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Maybe it is true you cant teach an old dog new tricks, unless you use a clicker!!!!

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Maybe a better use for this amount of space would be for every one to give some advice on grouse hunting strategy. If a dog will look for and point and bring back a stinky "bleep" pigeon it will hunt any bird i'm sure.

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I cant speak for this method but my impression of force retrieve is that the force is what compels the dog to comply with the command . The end game is a dog that will retrieve from water when its cold, continue to search when its hot and bring home the game. I force retrieve trained my 2 year old s...

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when I use a place board the board is only big enough for the dog to get four feet on. It is used only after the dog has stood still on a a barrel The idea is to break down into a sequence the whoa command. The dog learns in small steps which helps the dog learn the command in a manageable fashion ....

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ditto

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It sounds like you are getting some great advice . Although it is impossible to know what is going on here without seeing the dog. My friend had a problem with a dog , got him back from the trainer and the dog would not leave his side , would not hunt. He called the trainer a little miffed. Thats wh...

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The whole point of the place board is to make it easier for the dog not the trainer. Since dogs are place oriented they learn faster when they have a visual cue.

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I think you may just have a conditioning problem. You said the terrain is difficult. Dogs breath simultaneously through their mouth and nose. This allows them to scent while they are running. When a dog goes into oxygen debt it only breaths through its mouth and loses the ability to scent. Fit dog =...

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I don't understand what you mean by a crutch? If you have a broken leg a crutch would seem to me to be a pretty good thing. So when your a dog needs a little help understanding a complex problem , " In the dogs mind" why not give a little help. It is far easier for a dog to understand whoa from a pl...

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Dogs chew for a variety of reasons. You might say it is a priority in their mind, and it is natural and necessary. Why not stop the dog from chewing what you don't want it to chew and give it something that is okay to chew. So far you have allowed the dog to chew the comforter that is your dogs firs...

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Just curious is the platform or its use or methodology different than a place board

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hi john if you are new to all of this you might want to read a great book on dog training , its called culture clash by gene donaldson. It deals mostly with training dogs for general obedience . It has a good section on house training. Although it does not consider training for hunting dogs it will ...

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I think everyone here gave you great advice. One thing i might add is that dogs do not generalize easy and they are place oriented . What this means is you need to train your dog for each command in different places. He or she will not understand what you want in the field when it was only taught in...

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it seems to me that all of these solutions rely on a correction with the check cord or a dependence on the loose bird not being caught by the dog. If you teach your dog to whoa then you can bring the dog in on a check cord to the launcher, command whoa ,launch bird do this first with no scent.The do...

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sometimes the dog is transmitter wise change the picture that the dog sees . Put the transmitter in your pocket so the dog does not see it. You can also give the dog a command and correct him when he cant see you for example tell him to stay and hide where you can see him if he moves give a correcti...

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vagabonder Good luck in south dakota i hope its a great trip for you.

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so chuckar 12 if it is a problem with birds why would you want the dog running loose on wild birds . Dont you think it would be better to give the dog some birds in a controlled environment to build up his confidence, Maybe I missed something as well here maybe i shoould have been more cautious and ...

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Ruffshooter I know what George would say about the dog getting to close to the launcher. Never use the launch bird as the scent bird. Bury a lockwing bird in grass 5 yards out from the launcher It has worked great for me you just need to make sure the dog cannot see it. This sets the launcher far en...

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I guess everybody reads these problems differently . But if you read the original post it says the dog had a bird flush in is face during ht wich i assume is hunt test . I did not know they use launchers in hunt tests. I think alot of people on this site understand dog training and what it takes to ...

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I also think you have to read what vagabonder wrote in the original post. He said the dog had a bird flush in its face maybe this is the reason the dog is blinking . So we bring the dog out to south dakota so a big wild rooster can do the same , that would build him up real good! South dakota is alo...

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One of the things that george taught me was to guarantee the outcome. That is what my suggestion does. By bringing the dog on a checkcord a good distance from the bird and saying whoa and releasing a bird the dog geets a positive bird contact with out having a chance to blink. This does not take any...

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Why does a dog blink? A dog blinks to avoid having the same negative experience it has had in the past.

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Geore Hickox does not have a standard seminar.Although he teaches you his training program He taylors each one to the clients that are there based on what level there dog is at. and he will work with you on any specific problem you are having.

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no my name is not greg

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the whole idea of the drill i recomended was to let the dog hunt . that is what training should be , all positive simulation of hunting . The dog does not know it is not in a hunting situation. With this drill you are giving the dog bird contacts without any pressure.the dog should be having fun and...

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why does a dog blink? and how do you stop a dog from blinking? what caused the blinking in this dog? why would a dog not want to pursue a bird? If you dont know the answer how can you prevent doing the same thing again? when is training hunting and hunting training/ what is the differance? how many ...

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wow I did not know that a dog that is bred to be a bird finding machine would run away from them if it has a temperature. and the way to make the bird dog find and not blink a bird would to be give it more birds in an uncontrolled environment , and the way to solve said problem is to wait till net y...

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Dogs learn by association, sometimes the association we are trying to give the dog is not what the dog gets. it sounds to me like the dog is associating the bird with something bad perhaps a correction while it was on point . You may have done this unintentionally, and it is probably best to find ou...

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My friend has a visla he says they are called velcro dogs . that said I would plant birds at the distance you want the dog to hunt at on either side of a large field walk down the midlle when the dog is chasing birds he will forget about you. Dogs learn by association. He will expect the birds to be...

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Fly away drills are for geting your dog to point There is no need to have him retrieve at this point (no pun intended). If the dog is not steady to wing allowing him to break wil only add baggage later. what you want to do is point drills.Use a scent bird with mulltiple launchers . Place the launche...

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sylvan try starting out with a training video .I used a George Hickox video first his new beginings video is good it will give you the basic idea of how to train a hunting dog. After using the viddeo I decide.d to go to one of his seminars , I liked it so much i went a second time it was the best in...

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hi missouri hunter It seems to me you are a little early on using the ecollr. If your dog does not respond to the word whoa 8 out of 10 times , that is walking running while coming and going away from you he does not understand the command. The reason he comes to you is you have made yourself the sa...

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Dogs learn by association . Get some pidgeons . Rubber band their wings so they can only fly a short distance. Take the dog out to a large field. Have a friend stand 100 yards away with a blanck pistol,throw the bird . When the dog is about to catch it fire the gun. Incrementally move closer. If the...

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just a correction new york was split into three zones northern southern and western,it was only the western zone that was no sunday hunting . Now you can hunt the whole state on sunday. Last year i hunted in conn. . I took my 14 year old son and his friend , saturday morning i went to get liscences....

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It may seem complicated to some people to use certain training methods . To me it wasnt complicated at all. Furthermore the idea of the barrel is to not confuse the dog. When the dog is onthe barrel he teaches himself to stay still there is no command and no correction. What could be less complicate...

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I used a barrel with very good results. The barrel is six inches off the ground with a bar across the top and a door mat on the barrel. place the dog on the barrel tie his lead to the cross bar if the dog moves he falls off the barrel pick him back up. It will only take a few reps to get the idea an...

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