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Brittlver, Doug is absolutely correct, when starting a business, start with a business plan. Starting a boarding kennel with a grooming operation is a good idea today, remember however it takes a substantial investment to meet all the building codes, especially for housing dogs in states like Pa. Ea...

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Vaoutdoors42, I like two individual flight cages better than the combo. You end up with more efficient use of the room in your vehicle for other needed equipment and guns. With a smaller vehicle you can still get an ammo box and other gear between the cages, as you see with the larger vehicle you ac...

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Gentlemen, Each person has his own definition of style, meeting breed standard with great instincts and the ability to handle what ever bird you hunt, along with an instinctive retrieve to hand, is how I judge style. All else is subjective to the individual, and is judged differently by different pe...

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Ridgerunner,
Yes we use to talk about our WVa Grouse hunting quite a bit, however we do not hunt WVa as much any more, the Grouse population around Morgantown has dropped.
RGD/Dave

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Gentlemen, Its not just Pa, its this area from the upper part of WV thru Pa into parts of NY, we have lots of predators here, everything from Human to flying and the Grouse become very spooky at times, the older the Grouse becomes the spookier the bird becomes or the bird dies. These Grouse have ada...

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PD08, What you say is true, investigating the breed line is definitely a requirement for prospective owners. However some owners fail to do their home work before purchasing an animal, no matter the breed. This is why we developed a breeders list for our clients to choose high quality Grouse dogs fr...

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mcBosco, I posted on the other thread you mentioned for everyone to review, when you have time give it a read. Gentlemen you are above all other animals, God gave man dominion over all the animals, however your responsibility is to treat them as God has intended, abusing the gifts that God bestowed ...

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GunDogs, The Priority is to own a dog who can function as both, a True Dual dog, George Ryman developed his entire gun dog line on this premise, Holly at Tartana is doing a similar job today, with her Gordon Setter dogs. Dean Rasmussen breeds his Small Munsterlanders in the same manner. However you ...

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GH74, Having dealth with Setter dogs all my life I sent you a private message, I will post some of what I recommended for the membership to see. If this dog is a Setter definitely return the dog to the breeder, no Setter should turn on a family member, even if the dog is harassed or even abused. The...

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Mountaindog, Although I have been raised to respect all life, and dogs are treated as part of the family here at my place, dogs are property and do not have equal rights as a human. That being said the dog handlers in the US Army had a saying about this old Warrant Officer, and had placed the sign o...

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Gentlemen, Some hunters like the walking point others do not, a spooky Grouse gives lessons to a good gun dog like nothing else can. Experience levels vary with different gun dogs, the more spooky Grouse they come in contact with the better the dog becomes at hunting them, no matter the breed. For t...

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JWP58, We use a .410 with light shells to introduce our young dogs to gun fire and down a training bird at the same time, imprinting the young dog with gun fire meaning dead bird, we use the 28 next and so on up the guage scale a little at a time. Used the .410 in Texas to shoot wild quail behind a ...

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Gundogs,
Our mountain home is in the forest and we have a Petsmart invisible fence, set on the large circle pattern, each dog has his own collar. Its more than enough room for the dogs to exercise and its nice to be able to open the door and let them run without worry.
RGD/Dave

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DirtySteve,
Great way to Spend Thanksgiving vacation sir, ofcourse you know Chukar are in the Grouse family.
Great pictures, thanks for sharing your hunt.
RGD/Dave

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Gentlemen, We were having a discussion about bumping Grouse not Snipe, all this depends on how mature and spooky the Grouse are that your dog has been subjected too. The spookier the Grouse the better the dog must be, no matter the breed, and for those who believe that cover dogs might be the best G...

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Doodle, You have a good point, if he wants to use the 12 Gauge gun, some light 2 1/2" #8 might work real well if the gun is not full choked, he might even want to purchase some Spred-R #8 loads for his 12 gauge gun. If he is going to purchase a double gun for Woodcock hunting, a lighter gun would su...

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Brad27, I understand your point and because I use my 28 gauge gun when dog training I am looking into picking up a CZ 28. The Elsie 28 is part of my L.C. Smith Gun collection and I have decided not to use it as a training gun, I will Grouse & Woodcock hunt with it only, as I do the rest of my Elsie ...

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Wincy, The birds you have in Canada could and often are hunted with dogs who could not even get near a Pa Grouse, my brother trains up around Elk Lake each year and his dogs point about 100 birds in long day, we are talking about two completley different kinds of Grouse. Many men from out west and u...

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HDG, We teach this identification process to our young Grouse hunters all the time, the easiest way in the field is with the feather dots, they seldom fail to identify the correct sex of the bird. The guard feathers can be misleading at times, the tail break can come on male or female bird also. In ...

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J&R, I have a set of the LiL Skeeters to shoot 28's from my Elsie 20 Gauge double gun. The problem is when you go to reload it takes way to much time, especially in the Grouse woods. Some time just invest in a 28 Gauge double gun, CZ actually has a decent little 28 Guage, on the correct frame, for a...

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Gertie,
Mushers and Cowboy Magic will get the job done after you clip the hair form between the dogs pads, the Cowboy Magic works well on the entire dogs coat also, both to keep snow balls from forming and as a detangler for briars and such. Welcome to the wonderful world of Setters.
RGD/Dave

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Graydawg, Ron do more than consider it, if you plan to hunt your dog for Timberdoodle and Grouse put an emergency medical kit in your truck, it will get used from time to time. I actually have a complete medical kit in a large plastic kit, I purchased from Sams, stored in the side slot of the Expodi...

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Where did you get that beautiful Dalmation

This is why city people should not be allowed in the Grouse woods

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Gentlemen, Grouse in different places act differently no doubt about it, although in some places they are fool hens GPBlitz and all others are welcome to vist and have their Grouse dogs work our Pa Grouse, lots of men have brought their Mid west and northern dogs to our state and found a completely ...

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TN,
I really wish these things did work in the forest, it would be really nice new technology.
RGD/Dave

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Klondike, Welcome to the real world of Grouse hunting, our Spooky Pa Grouse give lessons like this to our gun dogs all the time. Looks like we are now hearing from some of the young Grouse hunters who actually spend time in the Grouse woods, hunting Grouse. The cure for your problem is a Ryman Sette...

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TN, Got to tell you I had the exact oppsite experience, bought a back tracker for my Grouse hunting and tried to use it in the Pa big forest, to say it did not work would be an understatement. It was unable to pick up a decent satelite signal on three different mountians where we hunt. This might be...

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adogslife, You have my respect sir, from the thread subject I believed you were more worried about range than about over all genetics producing great hunting instincts and brains. Many owners today fail to understand the importance of bidability because they have been mislead into thinking that a gu...

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Ultra,
Blanking for field trial practice, please God make this man practice a might so as not to insult his fine hunting dog.
RGD/Dave

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DaveC, Enjoyed the post and especially the pictures, definitely keep them coming! I bet that stinking treaty for not killing flying predators is not enforced in the UK, same as Scotland mate. Just us foolish yanks who abide by such garbage. I love one video featuring the Game Keeper from Scotland ta...

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aDogslife, I look at this as a genetic imprint, breeders breed dogs for different jobs. I do not look at this as a range specific genetic difference in dog types. I have Gordon Grouse dogs who cover more area than most FT breeds, with their 400 yard swings thru the big Grouse mountains in Potter/Tio...

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Gentlemen, No doubt about it Lion Country has some serious Uggie double guns, I have been looking at a Grade V, 28 Guage for some time now. Sooner or later I will add one to my collection. Was hoping Marlin would contract Uggie to build an Elsie Reproduction, I would really like to have a 28 Gauge L...

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Gentlemen, It all comes down to personal preference, I own everything from a M12 shotgun, Churchill O/U's and SxS Elsie double guns. Some have DT others SST or in the case of the M12 a simple single trigger. The 16 Gauge M12 is a deadly little gun that our female clients dearly love, the young boys ...

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Crep,
The place you want to stay is Knob Hill on Rt #6 outside Galeton, Pa. Dog friendly business that lets you keep your dogs in the room with you.
Knob Hill - 814-435-6738.
Enjoy
RGD/Dave

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nj gsp
Tell you what sometime drive across Rt #6 to our log cabin in Potter/Tioga we will set around the big rock fire pit, sip a few and I will take a good look at your Elsie and
make a couple suggestions for ya. It's a real nice old gun and should be restored properly.
RGD/Dave

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Gentlemen, You are missing the point, its not that the gun can not be repaired, the butcher job should not have been done in the 1st place. Its the fit up, wood to breach, where someone pried the side lock plate, damaging the wood to metal fit up, that is going to take some work to make perfect agai...

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nj GSP,
I keep looking at your beautiful trap grade Elsie Double gun an the guy who removed the side locks from that gun without the proper knowledge, and proper tools
should be admonished for what he did to that fantastic old Walnut stock.
RGD/Dave

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Don F, In the 20's thru the 50's trap was shot with SxS double guns and some of the greatest shooters in history used L.C. Smith Trap Grade and Pigeon Grade double guns, in fact Anne Oakley won the British World Championship with her Elsie SXS, 16 Gauge double gun, outshooting every great shooter of...

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Gentlemen,
Tractor Supply carries the complete line of Pet-Safe equipment, LC also carries most of it. Get your self a Dogtra T&B Collar and start doing some training,
your animal thinks he is the big dog of the house and that definitely needs to change.
RGD/Dave

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Live4point,

Thank you sir very much, I though this little bird gun was worth adding to my Elsie collection, when I shouldered her I definitely knew I was keeping her.
RGD/Dave

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TVW, You now understand why we have developed a breeders list to supply gun dogs for our clients, your situation happens all to often. Unfortunately if your contract says no refunds, you are pretty well stuck, until the breeder delivers a pup. My advise is to never sign a contract like the one this ...

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Don, 40 is a good start, I believe that particular gentlemen pased away a few years back, I might even own one of his good pre 13 Elsies. RGD/Dave 1920 Custom Ordered L.C. Smith 20 Gauge, with (SST) original Lard/Hunter One Trigger, and Beavertail Fore Stock, French Walnut wood thru out. A Serious l...

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Sammy, If you are interested in saving the original stock, Master Gun Maker Freddie Brunner in Ca is the man who can save it. I do not have his phone number here at the mountain home, but can get it for you if you want it. He just saved an original 1920 L.C. Smith stock for me, on one of my field gr...

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QA,
You are definitely in the wrong place for snipe, hook up with the Texas cowboys! Got a big kick out of Redfish asking what one was.
RGD/Dave

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2Dogs,
Great stuff sir, glad your dog is doing well and that she is still your pride and joy. Real nice hunt sir.
RGD/Dave

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Gentlemen, You know you guys are killing me right now, Grouse hunting when Pa's season is not open yet, some of the guys in up state NY are Grouse hunting however, man I should go buy a NY License. Great pictures and stories everyone. GWP Tyler, never hunt Ducks when you can Grouse hunt, good grief ...

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Pointing Quail,
Heck I own them both, I use my good L.C. Smith double guns when I hunt, I line shoot my O/U guns. To me nothing beats a SxS double gun with DT in the Grouse woods or the Quail & Pheasant fields, a man should have at least a few of both.
RGD/Dave

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Outdoorsman, My most favorite shotgun is a pre 1913, 00, DT, two BBl set L.C. Smith 16 Gauge double gun, one set of BBls for Grouse, Woodcock and Quail the 2nd set for Pheansant Ducks and Geese. The gun was custom ordered by one of my family members long ago, with #1 Gun Engraving and english straig...

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RM,
Great stuff, I loved the pictures, and its evident you had a fantastic time on some great hunts!
RGD/Dave

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Gentlemen, Sounds like an interesting Grouse season opener, some advise for you guys who have young dogs, leave off shooting bumped birds, and make the dog do the work properly, if you want a good Grouse dog someday. I know its tough but to me good dog work is more important than Killing Grouse. Its...

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