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- Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:15 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Where to start?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2794
Re: Where to start?
My suggestion is the same as always, read all you can and familiarize yourself specifically with information on how dogs learn . If you clearly understanding how to teach your dog you can be successful with most of the published material on gun dog training. You might also search out a local trainin...
- Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:03 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: 8 Month Old - Potty Issue
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5198
Re: 8 Month Old - Potty Issue
How is he doing?
- Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:10 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: 8 Month Old - Potty Issue
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5198
Re: 8 Month Old - Potty Issue
Do you catch him in the act or find it later?
- Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:17 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
Im sorry whoadog, but you are not simply using the wing as a crutch for whoa training in the scenario described. You are using whoa to teach a dog to stand game. (whoadog heaves a heavy sigh) No, I'm not. Pavlov's dogs. Classic Conditioning. I use the wing to illicit an unconditioned response in th...
- Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:52 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: 8 Month Old - Potty Issue
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5198
Re: 8 Month Old - Potty Issue
As others have said, vet visit comes first. Am I correct in assuming we are talking about an intact male here? If there is no infection, the pup is becoming sexually mature at 8 months. Sometimes this can lead to marking in the house....besides the crate, is he peeing any place in particular? Is it ...
- Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:30 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
But if I read it right, you are taking peoples money to teach pointing dog pups to point No, the pointing is bred in. I take people's money to train basic commands at a very early age in a puppy. But, what would it matter if I was? I am not taking any style out of the dog,. They use their nose to p...
Re: SportDOG
I've had personal experiences with two, both lower end models purchased by family members. Both had battery problems and were exchanged within three months for more expensive collars from other brands. But, I have no experience with or opinion of the tek. As for customer service, both collars were a...
- Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:23 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why do you Force Fetch?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 12835
Re: Why do you Force Fetch?
T But perhaps we can get together sometime and do a bit of training? That would be interesting! I moved away from retrievers years ago although I do have a Lab I rescued from the needle in my kennel. I just might show up at a seminar sometime, but I'll pay my money just like everyone else to watch y...
- Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:18 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
My 4x NSTRA CH would never give the wing on a string a look I've had dogs that wouldn't give the wing a look either. For those I use training methods that are more mainstream. Not chasing a wing on the end of a flyrod indicates absolutely nothing about the potential of a puppy. I also find quite of...
- Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:09 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
So why do you bother buying a "pointing" dog? I think this question indicates that I have still not made it clear what my training goals are when i use the wing. They are not to "teach" the dog to point. Pointing is an innate behavior that nearly all dogs exhibit, the pause before the strike. A beh...
- Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:14 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
Once my dogs are broke i do not ever want to have to say whoa again Yes. Agreed. Truly finished dogs require little if any direction in the field. "Whoa" is a means to an end, not the end. slistoe wrote: Whoa is a command for a dog to stop and stand still till told to do something else. It's only r...
- Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:38 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Who doesn't use an e-collar?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 20304
Re: Who doesn't use an e-collar?
I don't use a collar in the initial phase of my training program and, with some dogs find it unnecessary. I do, however, condition every dog I train because it is such a wonderful tool for extending control. My philosophy is start young and make them think what you want is what they want. To this da...
- Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:17 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Some one who can explain it better than I can....
- Replies: 30
- Views: 10049
Re: Some one who can explain it better than I can....
This thread has been a hoot! Thanks to all who contributed. But, after reading, I am going to do my best to stay directly on task when I post on a thread. Amazing how these threads take on a life of their own.
- Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:09 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why do you Force Fetch?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 12835
Re: Why do you Force Fetch?
Evan,
I just looked at your profile and realized you are nearly a neighbor. Next time some one asks for ff I'll send them your way if that's ok with you.
I just looked at your profile and realized you are nearly a neighbor. Next time some one asks for ff I'll send them your way if that's ok with you.
- Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:05 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
Whoa is a command for a dog to stop and stand still till told to do something else. It's only real function specifically applied to pointing dogs is if you want the dog to have reliable manners after the flight of the bird. If you are not trying to teach manners after the flush it has no purpose. M...
- Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:49 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
For your hypothetical situation i would handle it differently, i would let the dog not standing the bird continue working and see what happens next. 1. Does the working dog establish point with out bumping the bird? 2. Does the working dog bump the bird and stop to flush while the standing dog stay...
- Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:14 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
I never mentioned the word whoa now did i No, what you said was: And why would anyone care about a pointing dog standing in a field in random places that the handler chooses ? We may be mincing words here, but, my concept of whoa is the dog is provided with a stimuli and from that stimuli he unders...
- Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:51 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why do you Force Fetch?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 12835
Re: Why do you Force Fetch?
And that is an example of my point. Having established a trained baseline for a performance standard from the beginning, those problems would not exist. I thoroughly agree with you here. Too often I gets dogs with established patterns of bad behavior. Why didn't you just say that in the first place...
- Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:34 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Some one who can explain it better than I can....
- Replies: 30
- Views: 10049
Re: Some one who can explain it better than I can....
Not what I was expecting but infinitely more entertaining. I've been feeling a bit crotchety lately when I've visited this site. I may keep coming back after all.
- Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:23 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
By the way Wisco, sorry for hijacking your thread. I guess I'm getting crankier as I approach my "senior" status and am less willing to stand shamefully in the shadows in more. Good luck with your dog no matter how you choose to train. There is nothing better in the world than to get invites to exce...
- Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:21 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
I do believe you have multiple NAVHDA chapters in your area.... but IMO nothing beats hands on help from a mentor. This is excellent advice and congruent to what try to say with new dog trainers. Learn how your dog learns, understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. If you can reach tha...
- Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:21 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
The wing on a string is nothing but entertainment for people it serves no real purpose It is also great entertainment for the dog which can be used just as effectively as food rewards. If you can't achieve results using the method it may be that you have never seen it done effectively. How do dogs ...
- Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:41 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Some one who can explain it better than I can....
- Replies: 30
- Views: 10049
Some one who can explain it better than I can....
So often on this site, I see posts about whether or not e-collars are used by those of us visiting the site. It makes me think that a good post on the fundamentals of effective e-collar use might be a good thing. I realize that when I try to explain something I often see it clearly in my own mind bu...
- Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:41 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why do you Force Fetch?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 12835
Re: Why do you Force Fetch?
Yes I do have a website. However, I have been discouraged from posting it on this forum in the past and will respect the moderator's request on that matter. However, I will update my profile so you can find it if you are interested.
- Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:59 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why do you Force Fetch?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 12835
Re: Why do you Force Fetch?
Force fetch has long been a special area of expertise in my work, and I've used that skill and experience to advance the process. For trainers who use force fetch I'm interested in helping them to better understand it and its components and purposes. I understand. But, you cherry-picked pieces of m...
- Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:58 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
Would you like to borrow my "training with mo" book? LOL, clever! Sight pointing is created by bad training habits and very poor timing. I do use whoa in the breaking process but never to stop a dog on the bird, only after the bird is flushed and the dog moves. lot's of different things will work b...
- Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:34 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
Well I fear we may be caught up in what whoa means but if you mean the word or any verbal command for whoa you wouldn't need me to show it...Mo, Jonesy, Higgins et al never utter the word. They are better than I and published already. I am speaking more about the concept than the actual command. A ...
- Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:58 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
Me too, but I have no problem at all with teaching "whoa" to produce a broke dog. In fact, if you can do it without I'd pay big money to learn it from you.Chukar12 wrote:If I have to "teach" or verbally command (whoa) a pointing dog to point...
- Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:58 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why do you Force Fetch?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 12835
Re: Why do you Force Fetch?
4. If FF is attempted with so-called "positive-only" (clicker-type) methods the trainer is only kidding himself. Force fetch requires force in order to achieve its core benefits. But remember, the word "force" does not imply an amount. I didn't say that I did not force the dog, only that I adapted ...
- Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:21 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
No, it's not. I have more than a few references if you would like to call them.Del Lolo wrote:Wing on a string is almost totally BS. get that dog on some real birds that it can't catch and that will fly away.
- Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:19 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
Whoadog point is that a pup that is continually set up for sight pointing eventually will not be happy with just pointing on scent. Is this your experience talking or someone else's? My experience is that some dogs will "keep roading", I call it creeping, and some will not. A good solid foundation ...
- Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:06 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Who doesn't use an e-collar?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 20304
Re: Who doesn't use an e-collar?
I do not "train with" an ecollar although I hang one every pup's neck that comes through the kennel from the very first session. I guess I am old school and my training program is done mostly in the yard utilizing leads and checkcords as well as other tools besides the collar. I actually use an old ...
- Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:43 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Why do you Force Fetch?
- Replies: 32
- Views: 12835
Re: Why do you Force Fetch?
1. Do you force fetch? Only when I find it absolutely necessary, I'm a pointing dog guy 2. Why do you force fetch? The most common reason is hardmouth. 3. What do you hope to gain from force fetching? A dog that will retrieve game in a manner fit for human consumption. 4. How do you go about it? I u...
- Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:30 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
What are you teaching with wing on a string? What I do with the wing is mostly a "play reward" for doing what I am asking the dog to do. For instance, I stop the chase game and give a recall command. The game does not start again until the pup lets me touch it. I work up to solid recall and not lea...
- Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:20 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Puppy Wont Point
- Replies: 67
- Views: 18199
Re: Puppy Wont Point
If I were you I would stop the "wing on a string". If it serves a purpose other than an amusement for the puppy owner, it is past the stage of being helpful At the risk of being ostrascized, censured, and outright shouted down, I respectfully disagree. The proper equipment used effectively can brin...
- Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:30 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: SHOOTING UNPOINTED BIRDS
- Replies: 89
- Views: 31328
Re: SHOOTING UNPOINTED BIRDS
Sorry for being late to the party but here's my contribution. Richard Wolters' on page 140 of Gundog is another that also said "no whoa, no bird". Given the strong feelings that resonate in the training community towards Wolters to this day that may or may not seem like a good source. Just out of c...
Re: chewer
3 years old and just started chewing?? That's a bit unusual. Have you looked at his teeth? It's possible he could have some gum disease started and is looking for relief.
- Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:57 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: need help training
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2146
Re: need help training
On e-collars: It is vital that you understand the proper application of an e-collar before you strap it on your dog and start zapping away. It is a tool that can greatly increase training efficacy. But, indiscriminate and thoughtless stimulation is a great way to ruin a dog. Always remember that the...
- Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:56 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Hawking With Gundogs
- Replies: 9
- Views: 4588
Re: Hawking With Gundogs
And yes, the dog and hawk quickly learn to work together with no help from me. I'm just a perch to hunt from. The hawk learns to follow and read the dog. She knows when the dog gets birdy and can even tell if the dog has ground scent or air scent. Just out of curiosity, do you suppose wild raptors ...
- Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:53 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Too Noisy for hunting
- Replies: 17
- Views: 6016
Re: Too Noisy for hunting
Pace on pheasant hunting, IMHO, is based on several things, the number of hunters, the number of dogs, and the willingness of the birds to sit tight. I started hunting with a group of guys about 5 years ago that are track stars in a pheasant field. The hunts I've been on with them have been the best...
- Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:32 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: DD owners or tracking breeds question for you guys
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2372
Re: DD owners or tracking breeds question for you guys
You are probably talking about crippled birds but, my dad was a night-hunter and ran hounds for 70+ years. Tracking in hounds is like pointing in certain breeds of bird dogs. It's more or less bred in and all a trainer really does is help the dog to polish that trait. What Dad always did was teach t...
- Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:53 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: trouble with a gsp
- Replies: 27
- Views: 33513
Re: trouble with a gsp
I personaly think the huntem up command is hooey,when you turn the dog loose he should hunt with out any command I use "ok" for a release command but some people I know use "hunt em up". I agree encouraging a dog to hunt is hooey. But, a release command is not nor is a command used to tell the dog ...
- Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:56 am
- Forum: Training
- Topic: A Question about gun proofing.
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1412
Re: A Question about gun proofing.
One of a retriever trainers best friends is a .22 cal retriever trainer. Problem solved. +1 Once a dog has been properly introduced to gunfire, I have never had a problem with returning to the level the dog was trained to even after a long break. The only time I can ever remember a problem was with...
- Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:54 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: SHOOTING UNPOINTED BIRDS
- Replies: 89
- Views: 31328
Re: SHOOTING UNPOINTED BIRDS
Sorry for being late to the party but here's my contribution. Richard Wolters' on page 140 of Gundog is another that also said "no whoa, no bird". Given the strong feelings that resonate in the training community towards Wolters to this day that may or may not seem like a good source. Just out of cu...
- Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:28 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Steady to wsf without whoa
- Replies: 22
- Views: 8746
Re: Steady to wsf without whoa
If you have trained him to associate the word "whoa" with sitting, why don't you just use a different word. My guess is though you may have a different issue going on.
As an aside, what kind of dog are we talking about.
As an aside, what kind of dog are we talking about.
- Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:39 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: training question
- Replies: 19
- Views: 5444
Re: training question
It really is that simple. If you can't shoot unpointed birds the dog is not properly trained. I absolutely agree with this statement and also with your "train every day" statement. I think where we differ is in training styles and maybe not even very much there. These days I do so much yard work th...
- Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:25 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Is my dog a dud.. or just a different style?
- Replies: 50
- Views: 35381
Re: Is my dog a dud.. or just a different style?
That was me. It was actually said tongue in cheek. I apologize if you were offended. Congrats on the progress.QuailHollow wrote:I trashed it months ago. People thought I was trying to sell pups, so I deleted it and removed the link.
- Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:23 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Dog is gun shy, very badly
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3801
Re: Dog is gun shy, very badly
Some people may disagree with this but I honestly believe there is a genetic component to being gun shy. I will also say there could be environmental factors that may contribute as well and I do a proper introduction to gunfire with all pups at my kennel If not genetic, then at least influenced by ...
- Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:20 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: training question
- Replies: 19
- Views: 5444
Re: training question
[What happens when you miss? What do they learn then? I don't miss! :P I actually set up launchers with birds that can fly until I start to see the dog start to break down and point. Then I load them with wing clipped birds once I am certain I can get a staunch point. That way even when I miss, I d...
- Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:07 pm
- Forum: Training
- Topic: Best E-Collar for the buck
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5772
Re: Best E-Collar for the buck
If price is a concern, you can sometimes find a really good collar for a very reasonable price on ebay. My latest collar is a two dog dt system that appears to have only had one of the collars used on a dog. I gave the same price two years ago for what it would have cost me to replace the transmitte...