Gun Dog Forum

tailcrackin

I see what you are saying a little better now, I thought, or felt you were discussing this particular dogs age as being a "bad thing." Alot of people that havent messed with this breed of dog, think they act an grow like the other breeds, and they dont, or at least most of them dont. They mature ver...

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Nah, not really Bigshooter, these dogs (weims) usually as a house rule, mature really slow, alot of times slower than a vizsla. This will be his/her advantage. These dogs dont get mentally ready till a later age. Now, some are different than others, this is only a possible with most in the bred. I h...

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can you tell me how the dog figures out the trap is a man made gimmick that is being controlled by man The sound, smell, and exspecially the timing on the release.....even the vision of the dog and seing the black box. it must also figure out that the only thing stopping the chase with the check co...

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The dog wont go soft on point if it stays on its table, along with handlers mouth being shut. It is all the dogs options on how it wants to handle this situation. The dog isnt gonna ever hunt in the yard why work it there, help it learn in the field, teach it once instaed of twice or more. The simpl...

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But here is where the training aspect for the fix is getting missed. First of all there isnt much reason why dogs arent pointing, at whatever age. Now, with one that isnt, the traps arent good for it, because it is a man made gimmick in the dogs eyes, that is controlled by man. When a dog isnt point...

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So, if you have good flying birds, why do you feel you need to work the dog with launchers. The main reason why a dog doesnt point, is because an over abundance of chase is, or has been allowed, so in the dogs world, why point when I dont have to, I am gonna get to chase here in a bit anyway. Put a ...

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Dog needs to learn how on its table, not ours. Launchers and gimmicks at this point wont do a thing but help the dog learn that dad is controlling the birds actions. You start making this dog cautious, and we will be chiming in helping him figure out why the dog might be flagging........or getting s...

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Ok Marc, now how steady is she, or what is her way of doing things with game at all times, I want her actions after the flush, or during. This is gonna be a major key of info. I know what you said on her tail actions, now let me, and us know what her body is doing, is she helping flush or standing t...

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A lot of dogs will flag on running phez Ok, good post or door opener for "things to think on." So, in saying that sentence right there. With this dog, or any dog that gets loose on things we will say a running phez...........why is this happening? My thoughts off top of head, say weak scent...........

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Everything with dogs happen for a reason, yes sometimes is in the blood or the gene pool.........but most times it is operator error. Taking to long for things to unfold, making the dog stand to long, talking alot while the dog is doing its job, there are alot of things, to take the focus or confide...

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There isnt a method that will work better than others, I dont feel. Or within reason, the biggest thing with a fix, or a gun fix is patience. I would work with birds, but its not gonna be what you do, but how you do, along with when you do. Maurices dvd is good, and you will learn alot, or could, wi...

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If he likes birds as you say, use a bird or two. If he also does really well with these on land then start slow and work into the water. You want to rty and find a shallow shoulder or something where the water is shallow enough for its feet to touch, but the bottom doesnt blow out from under him. Yo...

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Ruff, will pm ya, to much wanting to argue going on. Thanks Jonesy

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It is not what you do, but how you do. Launchers are controlled by our touch. You cant blame the launcher for being released to early, or to late. What I get to fix with these style of situations, is the dogs that people that worry to much on snapping pictures, and not on working dogs. If that didnt...

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When I have a new dog, or working on young dogs that come for how ever long a time line. One of the most easiest things to build is confidence. I say this, because we (you & I) put the dogs in situations, that are learnable, and successful.....buy the dog. Patience, will always pay off at whatever l...

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sometimes a young dog "loses" its brain Very good way to think on things with alot of "young dog" circumstances. The non pointing on grouse makes me feel, the grouse wont stand for the dogs actions, of wanting to possibly crowd or "see how close I can get" woodcock, it doesnt add up on, in my thoug...

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The ecollar work should be treated as an extension of the check cord. Get them doing things first with the check cord, and as everything startes coming together, slowly start allowing a bit of freedom, and let them drag the cord, but keep the questions and trust the same. Also, everytime the dog is ...

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Anyone have any experience with these, I bought one for my son, and am having ejection problems with the shells, after its shot. Everything is needing to be done manually. At the start was using light load peice, and shooting dove loads, shot twice and both times the cimp section of the spent shell,...

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Cool, this is where things will be shown to you, either good or bad. I dont like the traps, because they learn it is a man made assistance. When the bird is in sight or scent with no added extras, its all on the dogs table, its only their desicion how and why to do things. Hope it all works out ok f...

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What does she do when its a loose bird? And no launchers? Thanks Jonesy

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charlie you can swap things around when the non pointing issue is fixed. Meaning once he/she starts doing things correctly....with pointing, you can strat re allowing the chase, myself, I would do a few carded birds, and allow him the point....then flush.....and then the delayed chase, allowing him ...

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I have helped two or thre on this with advice on what and how, would prolly be in page 2-4 I guess. I dont know if you can look at my profile and see my posts, that could help lead you to were you need to be. The non pointing isnt a bad thing, and its not uncommon. Its life with a dog. Wild pigeons ...

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trying to get some info to hep you, on a trainer in colorado, that I know of, that is a real good hand, just waiting on an email with his info for you, havent forgot ya!! promise. Thanks Jonesy

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None of the stuff you feel that might be negatives, really are. At 3 and nothing done, still treat it like a pup, and start with things short and simple. Dont do an over abundance of things with birds, you could sour things up a little, or get them to much outta whack. Where are ya located? You can ...

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Well, how'd things go? Thanks Jonesy

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Sounds like verbal, or physical pressure. What does he do if you kill him a bird, is he steady for that? Alot of times adding the shotgun shot, or kill, will get them to stand on tip toes. I would quit doing what caused him to let down. You might even be able to walk back to him, without saying a wo...

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No sir, no sir, you are just as equal as me, I dont want this particular dog doing anything negative, the crowding and stuff can be worked on later. The traps used while not pointing, wont allow the dog to learn that its all his fault. The crowding and that stuff is later in the program. Please dont...

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When bringing your dog in cross wind from 10 yards or so away, you will see the dog turn and go towards the scent (launcher) If he does not stop with in a couple steps of you knowing for sure he smelled the bird, pop the bird. This changes the tables on the dog, and makes it man made....why I say, ...

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You wanna watch or be careful on what you do, and how you do things with a young dog........exspecially a young viz. They will not forgive, or forget. Traps and non pointing might work, but wont allow the dog to learn its way. Will usually fall apart later down the road. Whoaing could cause it to fo...

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The biggest factor on this fix, is the breed. Things will or could take a touch longer with the viz breed, they mature alot slower than normal. So allow time for understanding on things to develope. I would try and get the dog good an excited on the desire before shooting. You get in a hurry with th...

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That would be great, love to have you, or your family, everyone is welcome at my house. Pm me some details, and we will get something figured out. Jimbo&Rooster came out last wed. morn, had some awful weather going on, but we got some dog work done in between the rain, and really had a great time. W...

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Well here is what I have learned with dog that have this issue, its not that hard of fix, you just change the ways of thinking a little....for now. I dont know where the force stuff came about in the topic, the way I will explain things isnt force at all, it is done with everything on the dogs table...

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Prairiebuster, welcome. Usually Miller blood doesnt do alot of quirky stuff, it is alot of times, stout an pretty sensible. Dogwork is pretty simple if you allow it to be, myself, I dont believe in alot of gimmicks or accessories in fixing or straightening things out in the dogs mind. The key is sta...

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There is a time and place for everything we do with dogs. Everything we do today should benefit us tomorrow. It sounds like continueing things to the field, will help alot, or prevent confusion. Myself, I do very little at the house. I would rather teach once than 3 or 4 times. It will probably make...

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Jim if the dog isnt pointing, you will be better off, for right now, without launchers. The wild caught uncarded birds work very well for this, they will not take people pressure or dog pressure. You give the dog enough checkcord, to bump the bird, but dont let the dog chase anymore. It will start p...

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confidence building. Those are two great words. "Everything a dog does, is for a reason....wether or not positive, or negative, it is for a reason." Myself, I wont stand for the breeding crutch, without trying or doing some other things first. I havent heard anything back on the bird stuff. Alot of...

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How does she do with birds? Or what have you done with her and birds together? You can pm me if you would like, I will get a better feel of things with this added info. If a dog likes birds, you can work it, if she has no experience with birds, this will be the start of pulling her outta the shell, ...

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I only try and chime in when I have direct, hands-on, experience. That is a very good post, along with the rest of your replies, I thank you for what you have said, and commented on and with. The style in this way of fixing the situation, again doent have anything to do with how ya fix it. Whoa stu...

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It will help her decide what and why, meaning you somewhat have control on her but not in what she decides to do. That make sense........you are giving her the option to test the waters......she thinks she knows more than you and wants to rip it outta there....walk over an tap her, let her do it.......

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Agree with no launchers, loose birds and I would prolly do one for a start. This will tell you more on her, than a bunch of, or a couple of. Thanks Jonesy

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Here is what sounds like a sorta.....sounds to me like she is wanting to rip the bird outta there. But she knows she cant, or will be in trouble. Take and if your foundation is set with her, and she understands what and why on her corrections, for movement........set it up to let her take it out.......

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You wont see videos like that because we dont, and wont advise to do it with a puppy. That is why I commented on your video. You put the video out there for the public to see, and people should be strong enough to voice an opinion. I did, because your dog showed alot if ya look into it. Your dogs ac...

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There is another place on west style, this is a site that started lil while ago. There is a write up a frind of mine done outta ohio. He went and worked dogs at Maurices for the weekend, and wrote this lil pamphlet, that I thought was perfect at the time. Pretty short, simple, easy to understand, an...

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Amen on the p'ing matches, I am man enough to say I am sorry, and will be proud to do it publically. I am sorry. After this reply of yours, I now see what you mean on your pics, and helping show what an why. I didnt take it that way, and I apologize. Ridge point, Maurice has a write up he done with ...

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Birddog1968 , your pictures have not got anything to do with the non pointing issues on this topic, or I guess they do, your dog looks nice posing in the woods, and looks nice posing while being ff. No p'ing match now I hope. The work can be done any style that you want to do it with. I have no dog ...

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I work dogs with what works for me. The video hasnt got a thing to do with helping a dog point, and it shows how mentally ready that dog is, or was, for the whoa work. Myself, I dont teach it, I do things that allows the dog to figure out that the bird is whoa. You put a dog in a successful environm...

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Videos will tell a person alot. I do not want this to feel as I am pointing fingers or trying to stir contraversy, I am not attempting or trying to do in way, shape, or form. I will advise on lookers to what your watching an how it doesnt have anything to do with this style or reasoning of the fix. ...

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Bird needs to be loose, because if your timing is off, the dog is still in a not learning mode. He/she will figure out that dad has control an it will do what it can to play with, and in the situation. Traps will kick in lil bit later, for now get the dog doing things on its own. It wont figure thin...

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A checkcord on that dogs neck, will help you. Its way of doing things right now, isnt doing anything to help you or the dog...so the dog is being independent, and doing what it wants, because it can. Your mouth, and the ecollar are crutches in this situation with dogs. There isnt any need in shockin...

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I would take either, because they will teach you about dogs and working them. Thanks Jonesy

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