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tcjack wrote:just wondering if anybody here has hunted with a gsp and a ep. what are the diff?

usually range.....from my experience pointers typically ranger a lot further out then GPS's...both are great breeds.

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snips wrote:Go back and read archives on teaching pointing dogs Sit.....You can encourage pups to stay down without sitting:)

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i usually recommend the sitting technique except for pointing dogs, that can make it harder to teach whoa down the road.

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I've seen people shoot stop signs when they can't find anything else to shoot and they are supposed to be smarter than a dog. Ezzy dogs are way smarter then people, think about it...we feed them, clean up their poop, pay large sums of money so they can breed....yeah, i think dogs are way smarter th...

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He has been properly introduced and has no gun shyness. Steady on whoa. Just need some birds for him to find! if birds is all he is lacking then i would say take him hunting. it might turn into a "training session" but he wont learn anything if he is left behind at home. good luck, let us know how ...

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When I begin the FF process I do not use birds until the finishing touches...I use hard wood dowel and other items even heavy plastic water bottles with some water in it. Great advice. all the "bad" stuff should be with something the dog will never see again like a wood dowel or such. Personally, i...

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Ruffshooter wrote:Shoot more birds.

once a dog gets enought birds over it, it will leave the mice alone and focus on birds.

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time and experience will help. some dogs are just programmed to be close working dogs so she may be one. but with time and shooting bird for he she will naturally range out to what her genes tell her to. you can always reign them in but mother nature tells them how far out to go. just keep hunting t...

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never seen that pesonally but it sounds like he might be a super sensitive dog and may take a little time to get used to new things like the whistle.

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some young labs take longer to get used to cold water than others. he has to figure it out on his own. you may try and have him watch another dog retrieve in the water over and over again and help build up his jealousy and that could help prompt him to get in the water on his own.

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i use the sportdog 10R and have not had any problems with it. It has been a great collar for me and i use it very regularly.

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i would invest in a small handfull of homing pigeons and a bird launcher.......you will need to get that dog on as many birds as you can to bring out the natural point and homing pigeons work great for that.

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a one time situation like that i wouldnt worry too much. catching a wild bird is probably pretty rare so chances of it happening again are pretty slim i would think. just keep an eye on the dog and see what happens as the training continues but i would think you should be fine with an isolated incid...

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i would build a small loft for some homing pigeons. they are like gold for training pointing dogs.

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are you wanting to completely steady dog to wing and shot? or are you just wanting a dog to stay put up to the point where you can walk up and flush the bird?

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Something a buddy that has trained lots of dogs told me when I had my first EP at that age was to just take him somewhere with lots of pigeons he can chase. He'll figure out he can't catch em. That is pretty much it. the dog gets sick and tired of not catching the birds and stops downwind of the bi...

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sounds like you might be whoa'ing her in the field a bit too premature. she should be pointing naturally pretty good before you whoa her on birds or it could sour her for birds and the point will deteriorate. they have to figure it out in their heads on their own, whoa'ing is not teaching to point b...

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are the pigeons homing pigeons that you are reusing or wild ones? if she is holding point long enough to where you think you are ready to shoot some birds, take a bird and plant it for the dog to work. if the dog goes out and point and holds, shoot the bird and throw it in the freezer. you can reuse...

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typically shooting birds is done after the dog is steady to where you can walk up, kick the brush for a few minutes and then flush the bird. if the dog will do this 100% of the time for a couple weeks of training, 5 days a week, then it is ready to shoot some birds. this is what i mean http://www.yo...

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some good advice given. I would go back and work him for a few weeks with just a leash around his belly and neck and work on whoa some more. adding the collar adds a lot of pressure to the dog and will often show where more work needs to be done. i would also check and see if the e-collar setting wa...

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if the dog is holding point, why not let the dog run and cover the ground so you dont have to. that is the advantage of running a great pointing dog that will rang a bit and be steady on point.....just curious, just how far is the dog ranging that is "out of range"? what is your desired range and wh...

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The collar program is an involved one. The collar simply reinforces and until the dog is solid on all commands, cannot be used. What you experienced was the dog "bolting" from you, now you will have to "debolt" her. First things first though. Let her wear the collar, don't use it on her, and train ...

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it is possible to train an older dog to hunt, the biggest question you will have to have the dog answer is how birdy it is....if it shows drive for birds then by all means you can definately make a hunting dog out of it......

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just got the prices for the new arkat feeds.... looks like i am switching foods....prices went through the roof...... Care to elaborate on the price or are you not at liberty to do so as a dealer? Thanks Since it looks like I am switching I wont get into actual prices and let those planning on sell...

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the pricing will be different in different parts of the country due to shipping but some of the arkat feeds went up about $8 per bag around these parts, making them close to the same price as the VF line

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nothing is wrong with a dog flushing no matter the breed if that is what you are ok with. the only problem, as mentioned before, is that setters typically are very rangy dogs, sometimes 200+ yards or more and that wont work for a flushing dog. you can control and rein in a dog like that but it is ha...

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Thanks. I love running this dog. when the owner dropped her off i didnt think she would go very far as she had no drive at all, didnt even know what a bird was and had no interest in them at all. I was sure I was going to have to give some bad news on the dog but i kept putting homers in front of th...

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nice pics.....kids and dogs go together like peanut butter and jelly.

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What a perfect day for running dogs. cool and breezy and the dogs responded. The dog in the video made my day today. she is a dog in for training and has not seen a bird at all before she came in a month ago. infact, i was thinking after the first week she didnt have what it takes as she showed abso...

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just got the prices for the new arkat feeds.... looks like i am switching foods....prices went through the roof......

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I judge it by how much bird desire a dog has. If they bore in on a bird and hit them going 90mph, they're ready for a pheasant. If they run to a bird and tentatively pick it up, better hold off. Next time you're around an old pheasant dog, look at his muzzle. A pheasant can flat tear a dog up and m...

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its never too early to start training a gun dog. i get many young dogs at that age in for training and the best thing for them is a ton of birds and to start bringing out that pointing instinct. dont over work the dog to where it is physically worn out, short and sweet sessions and hunts but start t...

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i use e-collars a bit differently than most. i am not a fan of using it as a force method, a practice commonly used in retrievers, but rather using it to reinforce a negative command, such as no. i also use the tone as a recall or come command for pointers that are rangy.

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sounds like gunshyness to me. I would take some time off for the dog, maybe a month or so and then work the dog on a ton of flyaway pigeons and get the dog really birdy and slowly, ever so slowly start working the dog around guns, at a distance at first, as the birds are flying off and the dog is ch...

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personally i prefer pheasants but chuckars are also good. i would use them if they are more available around here.

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if you want a simple but very effective book on training a retriever, i would recommend game dog by richard wolters. many people dont like his stuff because it is not a field trial training book, but it wasnt intended to be one. it is a gun dog training book for the average joe. it is easy to follow...

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i have been feeding enhance for 4 years or so now and all these changes make me a bit nervous too. i talked to the company sales rep today at a trade show and she assured me the formula changes are for the better, that they will be higher digestable and more nutrition. the one thing she couldnt say ...

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i just use a 6 foot dog leash and buckle collar to teach whoa.....then i finish them up with the e-collar

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i have had cats do this kind of thing before so dont rule them out of the picture.

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work the dog on marks with a hidden thrower.

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i have a client that hunts a GSP and lab and swears by it. the GSP finds the birds and points them and the lab is there to make the retrieves.

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if the dog is pointing a wing now i wouldnt do that anymore as they can get bored of it. i use pigeons next and have had no problems with a young dog with them i have a 16 week old pup on pigeons and it is doing great with them.

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i have a dog that is just diabetic. it drinks tons of water and such. he is on insulin 3 times a day but is doing fine otherwise

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A couple of these pups, maybe 3, will be the next generation of pheasant dogs i will have for next season. i am so excited i cant wait until i can start them on birds. This season will most likely be the last for the sire and i lost the grandsire last nov so it is time to get a new duo ready for nex...

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take her for walks where she can run loose and let her get her confidence back. let her run with another dog if there is one available. down the road you will want to get her back on birds but maybe leave the collar off for a while until she gets her confidence back.

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i have trained countless dogs using the waterdog, gamedog books with some of my own modifications. they are easy to read and very easy to follow. they dont go into a lot of detail if you want to run field trials or anything like that but for a great bird dog, they will teach you all you need to know...

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some background info to tell us how much retrieving, if any, does the dog do now. does the dog like to fetch anything at all, tennis balls, sticks, anything? what have you done so far wiht the dog?

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just my 2 cents but i have been on many bird dog and hunting forums and i am surprised at how well people get along on here. I have been other forums in the past that i wont go to again because there was no control and they got out of hand, and i mean literally out of hand, down right nasty. But thi...

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pointing is an instinct that needs to be developed naturally and then sharpened with some whoa training. sounds like you need to get a remote bird launcher and a bunch of pigeons and give him a bunch of "flyaways" to start giving him the idea that he is busting the birds and once he starts to realiz...

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we have been getting in the 80's here and i run early in the morning and keep the sessions short. i also make sure i have water for the dogs after they run. one good thing about running early in the day is the mosquitoes aren't so bad it seems as it is later in the day or evening.

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i use the sportdog sd-1825 and also started using their sd-1850 beeper/collar......have had great success with them both.

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