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This is going to be my first grouse season with a pointing dog. She's an EP pup just turning 1. Got her at 8 mo's old. not really sure what to expect from her the first year, and I'm trying not to get my hopes up. We're both still learning... I was wondering if some of the more experienced fellers c...

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First time I put a bell on my pointer she stood holding her neck out so it wouldn't ring for over half an hour... it was hilarious. :lol: didn't want to torment her tho' so I got a tiny little one that was small and just made a little sound. I let her wear it all day around the house. She didn't lik...

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Dogtra & Sportdog both make good collars I'm sure. don't knock 'em a bit. But I just went thru your same delema. I have done a ton of looking, asking and checking on all types of collars. In the end I went with the Tritronics Sport Basic G3. Same as you, I didn't want to break the bank. Lion Country...

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Any dog that you put the effort and TIME into... pick one that fits what, and where you are hunting, find a reputable breeder and put the effort into building on what they bred... You can get the best bred dog in the world, but if you don't put in the time and effort, it won't be a good hunting dog,...

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very true!.. it's tuff to do, but well worth it by the time the dog is two years old... plus when you start putting him on birds, the morning seems to be better IMHO because the scent holds better... the dogs seem to catch on or figgure it out just a little quicker... at least that seems to be the c...

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Keep your sessions short and always end on a good note... if you end your session and feel like you could have pushed it a little farther... you ended on time. Don't over do it. If the dog is learrning quickly, you may be able to do a session in the morning and one in the evening, but just let the p...

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triplebbirddog wrote:consistancey and praise.

and PATIENCE!... the dog is born with his... learn yours!..

oh... and don't bet on boxers that cross their legs between rounds...

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Thanks for all of the suggestions! We had a good weekend and are making progress... I'll keep ya posted!

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Thanks RayG... I see the point to unnecessary steps... I want to avoid them if at all possible. But this dog was unsocialized and has a real attention problem. Having her on a wobbely table gives me her undivided attention. It's amazing how quickly they figgure out what you want when they want off t...

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ok... thanks. we're doing better... I actually used the table to get her used to her bell. The first time I put it onher she bellied out and wouldn't move. I put her on the table and stood back and rang it behind my back. She eventually calmed down and now she'll wear it without a flinch... I think ...

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Thanks... to both posts... the table does not have ramps, as it's low enough for her to jump up, but I think if I put them on it she may be led up onto it with less resistance... how do you use it for force fetching? She's not quite ready for that yet, but I'm sure we will come to that bridge soon e...

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I have a question about the use of a training table... my pointer pup hates it, but that's typical from everything I've read & been told. I can't get her to jump up on it at all and have to physically place her on it. Once she's on it, she is workable... but if it's in the yard, she won't even go an...

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I see in my last post that I should have also added that timidness is not her only issue. She seems to have a mind of her own and is very good at ignoring commands... The will to please does not seem very strong, but I am attributing alot of that to her early development or lack of it... I hope to s...

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BigShooter... I may have such a dog. I don't know yet, I think it's too early to tell. I've been seeking advise on her "issues" on several other posts, but she's a 10 month old EP that we were given. Good breeding, but she was a runt that spent her first 8 months in the kennel with very little socia...

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"I ate duck and upland birds almost exclusively last year for 6 weeks while I was out there. Some nights I ate the choice pieces and the dogs got the scraps. BTW I lost 23 lbs in that time 8)" birddog1968... That's a great idea!!! now all I gotta do is talk my wife into letting me go on this "new" d...

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Chukar12... really.. it's ok to call me Shortfat... my wife's a great cook... I'm not really that fat yet, but I'm workin' on it! "beauty in a hunting dog is in the eye of the beholder...when you pay money for someone else to judge it; the agenda changes." - BINGO! I've known guys that loved ugly wo...

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Advice is the most dangerous gift one can give... and most perilous gift to receive... I think it's best to make up your own mind based on what you see and experience. I'm sure some dogs are washouts, but perhaps they may have been a passable grouse dog to another hunter. It depends on what you want...

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I tried to upload a picture of Ruff and my son when they were about 6, but I couldn't get it to post. I'll keep trying...

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Well... It's been two weeks now and I can finally type this without tearin' up. We had to put down our companion of 14 1/2 years on July 8th. He was a black lab that I brought home when my son was only 3 months old. Ruff was one month younger than Nathan. My wife could've killed me! But I told her.....

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ok... how bout instead of a recon'd TT I just go with a new G3 Sport Basic for starters and then upgrade later if I think I need to?.. do many guys use this collar and is it sufficient for training a pointer?

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That's possible... but who ever heard of a dog that didn't like hot dogs??? She's not even crazy about the treats. I suppose it's a good thing if it means that I can't use the food reward as a crutch, because now if she does do what I want, it's because she WANTS to do what I want... it just means I...

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yes mostly anyway. we only had the pointer for a few weeks tho when the lab's stomach twisted and he had to be put down. training times were short but progress was good and both dogs really loved it. we're still making progress... but some days she is a complete brick. :roll:

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Well maybe someone can figgure this one out... I was using hotdogs cut thin with my 9 month old pointer and everything was going great. My old lab remembered things we hadn't done in years. My lab died and now the pup won't touch the hot dogs! I've switched to dog treats and it's going ok... but not...

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"I like my dogs, but want to keep my wife happy" ... man... someone could write a book on a statement like that... 8) our lab wasn't allowed on the couch but he would sneak it if no one was home... well once he got old, he lost alot of his hearing and us coming home wouldn't wake him up... then he'd...

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ok... the current delema at our house with the new pup is... do we let her on the couch or not? :? our old lab Ruff was not... although he was known to sneak a nap or two when no one was paying attention... but he was 90 lbs and the pointer pup won't get that big so... what's the rules at your house...

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My daughter runs on the Cross Country team at her college and they frequently run in central Ohio... We make a couple of weekend trips to see her run... does anyone know of good public land access for grouse or pheasant in Ohio?..

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Has anyone had any experience with Dads Dog Food? We fed it to our lab for 14 years with no problems. The vet told us he was in perfect health and his diet added years onto the end of his life... We live in a rural area and some brands are not available with out a trip...

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Sorry... but I did say it was without a dog, and i'm sure there were many more grouse in the area... It's very different terrain here than in Ontario, and the grouse here are not found in herds... just trying to help and certainly didn't mean to impune Ontario's honor... :wink: I'd like to head nort...

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That is really cool... gotta love old dogs and pups together... have a 10 month old pointer and we just lost our lab of 14 1/2 years... thanks for posting that pic... made me go back thru our photos of Ruff when our kids were little.

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Yup... I live in and hunt the National Forest around the McKean and Warren County area. We have alot of grouse right now. I went and got my first bird dog this year because the deer have been thinned out and I would rather pusue the challenges and excitement of grouse... took a long walk last year a...

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hee hee hee... we gots grouse bigger 'n bobcats... don't even hafta shoot'em, just bop'em on the head!!! they're jumpin' up & down on the banks yellin "take me... take me!!!"...

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ok... silence is deafining... i'll take that as a stay away from dt?..

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You're right the New York side is largely overlooked and it does have alot to offer. Have some friends that hunt deer across the border, but I can't say about the grouse. It may just be a forgotten gem... The Pa side has seen a decline in population tho. McKean County only has about 45,000 residents...

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I can't say for sure, cuz I've never hunted New York, but the National Forest is managed the same on both sides of the state line, so I have to imagine that it's got to be pretty good. There is alot more public hunting access in Pa tho', so unless the License fees in New York are alot less... are yo...

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Don't overlook Northwest Pennsylvania. The Alleghany National Forest has some outstanding grouse habitat right now. You can check with the US Forest Service at 814-726-129, the Pa Bureau of Forestry at 814-647-8901, or the Pa Game Commission at 814-432-3187. One of them should be able to give you th...

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Does anyone know anything about or use DT Systems? From what I've read their "MAXX-Range internal antenna system" uses FM signal and is better than just "Line of sight". Are they junk or a bargin?

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Thanks for the input... it may help if I say what dog I'm putting it on and what I'm looking for out of the collar... It's for a 10 month old EP. I will be hunting grouse in rough timber in NW Pa. Looking to keep the dog relatively close without impeading her desire to go hard... but I also want to ...

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Thanks tn red... I'm leaning that way. Anyone with any experience with DT or Dogtra? I can get basically the same functions and range on them for the cost of a recon'd TT. Seems to me that most people prefer the TT's. Are they that much better than the others?

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I would like any input on the reconditioned Tri Tronics e-collars that are on the Collar Clinic website... They seem like a pretty good deal. I am trying to make up my mind between a recon'd TT or new DT, or Dogtra with the 1 mile range... Honest product reviews are tough to come by, so please feel ...

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If i didn't know better I'd think that was my pup!!! Where'd ya get her? She's a looker...

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Good grief... we just went thru this at our house for days on end... get this... "Fiona"... I'm gonna sound like a moron yellin that!!! :oops: My daughter just got back from Ireland recently and she picked Fiona because it's Galic for "white".. IE... Miller... the White dogs... What the heck am I go...

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Thanks Sharon... I guess my next task will be learning everything I can about training with a check cord... this dog is going to be a real challenge and I think I may be in over my head. My last dog was a lab that had a desire to please and training was almost too easy... our pup was left in the ken...

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i'm sorry... was that a stupid question or should i start a new thread to address it?.. and at what age should you start using the collar, or does it depend more on the dog's development at the time?..

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I know TT is suppose to be the best, but does DT make a good collar? it's tuff to find any reviews of the products you can trust... The price difference is astounding and right now, cost matters... just lookin fer a good collar at a reasonable price. From everything I've read about my new English Po...

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Thanks... I think patience is the biggest thing... it really seems like she wants to do things, she's just scared to... Fortunately my son is just playin at whatever she wants to do today... she's warming up to him nicely...

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ok folks... I'm new to the whole world of pointers so... be gentel with my ignorance... We got a 9 month old english pointer and she has not really been worked with. She spent too much time in the kennel and not enough time being socialized I think. She wants to bond, but she is really skittsh and t...

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Thanks for the feedback folks... we got the pup from On Point Kennels in Marrionville, Pa. I'll post a bunch about her soon... but last night my 14 year old Lab "Ruff" had to be put down. His stomach twisted and he was in a real bad way. The whole family sat 'round him on the living room floor and c...

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Hey there... I'm new to the site and i know nothing... and i mean NOTHING about pointing dogs other than i love to watch them work... i have a friend with a couple of good setters and he has taken my son and i out a few times and we always have a great time... last week i picked up a 9 month old eng...

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