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AzDoggin

UPDATE: After much training as to pack order and spaying my dog my dog has made a 180 degree turn she is doing great. With that stated I know this is a dog I will always have to pay attention to in the aggression area. Also, my vet never pushed to spay her until this and she did say her uterus didn...

AzDoggin

Neil, I sincerely believe the more of the predator you allow to develop in your dog, the more you let it hunt naturally, not forced to hunt like a robot, the happier you both will be and the more birds you will find. Now I mostly hunt big going All-Age Brittanys, but I keep a brace of Boykins for t...

AzDoggin

Shadow wrote:can you put a picture up

Yep. we need pics. You could just be making all this up.

AzDoggin

Early in the season you are correct. If yu try that same approach after X-mas in SD, I can assure you it will have different results. I think people are misunderstanding me about what I am talking about. A dog should always be hard charging and fast moving. It is the pattern in which it runs that i...

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now quail would be interesting- specially after the point and flush where that covey splits up- but I'd expect some confusion and some still flushing- and each dog would need a little handling The dogs are USUALLY smarter than the humans in handling a busted covey of Gambel's. Not always - sometime...

AzDoggin

Congratulations!! There is a saying that the more educated a person becomes, the more he realizes how much he has yet to learn. I think that is some of what you are feeling, and it's a great sign. I'm reading Ben O. Williams book right now - Bird Dog: The Instinctive Training Method and it is mostly...

AzDoggin

I suppose it's possible that a rooster could spur your dog and scare him enough to affect him but I've been pheasant hunting for a long time and I've never had that happen over the course of 5 or 6 young dogs. I agree. Prolly about the same odds as getting hit by lightening. I like twofeathers answ...

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Hey, DesertCountry, you want to read some interesting stuff, there is a thread in the "members only" forum about hunting with trialing dogs. In it, a gentleman whose name is Charlie Rose (I believe) posted this information: This FC field trial dog (my dog Bullett)spent his first five years guiding w...

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I was reading last night that you should consider pointing to be about 95% instinct and 5% training (Ben Williams - http://www.amazon.com/Bird-Dog-Ben-O-Williams/dp/1595433309/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267534354&sr=1-1). That being the case, the objective right now is the stimulate and enhance...

AzDoggin

The pups a baby. If you want to turn her off of birds, start using that e-collar around birds at 4 months.

Totally agree with above post. Teach her to be a good citizen, and take her out and show her HOW MUCH FUN birds are. Her time will come for the formal training on birds.

AzDoggin

No problems - the fact that it got her so excited is most excellent. I did the same thing for a young pup and she ran off and devoured the birdy. Bird dog pups love birds. I wouldn't do it regularly at this point, but one occurence shouldn't hurt anything. If anything, you got her stoked up to find ...

AzDoggin

If you hunt your dogs with the wind at your back, they will naturally do this. Started to notice this when I would hunt with the wind in my face, and then turn to go back to the vehicle with the wind "wrong". They learned to run out and hunt back, and from then on they started to do it when the win...

AzDoggin

A talent that my Britts have learned to do through the years is "half arc them." A dog goes on point, the bird runs, they relocate, and this goes on a bit. Then, my dogs will make a 100 yard arc as fast as they can run, and hunt back to me and pinch the birds. Doesn't always work perfectly, but whe...

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I'll take it anyway I can- got two young pups who'll run with him- even had the pup back him at 538 yards- and I got the two roosters- sometimes they'll hold- sometimes not- Wow that is impressive. How old are the pups? I assume the wily phez is running and stopping, running and stopping until he f...

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I am persuaded. Pigeons it shall be. Thanks for all the information, folks!!

Edit: just came across this article: http://www.thecheckcord.com/archives/cbirds.html

Once your birds are in flying shape, sounds like this would be an awesome way to simulate birds in the wild.

AzDoggin

Pigeons are easier to keep. You can teach them to home, they don't smell as bad and if you mess up training your dog you are not doing it on a game bird . That might be a good reason right there - more forgiving for training purposes. After all, it's not the dogs who mess up training as much as the...

AzDoggin

And so are the birds... Yeah. Definitely not into pigeon pie, dang tree rats. Pigeons are free, easily available, pretty hardy, and who cares if you happen to hurt one of them. I just wondered whether the quail will hold up to handling, being tied up, wings clipped, launched from the launcher and s...

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I'm in the city but have a good sized yard. I had been planning to get pigeons again once new pup is here and the time comes, but from what I've read, Bobwhite Quail are just about as easy to raise and keep. Bobwhites are not native to the desert in AZ, so no problem with permits. Which bird is easi...

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EXCELLENT idea!

You are a good dad and a good dog owner.

I was thinking of doing similar here in AZ either sitting on a skate board, or with roller blades. The snow would be more fun than anything, though.

AzDoggin

Poor Pigeon............. :o When my Britt was about 3 months old, I shot bird with my .22. She got to it and RAN OFF and munched on it for about the next hour. It was absolutely hilarious. I knew then that birds were what made her go. Agree with the others, though. Time outdoors just chasing stuff ...

AzDoggin

That "bleep" cactus can get in there and break off, and you don't even know it's there. My Britt became pretty cactus-wise after a while, but we went through several episodes. I started taking a pocket comb with me hunting to flick the cholla off of her. Prior to that, most cactus went from her to m...

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My oldest backed naturally and it took just a few trips to the field for the younger female to start and now her pup is starting. I never have said a word to them as far as teaching but I think they learn from the other dogs. Ezzy It's so nice when the hardest thing we have to do is just stay out o...

AzDoggin

Another thing to consider about Britt's is their economical nature. Pound for pound a Britt eats less than any other pointing breed I have ever been around. My DD eats more than twice what my Britts eat. They also "fit" into smaller kennels etc. If I could put my DDs coat on my Britts, I'd be set. ...

AzDoggin

My Britts are so in tune with when I go hunting that I try to hide all of my hunting clothes/collars/etc. Sometimes I will pack my truck the night before so my dogs don't freak out, it never works. They must smell the equipment/clothes on me, because they can't see me. When I come back into the hou...

AzDoggin

You might also consider getting an enclosure that you could keep in your house that lets him be around the family, but not always free to wreak havoc. I used about a 15 foot long piece of garden fence (wire, with rectangles roughly 2 inches by 4 inches). Just made a big circle and connected the ends...

AzDoggin

az- are you saying your small Britt can go without water Yep. She had this big hump on her back. At first I thought it was a growth. Turned out to be a CAMEL hump :lol: Nah - she'd just rather hunt than do anything else. I had to call her in to make sure she stayed hydrated, whereas some of her hun...

AzDoggin

My experience with 2 Britts was the same. My Katie turned into a "bleep" good gun dog despite all the bone-headed moves her trainer made. I doubt if very many hunted with more heart than she did. About 30 pounds soaking wet, and she would run the leggy males into the ground every outing. Those boys ...

AzDoggin

Dave Quindt wrote:
springpoint wrote:
I'm no Brittany fan, but I'd hunt over that dog any day of the week
FWIW,
Dave

Dave - out of curiosity - what about the Brittany breed turns you off? I'm going to be getting another bird dog after a bit and am evaluating all breeds. I'd like to hear your opinion on the Brit.

AzDoggin

The guy that wrote the book on blood tracking is in New York: http://www.deersearch.org/tips%20on%20tracking.htm

His book is amazing - I highly recommend it.

Note that some states allow blood trailing big game with dogs, and some states do not. The state I live in (Arizona) doesn't allow it

AzDoggin

If you want to try to train the dog, and it sounds like you do want to give it a try, why not muzzle her anytime she's around the kids until you can conclude that the training will or won't improve the situation? There are all kinds of muzzles available - even some the dog can drink through. The ris...

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I bought her from a gal in Washington who owned her ma and bred her with her grandpa's dog so she could keep one pup, neither were hunted, don't know about further up the line though. My Britt was from "nonhunting" stock. Mom and dad were basically just yard pets. That little bugger hunted like her...

AzDoggin

While dogs CAN BE socialized to co-exist with humans and other critters, this is a reminder that they are animals first and left to their own, they do what they need to to survive. This reminds me of a situation a friend found herself in last year. She had just moved to an acreage close to the Salt ...

AzDoggin

If they don't have it by this time, i'd put em down or just give em away. Ha. Nice looking pups. Congrats Yeah - turn them into show dogs or pets. They all look like couch potatoes anyway. :mrgreen: Very cool. And the litter doesn't look big enough to drive momma completely batty. I saw a pic the o...

AzDoggin

jt807, I took a chance on a rescue GSP and I feel like I hit the lottery. He was approximately two-years-old when we adopted him and I wanted a companion first, possible hunting dog second. Like the others said, you are taking a chance with an unknown dog, so if you want to increase your odds for a...

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I don't like bringing home a pup at 6 weeks. Needs to stay with the litter till at least 7 or 8 weeks. The mom and other pups teachs each of them better manners. But the difference in starting with an 8 week old pup and a 2 yr.old I agree with Britguy. With a young pup you have the advantage of rai...

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This pup won't likely be "normal" but I guess it may also depend some on what type of experience your friend has training, and what his needs are for a dog. Possibly for a pet at home...but I agree with the others that if he wants the dog for a trainable hunter, there will PROBABLY be more difficult...

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