when asked claimed she has used it with good results. It makes sense to me and I also read some...

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Averageguy' I hope this is not seen as hi-jacking your thread ,but adding continuation of it 'we could all use a laugh' . This video was a few years ago ,when an apprentice was filming me in training with a young dog at the stage of where it had been introduced to stop on a shot and stop on a simul...

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Max2, This is my second pup since picking up a clicker, and yes I find a lot of benefit in the approach with young puppies. The same approach can be used with a Marker Word vs using the clicker. I do both, eventually weaning off the clicker to the Marker Word and then off of treats. But I can always...

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FF,

Ole Spud hard mouths mine so bad I have yet to have one fit to eat.

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Beautiful photos!

Thanks for sharing and Good on You for donating your impressive Talents to a Cause that affects us all.

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I have gotten excellent service from Tri-Tronics and now Garmin for decades. Using a 550 Plus now with mini TT-15 collars and like em both. Going to add the Instinct Watch next. Have used my 550 Plus extensively in many different states and terrains, it has performed as designed in all of them. It h...

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