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Birddogz

Britts are the best looking of all dogs. Their coloring and eyes are amazing. People simply can't walk by them without commenting on them. My GSPs and DD got looks, but not nearly as many.

Birddogz

Again, what that I have posted in this thread is offensive? I'm a science guy, show me. I can't see it. As for my profession, I have been a Doctor, sold my clinic, and now teach. Believe you me it isn't for the money. I am serious, what on this thread have I posted that is offensive? I want to know,...

Birddogz

Knine,
What that I have said in this thread is considered offensive? I would like you to explain it to me. I thought this thread has been quite tame.

Birddogz

I am at a loss. What did I say that was offensive? Are there great EPs and Setters? HECK YES!!!!! There are also great GSPS and Britts. Ron, I know what I said was not real provable, but my point is that my friends who guide kill a TON of birds, and their dogs are top notch, and they are not long ta...

Birddogz

We aren't just disagreeing and it isn't ok. It is moronic, you addressed that directly to a woman and it was demeaning based on her gender....and thruthfully not a single person cares to hear about even one more of your friends, you have dropped a few names that didn't pan out. What was offensive? ...

Birddogz

Knine, You go after my comment when that poster called GSPs and Brits chipmunk hunters? Come on. Besides a little ribbing is a good thing. It is how men communicate. :D Not real men! Only those that are trying desperately to make themselves feel adequate. Ezzy I have a lot of friends in the militar...

Birddogz

It is how men communicate. Dude, this is where you don't get it...that is offensive Maybe it is the fact that I grew up playing a ton of sports, and now I teach and coach. Men give each other **** all the time. What is offensive? What that I have said in this thread is offensive? Are people really ...

Birddogz

Knine,
You go after my comment when that poster called GSPs and Brits chipmunk hunters? Come on. Besides a little ribbing is a good thing. It is how men communicate.

Birddogz

X Bred,
They certainly out number long tails, and I would bet that my friend's dogs point every bit as many grouse and woodcock as your dogs do, probably more.

Birddogz

I guided for many years and tried the European dogs for grouse and woodcock but my clients didn't like paying to hunt chipmunks, squirrels, skunks, possums, rabbits, porcupines, deer, house cats, and all the other trash European dogs were developed to hunt. I had to go back to bird dogs to stay in b...

Birddogz

When does a point of view become a bias? Or is it always? (Doug you may add that to Chukar12osophy) Of course we can place Brittanies and shorthairs in AA trial against pointers and setters. You have to have exceptional run for a britt or shorthair, and bottom that is mutant rather than the norm li...

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Slistoe, you know all that coolaid isn't good for you. :lol: I have talked with several people who have run into the same bias. They were in KS at the time. If you don't think there is a biased towards longer tails in field trials, you are living under a rock. Why do you suppose that GSPs and Britt...

Birddogz

Answer me then. How many Britts compared to say Pointers win big AA events? Those kind of competitions are what pointers were bred for, thus they excell. Comparing britts to pointers in terms of AA trials is asking a britt to be a pointer wich is unfair IMO. It's more ability than bias. Both are gr...

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AA Events.... Brittanys, Shorthairs, Setters...... Again you have NO idea what the heck you are talking about!!! I'll edit my post after somebody points it out that I'm full of ...it.... HA HA HA!! Answer me then. How many Britts compared to say Pointers win big AA events? Why are Britts so in the ...

Birddogz

How many dogs OTHER than long tails win AA events? Ames? Etc.? Then go see what hunters use in the field and tell me there is no bias.

Birddogz

Why do you think they have all-Britt competitions? Tell me O great, one just explain it to us why we still to this day hold Brittany only trials?????????????? 2 reasons. To judge the Britt to its own standard, and because they wouldn't be given a fair shake by long-tail FT judges. I know guys who t...

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Slistoe, I think it is more than clear that I hunt more days in a season than you do in 3. :wink: So the whole step away from the computer thing is ridiculous. If you like to field trial, great. To think that there is no bias towards long tails is insane. Longtail owners will tell you there is. :rol...

Birddogz

Slistoe, you know all that coolaid isn't good for you. :lol: I have talked with several people who have run into the same bias. They were in KS at the time. If you don't think there is a biased towards longer tails in field trials, you are living under a rock. Why do you suppose that GSPs and Britts...

Birddogz

I've tried a few European imports, while they were dogs you could hunt grouse with I could never have called them grouse dogs. :roll: I have hunted over a French Britt that was bar none the best grouse dog I have ever seen. It was a grouse guide's dog. The other grouse guide I know hunts with a Sho...

Birddogz

Contact local guides in your area. I have found if you want to find the best medicine for a quarry, ask a local person whose living depends on it. There are no prejudices, they use what works best. They may have a different opinion of what best is, but they have no reason to tell you anything but wh...

Birddogz

I didnt really want to start a new thread for this, but didnt want to hijack anyone elses either, cuz this doesnt really fit any others. I am interested in events for my new pup once it comes of age, but not certain which suits me/my dog best. So I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there are...

Birddogz

Just thinking about NAVHDA being a nice venue if he has any desire for a versatile dog.

Birddogz

I didnt really want to start a new thread for this, but didnt want to hijack anyone elses either, cuz this doesnt really fit any others. I am interested in events for my new pup once it comes of age, but not certain which suits me/my dog best. So I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there are...

Birddogz

I'm jealous!

Birddogz

...I don't know, my Gramps has pics with dozens in the back of trucks near Bowling Green and in Williams county. NW Ohio. In the 50s. I do...not all Ohio was/is pheasant country, or quail country for that matter....all I'm saying. You must have left Ohio as a younker....don't know about Gramps. All...

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BD I think the reason you get under the skin of alot of people here is because you pretty much ignore what anyone says that you don't agree with,but yet you expect everyone to take what you say as gospel.You talk down to anyone that does not agree with you 100%. Know one said that wild birds are no...

Birddogz

I know dogs are trained better now because of technology, but does the training make up for the fact that the bird hunting was far better then. For instance, in Ohio in the 50s there were pheasants and quail everywhere.... Well...pheasants were never quite "everywhere" in Ohio, no. :D While I recal...

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[Well I consider Jim a friend and guarantee I know him a bit better than you.... have you ever trained with him at his house with all his "wild" birds he trains on I have trained with him and talk to him often. He told me wild birds is the key after the training is established. How can you argue tha...

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T I have talked to him for hours and hours. In person, and on the phone. I really think you should call him and ask what he thinks of HB FTs. :D You would be surprised. :wink: First thing I like to do with a dog is put them into lots and lots of birds, and build that prey drive. Let them be a pup. ...

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I have talked to him for hours and hours. In person, and on the phone. I really think you should call him and ask what he thinks of HB FTs. You would be surprised. I guess if he responded differently than he did in the fourth paragraph in this article posted on his website we would have to question...

Birddogz

I can say this in total honesty. I have never made fun or intimidated anyone asking questions on this forum. I give my honest opinion. I don't see how anyone could be intimidated by anything I have said.

Birddogz

This is ridiculous! I can't be honest, because it may hurt people's feelings? Come on! That is LIBERAL HOG WASH! This is a hunting forum/dog forum, not a PETA gathering. I NEVER said that a dog trained on planted birds can't be a good dog, but they will improve far faster on wild birds. If that make...

Birddogz

I have talked to him for hours and hours. In person, and on the phone. I really think you should call him and ask what he thinks of HB FTs. :D You would be surprised. :wink: First thing I like to do with a dog is put them into lots and lots of birds, and build that prey drive. Let them be a pup. The...

Birddogz

any great trainer I have ever talked with will tell you.."Just hunt them as much as possible and get them into as many birds as possible I am really interested in learning. Good dog work has taken a dominant position over hunting for me, in fact I attend seminars with professionals whenever I can t...

Birddogz

Come on Red, you mean to tell me that all things being equal that you would not rather have lots of covies in easy proximity? When I say it makes things easier, I mean all training methods aside, any great trainer I have ever talked with will tell you.."Just hunt them as much as possible and get the...

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I think it should be noted that their are many places in the U.S. that have enough birds to make a good bird dog. My point is that it takes as many birds as you can get your dog on, and as many DIFFERENT birds and locations as possible to achieve the potential of the dog. Many people don't have acce...

Birddogz

I didn't start this topic.

Birddogz

Ray,
Good morning old man, thank you for the kind words.

Birddogz

I don't think you could dumb it down any more, it's pretty dumb. :lol: In one breath you say of course trainers go to the Dakotas to train. I'm with you. Then you go on to say you don't need to get your dogs into thousands of birds per year to make a good dog. I agree, but having the dog into thousa...

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When the average sportsman gets hold of this news, SD tourism is going to drop dramatically! Who knew I should have stayed in Ohio to develop my dogs. :lol: By your logic, a lab that has retrieved 1000s of ducks in Saskatchewan won't be as good as the dog who retrieves ducks in Arizona? :roll: The B...

Birddogz

That dog has a very expressive face. I bet that dog is very intelligent. Just a guess.

Birddogz

I know dogs are trained better now because of technology, but does the training make up for the fact that the bird hunting was far better then. For instance, in Ohio in the 50s there were pheasants and quail everywhere. Now there are very few. I would say the foot hunting dogs of old have the advant...

Birddogz

I look for a specialist, I hunt Chukars and the rare hun/sharptail. And I compete in FT's so I want a dog that will excel at that venue and those birds. I dont care about hunting a ditch bank or sitting in a duck blind. As for more bird contacts equals better dogs, there is an argument for that, al...

Birddogz

GREAT lookin' pup. That Black is really gorgeous.

Birddogz

I agree with Ted, it does not take a good dog to find birds when there are hundreds of birds in a 40 acre field. I average 20-30 birds in a 3 hour hunt, covering a few miles and hundreds and hundreds of acres of steep terrain, so is the dog that finds 100 pheasants in a 100 acre field better than m...

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Where I see dogs struggle in highly populated pheasant areas is in retrieving runners. When you lightly knock a pheasant down 40 yards out in one of the 40 acre fields that are holding a hundred pheasant that you have been driving down the field. That type of situation is where I see the local dogs...

Birddogz

Why is a pheasant the measuring stick you want everything judged on? What about the guy who could care less about a ditch parrot running away down a fence line? Are his dogs inferior to yours cause they dont hunt pheasants? I agree! While they aren't the easiest of game. And I shot my plenty of the...

Birddogz

Pheasants and ruffed grouse are the primary targets of northern hunters in this country. It doesn't have to be pheasants, no. I think that a pheasant and wild Ruffs that have been pressured are the hardest birds for a dog to master. I have never hunted Chukar, so maybe they are very difficult as wel...

Birddogz

I have 2 who have mastered it. It took them a good 4-5 years to truly master it. Statisically, I hunt more than 95% of hunters. These are not my own ideas, these are stats that I have read in magazines. My dogs had 100s of pheasants shot over them by my friends and myself before being able to achiev...

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I'm talking in general. In general, there are better bird dogs in the Dakotas than in Ohio. Just as there are better Walleye fisherman in Ohio than in Oklahoma. You need the quarry to be around, in order to get good at pursuing them. I don't even understand what the argument is? Less birds is better...

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