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Gentlemen,
Maybe they should rename this forum, the GSP forum, might be more fitting.
RGD/Dave

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Sproulman, Come hunt with us in Potter County this next season, you are welcome any time. AH GSP, Beautiful pictures sir, congrats on a fine Grouse hunt, now you need to get rid of that stack BBl gun, get out of the dark side son, and Grouse hunt with a fine old SXS double gun. I love good GSP gun d...

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Stump, NJ GSP said the magic words, 16 Gauge is the gun you want to hunt upland game with most of the time. Look around for a good old Fox or L.C. Smith 16 Gauge double gun. Hits like a 12, carries like a 20. Pick up a 20 gauge later on. You can have great 16 Gauge shells delivered right to your doo...

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Clay, For Grouse hunting most places in the TN mountains I would stick with the 28" or 26" BBl length, choked IC on your 870, you should be fine. We have an old Win M12 here that is set up in a similar manner, the young guys and the ladies love the gun cause its light to carry and puts the birds dow...

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Willie, Great to hear you got the dog back, I know how you feel about giving advise to another man, however I now make sure everyone checks their collars before we go out, can't see messing up everyones day because a man makes mistakes. Been doing this to long now to look for dogs, we have way to ma...

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Gentlemen, Having some inexperienced member of the forum like Mountaineer actually agree with me on something, gives me pause no doubt about it. Further we have had several of these Great Chukar dogs visit our big woods to hunt our Pa Grouse, we always tell the owners that we are not out to look for...

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Sproulman, I have to agree about the influx of Grouse hunters, especially on the weekends and over the holidays. Understand however it really does not effect the over all Grouse numbers, but it has made the Grouse even more spooky than normal. No doubt about it the average dog bumps more Grouse here...

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GDFavor,
Great pictures of the Chukar Covey rise, simply fantatic stuff!
RGD/Dave

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GDL,
I use the wings for retrieving, especially to introduce feathers to the dog, so the dog gets use to having feathers in his mouth as he retrieves. In some cases, especially working with Setters and Pointers this can be important.
RGD/Dave

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Bird Buster, We have a tradition as Grouse hunters here in Pa that after the 1st follow up, and failure to take the Grouse, the Grouse hunter hunts a different Grouse. We do not do multipule follow ups on the same bird, the Grouse is granted its freedom if it beats you and your dog twice. In most pl...

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Chien Dog, 113 years is a long time, for a dog to be bred and tested, and that is just what they have record on, so hundreds of years is correct. I also love these all knowing people who have never launched a retrieving dummy down over a mountain side and doubt a dog can find it in the dark, and ret...

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ST8,
You are welcome to your uneducated point of view. Have been doing this for 50 years now please feel free to do your training your own way however.
RGD/Dave

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golden patch, 1st you do not teach your dog to hold at 1st scent, he either has the talent or does not, however you can make him steady to wing and shot. We do have a trick that we use with some of our young dogs who want to creep, using the T&B collar when you see the pup lock up on original point,...

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Gentlemen, 1st there is no need to rush into training, a 12 week old pup is not ready for gun introduction either. Slow down and let the pup mature, if you want to take the pup into the grouse woods to experience his hunting habitat fine, let him point and do some play training stay away from the gu...

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Sproulman, You were Grouse hunting in the wrong part of Pa sir, come to north west or north central Pa, we had a very good Grouse population this season, the wet spring was not cold enough to effect the over all Grouse population on the northern tier at all. I will be the 1st to admit the southern t...

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Elk Hunter,
Beautiful high head point from Sadie, real nice gun dog sir.
RGD/Dave

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JWP58, I use to sleep out in our Grouse Rig, in Grouse season, when traveling to NH, VT and WVa, its been a very long time sense I hunted in that way, especially sense I have my back woods log cabin in Potter/Tioga, Pa. I like my creature comforts way to much, especially now that I am older. Having ...

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Kansasbirdhunter, We never look at gun introduction in the most ecomomical way, we look at it as part of our over all training program. We start with the blank gun in the Grouse woods, move on to the .410 with light shells in the Grouse woods, then using the .410 we shoot down a planted/flushed Hun ...

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Markj,
No sir it is not unkind, let me explain what I mean. Of the millions of dogs bred the percentage of Dual Champion dogs is very small.
The owners should be very proud of their DC dogs, and prize them highly.
RGD/Dave

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Rob,
Get the real side lock Grade IV double gun, for the money it's the best buy, with the highest quality.
RGD/Dave

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Hunting Cop, GSP's are fantatic dogs for hunting upland and will retrieve ducks very very well. I owned a real KS German Shorthair fully trained before I purchased her, she was a great V dog, who retrieved ducks like a Lab. Rosie was 80 LBs and worked hard all day long in the grouse woods, was faste...

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Ladies & Gentlemen, Please do not get me wrong, I love Weimar dogs, have owned them most of my life. My intention was to make sure any prospective owner investigate and purchase a good Weimar dog, from a breeder who is repetatively producing good hunting Weimar stock. Ruff, Weimar dogs are Versatile...

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FM, The jack was definitely good, maybe you should concentrate on adding something useful to the conversation, rather than messing with another member. Looks like you have a GSP in your Avatar, add your thoughts on them verses the Weimar as the man requested. Alexander, Nobody said a good Weimar cou...

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Ultra, It is a shame the owners of these animals do not realize what they truly own, if the Weimar was a good German dog he would have been carrying the other dog around by the neck and presented it to his master, trying to use a good Weimar dog in a field trial is more than just foolish, the dogs h...

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Gentlemen, Again its breed standard that determines conformation and its done by the parent club of each breed line and is refined thru the years. For a dog to be a true Dual Champion it must conform to breed standard and not be just someones opinion as to what the breed should be. We do have a big ...

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Maasman, The very best gun dog I ever owned was a real German Weimar brought into this country long ago by a breeder in Texas who no longer exists. Unfortunately modern Weimars bred in this country, as a hole are not the same animals. There are some good breeders here in the USA, that are working ha...

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deke, My ethical Grouse hunting values come form our family traditions and belief in God, respecting his wilderness and wild creatures. Its a lot more to my family than just ethics, this in fact is the traditional Pa upland shooting life, that GBE tried to put into words. GBE did a pretty good job w...

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t-Setter,
We always recommend Lynn-Hill here in Pa to our actual Grouse hunting clients, they produce repetative high quality Grouse dog stock, that gets the job done in the Pa woods.
RGD/Dave

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Mat, I enjoyed the slide show very much, glad you have a good Weimer hunting dog to hunt behind, prize him. RGD/Dave Gretchen locked on a Grouse burried under the snow in the Pa mountains. http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii174/pine-creek/DSC07390.jpg After the flush http://i264.photobucket.com/al...

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PD,
Congrats on a fine pup, beautiful pup in deed!
RGD/Dave

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Massman, 1st we need to determine exactly which dogs you are comparing, if you mean the real German GSP these dogs are bred to be aggessive in the field and layed back around the home. Bidibility is a big factor in German Breeding. American GSP's that are used in some FT, are more hyper animals and ...

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Gentlemen, I have always let the dog do the hunting, I do not chase Chukar or Grouse for a mile and and half up a mountain, if the dog bumps a group of birds into flight, we hunt a different covert of Grouse, not follow the bumped birds. This is the way we sport hunt here in our mounatins. We have a...

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Don, I was lucky to have been raised in a family that believed in fine Grouse guns, the 1st Grouse gun I was allowed to use was my Grandfathers 28 Gauge Parker SXS double gun, I was taught everything from gun safety to proper Grouse hunting behind a Ryman Setter, with that weapon, starting at age 10...

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Gentlemen, It sounds like you need to take up Grouse hunting, and find out what a challenge really is. Its not how many birds you take, its how you take the birds. When you Grouse hunt all day and the dogs point birds but the human can not get in gun range, you might be a Grouse hunter, when you don...

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Ezzy, I forgot nothing, that breeder can keep all his pups, I don't purchased any of them. In fact I ran into this situation when I looked at Irish Setters, certrain breeders think they have the right to control what you do with the animal you have purchased. From names to breeding rights, a prospec...

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Ladies & Gentlemen, Different dog breeds mature at different rates, sure they can differ from line to line also. Most Gordon dogs are slow maturing but live long lives, Small Munsterlanders are similar. Not all people want a fast maturing dog, some hunters want a dog who matures slowly and lives a v...

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Gertie, When a man has no ethics this is the kind of hunting that can be expected, we have similar problems with Grouse hunters who actually follow hunters to Grouse covert loactions. These kind of people are usually not safe to hunt around, I do not want my dog or myself endangered by the unethical...

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Ladies & Gentlemen, When I purchase a pup I name it, however I do usually give credit to the breeder buy using his kennel name some place in the dogs name. Example, Lynn Dee provided a good male Ryman pup for us, the pups name is Pine Creek Fireside Heston, Lynn Dees kennel name is Fireside. However...

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Mister2, Without seeing your dog it is very hard to give you advise, 1st what dog breed do you own? It sounds like you own a soft dog who my really only need a beeper to control him, seldom if ever needing to be shocked. Not all dogs can be trained using the same method, some individual soft dogs re...

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Mountaineer,
Some people are wrong, if Don said that, he was wrong also. However please believe what you like. Every Rifle, Shotgun and Hand gun are both tools and weapons (Arms) that keep our country free, they can also be used in sport hunting or target shooting.
RGD/Dave

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Croix,
I agree with the men who advise you that its an individual choice, I have 6 dogs and most are at least 2 years apart in age, so I always have a couple dogs in the prime of their hunting life.
RGD/Dave

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Marine,
All fire arms are weapons.
RGD/Dave

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S4E, My training kennels are in the Pa forest, made of 8' - 10' high Chain Link Fencing with 6 holding pens, one large dog shed and numerous dog houses. We also have the Petsafe invisable fence that surrounds the entire kennel so the dogs have extra freedom in the forest. Eventually we will concrete...

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DS,
Congrat on a good dog, happy hunting!
RGD/Dave

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Gentlemen, I do not use the Whistle any more at all, the beeper behind the dogs ears which is master initiated, works much better and is quieter in the woods. We substituted the T&B collar for the whistle years ago. The T&B collar is a great command and locator tool while training and hunting both, ...

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Gentlemen, Down thru the years we have used both and you could not give me TT collar today. To many repairs when they should be on the dogs. We use the older 1800 or 2000 Dogtra T&B dual collars or the new DT H20 T&B dual collars all the time, for both training and Grouse hunting. The new Dogtra 250...

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Redneck, We use the Petsafe invisable wireless that operates from the battery controlled collar, on our moutain forest property. The batteries run the collars, it beeps for a warning and shocks if the dog transgresses, multipule setting for shock intensity. The base unit has a close or far type sett...

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JPNPC,
Every gun dog owner should be so lucky as to have your problem, let the dog mature he will be great.
RGD/Dave

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Bill, Welcome to the wonderful world of Grouse hunting with a fine pup. Glad you had such a great time, in the Grouse woods. Let me know the next time you are in Potter County, I will have you up a little higher on the mountain around Galeton and Gaines, to Grouse hunt the big forest. Great stuff fo...

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Clay, Having hunted Grouse now for 50 years I will advise you in this way, it all depends on the habitat you are hunting. If it is very very thick take a short BBl gun 26" and under, when the habitat is slightly more open take a gun with a longer BBl, 26" and above. You always want to be able to swi...

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