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Sorry for your loss Sharon. Cherish the time you had with her.

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Kim Sampson is who I use. You can trust her with any dog. Pm me if you want her number.

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I've used the Nutrisource Performance 30/20 and think it is better at keeping weight on a dog than PPP 30/20. Wish I could get it at the same price as the PPP.

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Al, I fed 30/25 and admittedly did not give the dogs a real chance to get used to it, like recommended. I would consider it again if it were more accessible. I think it's a great food, along with the 32/32, but I don't want to buy a pallet or half pallet at a time to get the price break.

Steve

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Okay, sorry Mr. Hubbard. I jest. I actually take my dog's food very seriously, but I also try to keep it economical. I believe, from my experience, that Purina Pro Plan is a good quality food regardless of what some folks say about it negatively, and 30/20 has always been good to my dogs. They also ...

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Haha, love 'em! I keep the best ones in a jar on the windowsill to remind me how important corn gluten is in my dogs diet

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HaHaHa, this is just for fun right??? I'll bite... I feed different foods throughout the year and have been using Pro Plan 26/18 lately, but will be going back to 30/20 when it runs out. Just can't keep weight on my 8 month old pup even giving some raw supplement. Love the stools I get with the 30/2...

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It must be getting hard for newcomers to know where to find good gundog breeders and it must be getting harder all the time. Really keen newcomers want really good pups so they naturally go to strong field trial breeding where there is a high success rate. They can buy a pup but they cannot buy the...

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Train a dog to point and wonder why they have so many unproductives (or an older, better phrase, "false points"). And the worst....fixing tails. What a shame!! It's all about greed and instant gratification. I'll stick with breeding natural bird dogs with extreme intensity. My kind of style!

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My pointers will average between 8 and 14 miles an hour on flat ground depending on how many points they get, according to my Astro. On steep hills it drops significantly. I figure they typically cover about 3 times the distance I do, sometimes more. Bill, you could actually prove how great the raw ...

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Can't say there's any difference in their looks or behavior, but I feel better giving it to them

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Chicken bi-product meal, and fish meal I think would be considered meat, but I'll give you that it doesn't sound ideal. My dogs love the sardines and I'm trying to feed them one or two every day. Except I went to WY to run them for 3 days and didn't bother to take the fish along.

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Gotta give you credit for your persistence Bill

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Hmmmm, that CCG sounds like some good sh!t. Wish I could try it here in UT.

Steve

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My current 8 month old pup is a hunting maniac and will be 500 yards out before you get your vest on. But, he figured out the stake out chain in 5 minutes and is perfectly quiet on it. I don't train my pups at all until they get to this point and then will very lightly nick him way out there just to...

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One of the many things that I will do that shows intelligence as well as how mailable a young pup may be, is by putting them on the stakeout chain with other dogs. At 9-10 weeks old they can show you a lot of what they will be like as older pups or adults. I like the ones that fight it, but quickly ...

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""that questions a new experience rather than boldly charging in""

A sign of intelligence! What are other things you do to test intelligence?

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So i plan on getting my first bird dog puppy within the next year and I only hunt for grouse and woodcock, my question is When im looking for a breeder with puppies does it matter whether the dogs parents have been trained on pheasants and never seen a grouse in their lives? Would it be difficult t...

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Bill, I will read through that section again, but like I said I was paraphrasing. Carnivores cannot eat anything and everything and survive. Dogs, and omnivores can.

I agree with Shags, time for closure!!!!! So we can start another food thread

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To paraphrase some supposition on the subject of canine origin by Raymond and Lorna Coppinger, our " dogs" are very much removed from their distant ancestral wolves, and for many millennium were village dogs that survived as perfect omnivores on human scraps and waste. Their book, "Dogs, A Startling...

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Spy Car wrote:Stick to the sardines

Bill

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What would you say causes it? Obviously the fish, but why?

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Okay, now I know many of you won't believe me (ezzy?) but this is the third day I have given my dogs sardines (2 oz approx 1 fish) about three hours before their normal kibble meal, and now they are absolutely ravenous towards their kibble. I say ezzy may not believe it because a while back I stated...

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I can guarantee you my dogs love the corn!! But they love pigeon poop more

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Just to be more clear, my pigeons were from racing stock and were healthy. Also, the droppings are now old (at least two months, some years), dried, and small, even though there are loads of them. I don't think anything could be alive in them now. Shags, can these bacteria live in old dried dropping...

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I have had pigeons for years, but recently got rid of them. My dogs keep digging under the loft for the poop as they are crazy for it. I'm guessing it's high in nitrogen since it's green?? Just wondering if it is dangerous for them to eat, at higher levels?? They love it more than anything. Thanks i...

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Self employed! But spend way too much time on the internet.

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Like Codym asked, what kind of traits are you looking for in a prospect?? Serious breeders are breeding for certain traits and until you determine what specific traits you are looking for in a dog, you will not know direction to start looking. You can buy pointers all day long on gundog central if a...

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I challenge anyone to take a look at what the large plantation owners, top retriever and field trialers, and the top confirmation individuals are feeding. Thus, there is a reason why the TOP operations are feeding what they are feeding. We should all strive to have top performers in the back of our...

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On a lighter note, my dogs loved the sardines

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Our hot chicks are not real plentiful, but since I've been married now 28 years I don't care so much. However, I remember when I was in high school I couldn't wait for spring to hit because as soon as the thermometer hit 60 degrees the bikinis came out!! Our ethnic grocery stores are about as plenti...

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Thing is, most people aren't looking for a winning strategy, as the vast majority of bird dog owners don't compete with them. But, some folks may want to give their charges the best possible nutrition to accomplish their work. Nothing wrong with that and I'd also go as far to say if you haven't trie...

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I will see what I can come up with and try it on my 8 month old pup. The other dogs will freak out though because they all love raw. Maybe I'll add some sardines to their diet just as a snack;-) I did find a source for sardines at a good price, but I had to purchase a minimum of 25 cubic tons :lol: ...

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Spy Car wrote:
SCT wrote:Bill, I hear you! You've explained this before and I appreciate it, but.......I guess we do just keep going in circles
What do you mean? Is there something I can try to make clear?

Bill

No, crystal clear

I just can't do the raw thing with 4 dogs. Time and freezer space;-)

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However, if I had just one dog, I may be more inclined to try a fully raw diet!

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Bill, I hear you! You've explained this before and I appreciate it, but.......I guess we do just keep going in circles

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polmaise wrote:
SCT wrote:but isn't that what we are discussing here? Canine athleticism???
Hmmm , not really .
SCT wrote: A good read nonetheless!

Okay, how about nutrition as it pertains to performance?

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If the dogs had the same option of supply I'm sure they wouldn't choose some of that stuff scientifically in a bag . Perhaps ? :) Would they be looking at ingredient labels??? I don't know??? It doesn't matter, we are talking about performance levels here, and dogs are....well...dogs! My older dogs...

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Depends on the dog and time of year. 2-4 cups should make it easy :wink: Here is a recipe: 1/2 cup PPP 30/20 2 ounces. Sardines, Raw 1 Chicken Drumstick, raw (~4 ounces) 1/2 teaspoon Coconut Oil 1/2 teaspoon Canola Oil Total Calories = 483 (1 cup PPP 30/20 is 475) Calories from: 51% Fat 35% Protein...

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Saw this on another social media and even though it's 13 years old I thought it went along well with what others have posted here. Sometimes through the arguments the quality of the whole program is lost, so being able to copy this explanation makes it easier for me. Note: the Dr. in the interview ...

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I didn't mean all noses are equal, but I believe the brain is where the real work is done in finding birds.

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I agree that lean and muscular is ideal.

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Bill, wouldn't feeding raw maximize growth rate? Only if the puppy is fed excessive calories. Otherwise, no. Bill I feed my litters high calorie puppy food starting when weaning begins. If I keep a puppy out of a litter I feed the puppy food until 12 weeks old. Then I cut calories because I've noti...

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Bill, wouldn't feeding raw maximize growth rate?

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Depends on the dog and time of year. 2-4 cups should make it easy

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Al, I'll take you up on that but I'll put you to task and see where it goes. Here's 3 types that I've fed this last year. PPP 30/20, Nutrisource performance 30/20, and PPP 26/16. All three are chicken based and corn on the two Purina brands but the Nutrisource may have been rice. I'd love to know wh...

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Thanks Slistoe, I will read it when I get a chance. The second sentence, that starts with "Common sense...." is a good one Purina could use for their products eh?? :D I would like to see a study that works pointers on treadmills as a comparison, and i don't mean a slow treadmill. I mean one of those...

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Field trial retrievers represent one of the most competitive and highly conditioned groups of dogs known. Modern training methods have allowed dogs to continue impressive feats during field trials and to persist in pushing the performance envelope. The dogs running today are not the same as those w...

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So, a fellow I know stopped in a few days ago. He was upland hunting in his traditional areas for the past 2 weeks. He found himself dogless this year but borrowed a red setter from a friend in the city. This 7 year old dog hadn't seen the outside of a city dog park in its life, but it was a well b...

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I have always questioned how do we rate noses. My dilemmas is does one dog have a better nose or do they just react differently to scent? I kind of lean towards the 2nd option especially in a young dog. It's not nearly as much about the nose as it is the brain. The brain, and respectfully the body ...

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