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http://www.diamondsintheruff.com/developmentalstages.html Not sure that this is pertinent to your situation but understanding developmental stags for dogs will go a long way. Read specifically about the fear stage. While your dog may be out of the fear stage as is described here it may have had some...

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Sorry guys I'm not drinking the Hickox cool-aid you condition the dog to do an action in one place and it dose it. Call it what ever you want it is an assocation thing. I'm not saying that praise and correction don't need to happen in the place and at the time of infraction but it is for memory. Do...

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RoostersMom wrote:My dog is place oriented in the field. In the house, he thinks EVERYBODY'S couch is like the one at home. No problem jumping up there and settling down - even in a new place.

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Well its obvious our dogs agree

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My understanding of this is that dogs learn by association. A dog will associate a cue in its environment as it relates to the dogs desire for reward as well as the dogs understanding of what is safe or dangerous. An example of how a dog learns through association is when you get your gun out of the...

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Really Ezzie you must come clean . Did George steal your lunch money or something. I post what I have learned wether it is from George Or a book Or a local pro. We all know you do not like George or anybody that makes a living from dog training. But please stick to the issue. S&j gsp Made a statemen...

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Who said any thing about pushing a method on other people. You are saying dogs are not place oriented and in the same breath saying you have to train in different places. The reason you have to train in different places is because dogs are place oriented. If you only train in one place the dog will ...

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Google culture clash by jean Donaldson PDF

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You are missing the point completely. What you describe as training in different places is exactly what place oriented means. When you train a dog in a place the dog only understands the command in that place till you generalize the command to other locations. The place board is a tool that is used ...

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http://www.georgehickox.com/articles%20 ... 0Weeks.pdf these may help http://www.georgehickox.com/about_georg ... -tips.html

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Clicker training is for house dogs not working dogs. It is nothing I would put any faith in, if a house dog don't obey a command it is not a big thing most are in a yard or on leash if a working dog don't obey a command it could be a matter of life or death. A good friend of mine lost two FC beagle...

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To really have a good understanding or opinion of clicker training and how it relates to field training ,it would be best to experience it in action. Clicker training goes far beyond the obvious immediate benefit of training obedience behaviors. While the effects of positive training can be found wi...

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Well ezzy all things being equal you and I are both firing the gun at a distance that the dog does not respond too. If the dog does not respond to the gun we move closer. If the dog acknowledges the gun in any way we move back. This guarantees no bad association in your way or mine. The difference i...

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Ezzy I know we have had this conversation before . I will adress this with the other readers in mind since you admit you do not agree with attaching the bird to the gun. In your method the bird eventually gets attached to the gun since the dog will get consistent repetitions of gunfire being precede...

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Being a novice myself, this conversation has a lot of interest to me as well. Since Hickox was mentioned, doesn't he teach using a barrel, then to the whoa board and get all the movement of the hunter/handler/bird down before the dog gets to the ground? George starts dogs out on the whoa command at...

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Dogs also learn by repetition and I am not saying we go to a trap shoot every weekend this is a one time trip. I set the dog up with firing the cap pistol at dinner and when we play fetch this is just moving up the scale and I can control it by watching my dog for signs all the while playing fetch ...

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we did the same thing with our lab and the golden we had before that. We just give a treat for not being scared and if they showed any sign we backed up a few yards and started over we had their toy and would throw it so they were having fun and retrieving and treat for a job well done. we also hav...

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where in new york

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If you are training the dog to whoa , part of this training is getting the dog to exhibit this behavior while you walk around the dog. This training in the yard gets the dog used to seeing you out front while standing still. This is developing the behavior from the ground up. Expecting the dog to st...

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Actually its magic !

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Sean I think you misread me, look again. You see even the internet can be edited just like a t.v. show!!!

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Ok ill say it Ceaser Milan is a Great! Buy his book and watch your t.v. Can I say that on this site..... Oh I just Did.

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http://www.georgehickox.com/articles%20 ... 0Weeks.pdf This might help you. Only Introduce a bird to the dog with a locked wing pigeon. The Last thing you need is a Bird dog that is afraid of birds because it was not ready. Take your time it is a long haul.

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This nonsense comes from the AR crowd.

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Hey don't pick on the ar crowd ! My buddy guided a hunt this weekend and the client showed up with a 12 gauge ar -15

. Who says you can't hunt with a black gun

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Read this book there is a good section in it about softening a dogs bite. http://ebookbrowse.com/the-culture-clash-by-jean-donaldson-pdf-d98932404 . It is a good idea to handle your dogs mouth as much as possible. A stick across the roof of the dogs mouth can turn into a big vet bill because you are...

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If what you are seeking is the ability to train specific behaviors at this age , you should try clicker training. As with any training it is done best when the dog is motivated by reward that is significant enough to be greater then the distractions that the dog will invariably find in its surroundi...

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Dogs are place oriented. When they experience things it is relative to their surroundings. If the dog had a bad experience in that location or something as small as seeing a tree that looked the same as one in a place , that the dog had a bad experience at ,it could set the dog off. Try a different ...

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I attended Georges seminar and I specifically asked him what he thought the difference between his seminar and the smith seminar . He said notification is the difference. His program uses the clicker to notify the dog when it exhibits a wanted behavior. He also uses a a negative notifier as the word...

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My idea of obedience is a dog that does what you want because the dog is self motivated to do it. In the post on clicker training I described a method of positive reinforcement for a dog that offers wanted behaviors for reward. When a dog is self motivated there is no chance of the dog being a robot...

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Question. When do you click? after the function or before? And, how do you get the dog to perform the function to get to the clicker? If you are teaching say sit with the clicker, when do you click? Obviously the click can't mean all things. Don as I mentioned earlier Target training is often overl...

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Don simply put the click is notification. While I agree that verbal notification is in theory the same thing, notification with the click is easier for the dog to understand. The click never changes tone ,it never gets longer or shorter as our voices sometimes do. As in whoa , whoooa ,whoooaaaaa and...

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One thing I left out is when a dog performs a task always praise the dog. The treat is not praise and the praise although a form of reward is not the great motivator. Hunger is the motivator. But the praise is also endorphin inducing.

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My dog is out of spencer . He will run till he finds birds . keep the birds close and the dog will hunt them Teach him to whoa and catch up. Im considering a horse!

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I took a course in clicker training just for fun. I think it it is great for in house obedience training, teaching to heel, teaching tricks by progressive approximation . It has no use for field work. You should say you have not used it in the field . As chucker has shown it can be used to develop ...

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Don't mean to detract. Correction is punishment in the dogs mind, no doubt about it. And that's why it works so well. They only want to do good for you, but are inherently selfish and naturally do things not to our liking, hence the correction. It seems you are contradicting yourself. How can they ...

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Actually Ezzie I am making a distinction between punishment and correction. Punishment would rely on the dog having a sense of morality. Since dogs do not have this sense it is difficult for the dog to make a correlation between the behavior as you see it and the punishment as it is given .The dog l...

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I think you are missing a big part of the picture in that you state punishment as your descriptive word. When training properly with the e-collar the dog is trained to avoid the correction by complying to the command. This is not punishment. This is teaching the dog that non compliance has a negativ...

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Could she be coming into heat?

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I agree a hundred percent with whoa dog. Since dogs learn by association, the sooner you create a positive association with what you expect to be a future command, the better it is for the dog. As a pup the dog is absorbing every little cue you are putting out there wether they are intentional or no...

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http://www.georgehickox.com/about_georg ... icles.html Here is some free reading while the weather is no good.

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Dogs learn by association. If a dog stands still and a bird flushes from the cover the dog will repeat this behavior because it is seen as rewardable. Since dogs learn by association this helps to avoid the dog perceiving the taking a step as the catalyst for producing the bird. In the field you can...

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There is no reason why you can not start right now. As long as you are using only positive reinforcement the earlier you work on this the better. Understanding canine behavior should be your first priority. Dogs learn by association. Dogs are motivated by self interest and using this interest in the...

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All dog training relies on the motivation of the dog . If you have a non bird dog breed all the birds in the world will not motivate the dog to see training as beneficial to the dog. Luckily you have a bird dog so learn to see this from the dogs perspective. The dog could care less about what it is ...

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4dabirds i guess its all how you bring the dog along with birds. If you do it right from day one 10-12 wks old on, steady a dog is easy when the time comes. My last male i FF fetched him at 7months he was dead broke at 9 months walking birds, shot birds double flushs. Hes a vary big motor dog to no...

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What I said was expecting the dog to retrieve before he is steady and expecting both to work at the same time is a little premature. No problem with force fetch work first if that is what is important to you. If the timing is right and you can not work with birds in the spring getting force out of t...

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Is the dog steady to wing shot and fall? If not expecting the dog to retrieve at this stage is only putting pressure on the dog. Work on getting the behavior of steady . When that is done force fetch the dog. If the dog is breaking at any point for the bird and you allow this, you are training it in...

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Waterdogs1 wrote:That seems to be the ones everyone recommends. Hickox did a seminar at the kennels I worked at years ago. I should have watched but I was training.

He is still doing seminars. For a thousand bucks you can have the opportunity to watch again.

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Thanks I appreciate the response. I really like your methods. The dog is responding to the situation as it should. Its a far more natural way to train.

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pigeon pole. Eight foot pipe with a tether to the bird. The bird can fly but still lands within sight of the dog. The dog needs to visually see the bird and be trained to respond properly to understand what is expected. If your dog is going to be in a situation you need to train for it. Expecting th...

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Nice video . Just curious, how many bird contacts/sessions does the dog get before he is introduced to the magic brush pile?

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