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My setter showed signs of Lyme in mid-December. The only tick that I know attached to my setter was picked off in early to mid September. So that is about 3 months between tick bite and showing symptoms.

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My setter had Lyme disease while on the vaccine and being treated with Frontline Plus. For the next couple years the vet said he'd feel like he was stealing from me if I gave my setter the vaccine. Well last fall when I took her in for Anaplasmosis the vet said research now recommends giving a dog t...

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This is from the Amateur Shooting Dog trial this weekend. I was a judge. The dog on point is a brittany with a gorgeous setter backing.

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Quite an accomplishment.

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After the dog trial this weekend, which my setter got 2nd in the Open Shooting Dog, I took my dog out with my father and his brittanies. We found several quail and a lot of them were in some thick nasty cover. Getting the birds to flush out of there was difficult. Here's one of the many points. http...

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I have a remote backing dog and it really helped my setter. I still use my father's brittanies to help train backing, but the remote backing dog offered a more controlled setting and I could train by myself.

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From this afternoon. I posted a video of the point in the training section.

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The third video is a quail that runs at my setter and then flushes right at my setter. Like the last video this has happened with wild birds, but it is not common and I really can't plan for it. With poor flying pen raised quail this is a lot more common. I happened twice this afternoon. Now I wasn'...

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The trial I had been planning on attending this weekend was cancelled due to weather so I decided to take some quail and do some training instead. I'd much rather run on wild birds, but pen raised birds offer some challenges that wild birds rarely offer a dog. Below are three videos from today that ...

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probably the whole issue is over the use of the word "complete" I am sure you could remove it for the point to be more accurate. I would still have an issue with the statement. The words that make the following statement nonsense are "while hunting". Retriever training is all about complete control...

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I train my labs to the highest level there is. I train with experienced "field trialers" as well as "hunt test" groups. AKC retriever field trials don't involve/require any kind of upland hunting, nor does AKC hunt tests, but NAHRA and UKC retriever hunt tests do in the upper levels. In the "off" s...

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birddog1968 wrote:Why wouldn't you grange?

The same reason I don't want to totally control my setter.

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ezzy333 wrote:To keep them in gun range is the main reason.

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Keeping a dog in gun range is far from total control. The retrievers I grew up with and my current retriever often stay in gun range without having to whistle or call them in. There is a lot more cooperation than control.

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Retriever training is all about complete control of your dog while hunting. Pointer training is all about creating an independent dog while hunting. Best joke of the day -- Thanks for the laugh :lol: ... :lol: Don't know why this is so funny - actually it's pretty accurate based on my experience. I...

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I've fed both and my dogs did better on PP. They had more stamina with PP than TOTW.

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I went with my father to train with his brittany club. It was a good group of people and they had some nice dogs. Here are some pictures. Beside quail we also found a few woodcock. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/P4190029.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/P4190032...

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ezzy333 wrote:Retriever training is all about complete control of your dog while hunting.

No it is not.

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I prefer hunting behind pointing dogs rather than flushers, but I grew up with retrievers and hunted them with good results on grouse and woodcock. I currently hunt my lab with my english setter and a better combination I can't imagine. A good flusher often lets you know when it's on a bird and mine...

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Tico pointing a grouse. She was 257 yards out when she went on point. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/P4100002.jpg Tico pointing another grouse. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/P4100004.jpg Tico pointing woodcock. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/P41...

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From this morning's run.

CH JD's Hawk's Phoenix, backing my setter, Tico on a woodcock.

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I went out twice this weekend. My setter, Tico was noticeably tired today, which means she needs work on her stamina. We still had some long points and her range was good, but her tail set was low and her speed was down a little, which is a sign of being tired.Yesterday we had 9 birds, 8 woodcock an...

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First woodcock of the season. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/IMG_0208.jpg The accompanying video. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/th_MVI_0209.jpg Another woodcock that day. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/IMG_0225.jpg Accompanying video. http://i98...

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For me it's my lab and my setter. Works great though my lab is getting old so I'm unfortunately going to have to cut back on her outings.

This is from yesterday. It's my lab backing/honoring my setter's point of a woodcock.

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Tico pointing a grouse.

Finally my lab.

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Tico pointing a grouse. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/IMG_0213.jpg The video. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/th_MVI_0214.jpg Tico pointing a woodcock. I tried to zoom in on the woodcock, but it didn't really work well. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summi...

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Summit backing Tico's point on a woodcock. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/IMG_0227.jpg The point. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/IMG_0228.jpg The video http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/th_MVI_0229.jpg Tico pointing a woodcock. http://i98.photobucke...

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I went out on Sunday with my father and we came up empty. I was on day early because my dad found two on Monday. I went out tonight for an hour, which was the first chance I could and found a bunch of them and a couple grouse for added enjoyment. My setter's manners weren't perfect, but not bad cons...

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Welcome to ruffed grouse hunting. That is a question I often ask myself.

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Glad you had fun. My father runs brittanies in grouse trials and his dogs have made a name for themselves because of how well the do. One is a CH because of a grouse trial. Up this way however we're having another tough spring. The first trial was scheduled for next weekend, but has been cancelled. ...

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So...would it be fair to say that all things being equal the dog that runs bigger, wider, farther ahead will win.....eventually leading to dogs we can't see but can find and don't judge during "game acquisition" or whether they ran over birds, blew out birds etc?? Sounds to me like every handler go...

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I don't remember exactly how old my setter was, but she I think she was around 18 months. I had my lab spade at 8 months before she had her first heat cycle.

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I'm so jealous right now. We got another 2+ inches of snow yesterday. It's above freezing today so hopefully it's melting. At least I saw my first migration of robins this week. We'll head out again this weekend to see how the snow cover is doing.

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For me with when I trained my lab by the time she was a year old I had her reliably handlings on multiple marked retrieves and less complicated blinds. I could stop her and tell her which way to side turn around with a whistle and hand signals. I could control her direction with hand signals. By the...

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Took the dogs out yesterday to see how much snow was still on the ground. We went to an area where we've had past success finding birds during this time of year. There was still a foot of snow on the grouse on the open ground and more in the woods. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/IM...

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Here's a recent picture of the family cottage. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/Summit_02/picasabackground-009.jpg Everything except the plumbing was done by the family. It was a pain in the butt at the time but now we all have fond memories of the work. We still talk about putting up the trus...

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True. I didn't even know there was an AKC collar color rule until I judged a Vizsla trial, They are not only the same color, nearly the same size, they are gaited alike. :lol: I judged a puppy stake once with 11 dogs entered. 6 of them were Red Setters from the same litter being run by the Pro. I a...

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I've got pictures of my setter and lab running on grouse one year ago today. This I'm at least a week away before I can think about getting into the woods. The woodcock are probably about 10 days or more from making it up this way.

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I posted this pictured in the general forum dogs on point thread as well. Spring hasn't arrived though it is 40+ degrees today. Still well more than a foot (probably at least 2 feet in the woods). I went to the game farm yesterday and took this picture. Break through the top layer of snow and you'll...

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If the dog is doing that he is not blinking he is stealing. Does a dog that blinks a bird circle around it and try to get it pointed from the other side? In my example the dog is both blinking and stealing point. I've also seen dogs that when they blink a back they slow down rather than keep speed ...

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Took the dogs out to the game farm to chase a couple pheasant. I forgot my camera so I used my cell phone.

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If the dog is not near the other dog on point then blinking wouldn't be an issue. A blinking dog won't be near the other dog for very long - or it wouldn't be a blink. So.... non-issue. Not necessarily true. I've seen dogs that blink basically do a circle around the dog and some will also try to go...

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If the dog is close enough to potentially be in harms way, it is close enough to be stopped with a whoa regardless of whether it has seen or is aware of the other dog pointing. For a dog that is a true blinker this in unlikely - the dog will be hunting his own ground. As for the distraction - the d...

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To me in a hunting situation if a dog blinks a back it is distracting when hunting. God knows I have a hard enough time hitting a grouse when I'm fully focused so the distraction makes it even harder.

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Being in New York you should contact Grouse Ridge Kennels in New York. They are well know for quality English Setters. http://grouseridgesetters.com/ Another website I like because it has links to several English Setter Kennel Websites is: http://trialdog.blogspot.com/ I grew up with retriever and g...

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I have three DT launchers. The basic metal mechanism is decent quality for the purpose. But the weakness seems to be the electronics. They were working fine last summer when I put them back in their original boxes and in a cabinet in my garage. I never got them wet and they've only been used a hand...

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I run my dog's backing drills with a remote control pop-up silhouette since she had already been trained to back/honor on a live dog usually with multiple launchers. The method I described with a tethered bird was when I was out of town and my friend didn't have a launcher. It can be done without a...

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I have never had to specifcally train for it. I just work two dogs in the bird field, one points the other is whoaed into a back. Then repeat. I have not had a dog in 30 years that acted like it wanted to back. It might be my fault in how I train. The last 3 would blink a back at 300 yards, and onl...

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I echo what many have written. My setter isn't a natural backer so I tried different things. What ended up working for me was using a remote backing dog, bird launcher and pigeons. I planted the launcher with the pigeon in an area where I know my setter would see the backing dog before she could sce...

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I love a poor flying pen raised bird for training bird manners. Have a do stand while a planted bird flushes up in the air a short distance and then lands right in front of it and then either stands there or walk around the dog. All the while the dog is standing there watching. Talk about pressure ...

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