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Elkhunter

The large majority of FT dogs, especially AKC gundogs are 150 yardish dogs. Not exactly horizon busters... I see very very few true 500+ yard dogs that dont just run off. Oh I paid $300 for my GSP, who is one of the best dogs I have ever been around. And $400 for my pointer that has 2 RU CH wild bir...

Elkhunter

If you have access to wild birds and a young pup and you choose to use pigeons I will reach through the computer and smack you!!! :D It always amazes me that we stress wild birds, wild birds, wild birds. Yet when a guy has access to wild birds the first advice he gets is to buy a launcher and get so...

Elkhunter

I also have no problem making sure my hounds stay healthy, but its a crutch for a dog to be able to actually hunt. I would much rather hunt with a dog that does not need all the TLC just to go hunting! Just me though.

Elkhunter

Is your dog "accident prone"? Not sure if this was addressed to me or not but when a hound see's as much run time as mine, things are bound to go wrong once in awhile. Heck, I've broke ribs & a scapula within a weeks time playing football as a youngster. I see it more as being the nature of the gam...

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Brazosvalleyvizslas wrote:Tuff Pads, ( tincture of Benzoin) will strengthen
the pads and mushers wax will keep them from cracking. Its not all about breeding.

But it should be!

If i have to rub tonics and lotions all over my dogs feet to take him hunting, I am afraid I would send him down the road.

Elkhunter

I think socialization is huge! I want anyone to be able to walk up to my dogs, feed em, take their feed from them etc. I have 3 little girls that are around all the time, though I never leave them with the dogs unsupervised it makes me feel better knowing my dogs know I AM THE BOSS. I can feed em al...

Elkhunter

I've heard it said, that the biggest and most important difference between a trial dog and a hunting dog is the owner. The owner (trialer or hunter) guides the pup through different processes depending on the goal. The biggest difference between a trial dog and a hunting dog is which day I have the...

Elkhunter

At 8 weeks old its a complete crap shoot, regardless of what anyone says! I do agree that range can be inhibited through training, one thing I see a lot is guys using tons of pen raised birds early in a dogs life. So in a dogs mind, there are birds EVERYWHERE. Why would he need to range far to find ...

Elkhunter

Danners last me a month or two in the chukar hills.

Cabelas Meindl Denalis for me!

Elkhunter

Sad news, its always a bad deal when one of us dog people leaves early. Prayers for his family.

Elkhunter

CJ you just need to get out to actual trials so that people feel you are educated when you talk about trialing. The VAST majority of FT dogs, especially AKC gundogs are literally 100-150 yard dogs. The very few that are All Age dogs and big running Shooting Dogs do get out quite a bit more. I have s...

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I am appreciative of the FT experts that have shown up on this thread to educate us ignorant bird dog folks!

Elkhunter

Creeping with the handler ? :lol: The dog isn't supposed to creep with the handler and if the handler went in front of the dog as they moved in to flush the birds he could be eliminated. The dog is supposed to go in on command to make the flush while the handler keeps to one side behind it. A numbe...

Elkhunter

Seemed very similar to the walking trials we hold here. Except they allow dogs to creep with the handler.

Elkhunter

The credibility of people is terribly fragile when you see beyond their internet persona and bravado. I cannot speak as intelligibly for those East of the Rockies and certainly not for those across the Atlantic. However, some of these "experts" west of the rockies that would espouse their expertise...

Elkhunter

Sorry to burst your bubble Brad but your "sport" still uses American bred FT dogs with a ton of success. I am very very close friends with many avid falconers that not only use their American Bred All Age dogs to compete in FT's but also use them with their falcons. And they are very good at it. Bel...

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I believe American dogs are fit for breeding to the sports and games we have here. My goals and expectations are different and I breed and train to these goals. Brad that is complete and utter bull crap! And you know it! There are literally thousands and thousands of AMERICAN bred dogs that are bre...

Elkhunter

I have pointers and GSP's and they both can get the job done! They are a pain in the butt physically thats for sure.

Elkhunter

The ignorance displayed by some dogs trainers is immense.....

FT dogs no longer have prey drive now? wtf

Elkhunter

So American bred FT dogs cannot find and hunt wild birds? Gotcha.......

Better let my hounds know we will not be going out this weekend...

Elkhunter

Favor make some good points! I have ran in a few hour CH's, even placed in a few. And getting a hound ready for game day is a helluva lot different than hunting for an hour! I road three times a week for 1.5 hours and train off horseback 5-6 days too get ready. Those that are not ready make themselv...

Elkhunter

I have two GSP's and one pointer. My pointer in the chukar hills averages about 6-9 mph. About the same as my GSP's. Alot does depend on how many birds he finds, standing on point for 15 minutes can skew the data.

Elkhunter

Call John McGiltrot up in Montana, he does a great job. And works with a lot of Setters.

http://www.seranoakennels.com/

Elkhunter

I make sure they wild bird hunt for sure.

I asked a guy here in Utah that called about one of my pups, I asked if he hunted chukars, he asked me what a chukar was. I told him all the pups were sold.

Elkhunter

I have a pointer and a GSP, they both run pretty big so I dont like hunting them together.

Elkhunter

There are gazillions of good pups for $500. I have never paid more than that for any of my dogs, I have placed in CH's and shot gob loads of wild birds. They are there ya just need to look. This dog is 5, not a puppy. At this age is should hunt and be done with training, so it should be expensive. ...

Elkhunter

There are gazillions of good pups for $500. I have never paid more than that for any of my dogs, I have placed in CH's and shot gob loads of wild birds. They are there ya just need to look.

Elkhunter

Give Josh a call he can help you out good guy and sort of knows about bird dogs. As for AKC stakes, puppy and derby’s aren't required to retrieve, even as broke dogs brittany's aren't required to retrieve for their ch, although if you run in broke retrieving stakes she will need to do it. But thats...

Elkhunter

I am utah also, give me a call and we can get together. I am also very active in the field trial scene. 801-494-9977 josh

Elkhunter

I have yet to see a planted birds act like wild birds.

Elkhunter

I hunt them as soon as they are gun conditioned and wont run away. Irregardless of how far along they are.

Elkhunter

Call marshall, I am in your same boat. I have a transmitter but no collar. They quoted me $167

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Don my experience and the experience of all of my avid wild bird hunting friends could not be farther off than what you are preaching. If my dog is pointing a covey of chukars from say 50 yards away, I only have to get about 20 or so yards from the birds before they flush. I have seen my dogs and my...

Elkhunter

Ezzy I am a sensible guy, and I know you guys have lots of experience. I am not telling anyone that my dogs are better than mine. Donf has said numerous times that no ones dogs can or have pointed birds father than 30 or so yards away. I call bull crap, and I have shown video proving it twice. And i...

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DonF you need to put the traps and pigeons away... and put boots to the ground and actually see how its done instead of "trying" to imitate a wild bird and trying to convince others that a dog cannot smell a bird from 50+ yards away. A grizzly bear can smell a kill from 2 miles away but our bird dog...

Elkhunter

Here is my GSP a few days ago, pulling off the impossible. Pointing a covey of wild birds from 60-70 yards away......... Just for the naysayers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0qVSkXqYzE&list=UU7q6EwyFPOQK1CrsCqTqp7A I never doubt a dog can point that far and much further, especially under the co...

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I really think she is pointing birds and not the launcher. I have planted birds without the launcher and she points them. She is also pointing far enough way that she could not see launcher. I have not tried and empty launcher though. My gut tells me she just doesn't know how close she can get to w...

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I really think she is pointing birds and not the launcher. I have planted birds without the launcher and she points them. She is also pointing far enough way that she could not see launcher. I have not tried and empty launcher though. My gut tells me she just doesn't know how close she can get to w...

Elkhunter

Keep running her on the quail, she will figure it out.

Elkhunter

Here is my GSP a few days ago, pulling off the impossible. Pointing a covey of wild birds from 60-70 yards away......... Just for the naysayers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0qVSkX ... CrsCqTqp7A

Elkhunter

Both of my CH placements have come in the afternoon draws. Region 9 ASD last year, drew 5th brace on the last day. Region 9 AAA drew 4th brace. Just gotta be ready!

Elkhunter

See I want wild birds to teach my dog how to handle them. Plus pointing the bird is just one part of the equation in my mind. He has to be able to find them, and know where to look and how to use the wind. I don't need a pigeon to act like a wild bird cause I will just use wild birds for that!! I wi...

Elkhunter

Perhaps you used the launchers incorrectly? I don't have time to dig up wild birds and I like to control the situation. Launchers all the way for youngsters, wild birds for their diploma. Everyone has their own ways for sure! I would be using pigeons and hear chukars above me, and I kept thinking w...

Elkhunter

Hunting and training are pretty much the same for me! I use pigeons for finishing stuff etc. How a dog handles a bird is solely up to him and that bird. That's true for an old dog, but for a youngster you can show them what you expect AND WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE BIRD, thereby greatly lessening the ...

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DonF I would have to disagree with just about everything you posted.... First off using planted birds/launchers to teach a dog to handle wild birds is foolish, why not just ACTUAL wild birds to teach a dog to point wild birds. What will a pigeon teach a dog that a wild chukar cannot?? If my dog is ...

Elkhunter

Other handlers will notice it messes with your dog and they will continue doing it. It will get better with time. Remember FT's are a game, learn how to play and beat the others.

Elkhunter

Some of you boys must not hunt wild, spooky huns or chukar. A dog coming in hard and fast would scatter birds from heck to breakfast 95% of the time. I want my dogs to relocate on their own but I don't want them doing it hard and fast. That is a blue print for disaster and there would go supper. It...

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DonF I would have to disagree with just about everything you posted.... First off using planted birds/launchers to teach a dog to handle wild birds is foolish, why not just ACTUAL wild birds to teach a dog to point wild birds. What will a pigeon teach a dog that a wild chukar cannot?? If my dog is p...

Elkhunter

I had the kimar, it broke also. I am ordering an Alfa. I had a cheap one fall off the horse a few weeks back.

Elkhunter

The price of a pup is the cheapest part of the equation so a few hundred one way or the other really doesn't mean much. Get the pup that suits you and have some fun. A few hundred one way or the other is a huge difference when you don't have it or you have to decide whether to buy food or a pup. Ha...

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