You'll have to ask Bernie that question, not me.Yawallac wrote:
Killing birds for bird dogs? What a ludicrous idea...
My understanding is that the problem was "killing birds for points" not necessarily "killing birds for bird dogs".
what's the difference?
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- Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:12 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
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Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:10 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
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Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
Yawallac wrote: That looks just like our piney woods ...only different. http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s55/dgfavor/UpThereSomewhere.jpg Ross, that is exactly what the trial grounds look like in the Nev/Northern Ca. region. Pretty much the same in Neb.too. Don't have a pic or I would post it. Sc...
- Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:32 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Next year's Derby.
- Replies: 19
- Views: 5880
Re: Next year's Derby.
On the breeding, who owns "Kraftman's Ko Kane"? Her owner wishes to remain anonyomous, so I can not say (It's a Miller thing :D) I see you have Molly that is a product of Kraftman's Ko Kane and Miller and you have Jack that is a nick of Kraftman's Ko Kane and Guard Rail. Which do you think worked b...
- Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:41 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
- Views: 82808
Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
That looks just like our piney woods ...only different.
- Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:36 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Next year's Derby.
- Replies: 19
- Views: 5880
Re: Next year's Derby.
The BAMA started today. The IN is next and then George heads north. I assume the MI, Egypt, Keystone, Canadian, etc. We'll send two north, not sure who will be going with Jack yet. Rocky, Ace and Cooper are trying to earn a ride.
- Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:19 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Next year's Derby.
- Replies: 19
- Views: 5880
Re: Next year's Derby.
Those aren't roads, they're fire breaks. Dang Mid-westerners!! :D BTW, guess what? Did you see that our " This year's Derby" just qualified for the National Shooting Dog Championship yesterday? That's Jack, my avatar, he placed 2nd in the Dixie Derby Classic (1 hr) and then finished 2nd in the Natio...
- Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:17 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Next year's Derby.
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- Views: 5880
Re: Next year's Derby.
Thanks everybody. I'm surprised that no one asked if I could milk him! :D Just bred him to this Miller female to see what he can produce ...and to clean him up a bit. :wink: Molly (Miller's Ghost Rider x Kraftsman's Ko Kane) http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=1602 http://www.caladenkenn...
- Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:34 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Next year's Derby.
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- Views: 5880
Next year's Derby.
Jake will be 1 year old on the 23rd of this month. He will be our featured Derby for next season. I took this video today because Doug hates stacked pics. He's just a pup, so he'll make a mistake or two ...but he's not too bad. :D First find - about 25 birds got up and I didn't shoot right away beca...
- Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:25 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
- Views: 82808
Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
My understanding is that the problem was "killing birds for points" not necessarily "killing birds for bird dogs".Killing birds for bird dogs? What a ludicrous idea...
- Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:16 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
- Views: 82808
Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
Duane, you're right, the last NBHA Championship that I ran in was the ft season before the retrieve requirement was lifted. Even then, it was only one bird shot on the course for the retrieve. More recently, the United Bird Hunters tried to get AF recognition but couldn't because Bernie said no kill...
- Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:20 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
- Views: 82808
Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
Scott, without it, you lost AF recognition. That was probably a tough decision....it was not working , so why pay for it.
BTW, as far as I know the NBHA still shoots birds (a bird) on the course in Championships. At least they did two years ago in the last NBHA Championship that I ran in. ???
- Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:58 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: TheFieldTrialer.com
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- Views: 2444
TheFieldTrialer.com
Not a competing site, just another forum that might interest the field trial crowd. (happy)
http://www.thefieldtrialer.com
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http://www.thefieldtrialer.com
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- Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:41 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
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Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
That's because he's ahead of his time.I don't hear of a well worn path to his door to breed to his VC or buy a pup.
- Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:33 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
That's because I spell like a 6th Grader!Actually Ross I have seen you refer to them as "anologies" in 2 separate posts when I think you actually mean "analogies" but hey who is keeping count.
- Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:03 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: How many? X-Ray pic!!
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Re: How many? X-Ray pic!!
This was their first meal off of momma last week. http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/sarah_guardrail/firstmeal.jpg Sharon, won't see 13 because we lost 4. I whelped the litter in a whelping box in the house rather than our whelping building because I wanted to give them "special care". I think th...
- Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:23 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
I thought his post with the redundant anologies was condescending. I responded in kind.Ross was rude.
Your post made me smile.
- Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:11 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
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Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
You start telling us about the dogs you are breeding to that have excelled in NAVADA instead of field trials and then I will quietly turn around and not go there. Ezzy Then you better start turning around because when ckirsch puts a VC on his UT PI male, we'll be breeding to it. That dog has an All...
- Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:07 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
- Views: 82808
Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
Lets use Ross for example how many pups does he raise a year and how many AA champions has it produced? This is only year two for this kennel and we are way ahead of schedule. Give me some time and you'll see how many we produce. :wink: it takes a special dog to make an AA dog not every dog is cut ...
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:30 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
- Replies: 241
- Views: 82808
Re: The ridiclious use of the term "close working NSTRA lines."
Ut oh, don't go there Ezzy. My avatar is the one of biggest running dogs on George Tracy's string and he earned a NAVHDA NA PII 107.
I think Hustonmc's post is spot on. A biddable Pointer, with all the tools, can do whatever you ask it to do.
Pointers are so misunderstood.
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I think Hustonmc's post is spot on. A biddable Pointer, with all the tools, can do whatever you ask it to do.
Pointers are so misunderstood.
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- Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:10 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
Tom, I have been battling Pointer stereotypes for years, whether it be from people that think all Pointers are run-offs, Pointers won't retrieve, Pointers can't swim, Pointers are aloof, Pointers aren't affectionate and more. It also carries over to lines and I think that the Elhew line gets a bad r...
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:04 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
I trust these individuals to give me accurate information much like you probably trust the government to give you accurate information about politics or lawyers to give you accurate information about legal issues or doctors to give you accurate info. about medical issues or mechanics to give you ac...
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:56 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
Here is what I "gleened" from your post. You write like a 6th grader.
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:58 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: elhew hannabelle
- Replies: 30
- Views: 12936
Re: elhew hannabelle
My avatar was braced with her in her most recent Championship win. She is so beautiful that I think Jack tried to show off and ran completely off the course! Young dogs, what are you gonna do!?
She is one good looking Pointer!!
She is one good looking Pointer!!
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:35 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: NEF Blank Pistols
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2257
Re: NEF Blank Pistols
Do you have contact info?
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- Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:12 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
Would you suggest a 1 year old started dog instead of a pup, since you would more likely know what you have? Yep, I like started pups/dogs for that reason. Prices go up as hunting season approaches, but you can generally find some great deals during the summer and there will be more inventory to ch...
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:35 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
Rich, sorry. I misunderstood your post. "I keep hearing YOU can't."Yea yea I know Ross,,,, cause I keep hearing you can't.
Got it, I get it, good point.
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- Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:28 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
ROSS WHAT STUDS AND BITCHES PRODUCE CLOSE WORKING DOGS? GET IT? SHEESH! :D :D Now you're getting it. You DD guys are always a bit slow. :D Call some breeders and tell them what you are looking for. They will tell you if they have pups that will meet your needs. After training a DD you will be amaze...
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:19 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
dont worry about what line, just get a pup and make it range how you want. YES! In fact, when you get your pup, put your blinders on and pretend that it's a brand new DD pup. I'm absolutely serious. Train it just like your DD, test it in NAVHDA, do everything you would do with a versatile pup ...an...
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:58 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
I will never hunt on a horse. Never. I want a dog that likes to hunt close to me naturally. I don't want to end up like my friend with dogs that naturally hunt big, and have to correct them. I am asking if their is a line of Pointers that will have a naturally shorter range. I have heard you about ...
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:47 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
Seems to me like if you want a close working English Pointer though Elhew would be the way to go just in my humble opinion. That's fine but BoDarc is NOT an Elhew kennel. And I don't care who you plug, but you should at least know what your plugging! Helllooooooo. :D Now I've noticed the guys out t...
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:39 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
As a foot hunter I don't see a big running dog as a good match for me. You're not listening. A big running dog is fine ...as long as you're on a horse. That same dog should also be your woodcock dog. A close working Pointer, that only hunts close, is not a good Pointer and a big running Pointer, th...
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:07 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
Rich, I've read that from you before ...and I just chuckle.Personally,,, I would always rather have to push'em them pull'em. Just for internet comversation,,,, why would ya believe that?
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- Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:53 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
I think he is looking for line of dogs not a certain kennel. That was pretty funny ...cuz you went right into a kennel promo! One of my biggest running dogs goes back to Mike's stuff, Bo darc Daisey Mae. :lol: Birddogz, you're asking the wrong question. The question should be, "What line of Pointer...
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:30 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Closest working EPs
- Replies: 65
- Views: 18147
Re: Closest working EPs
Yeah, those Miller crosses ought to be some real boot-lickers.
- Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:08 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Owner information (CH Elhew Sinbad or CH Fibber McGee??
- Replies: 8
- Views: 4018
Re: Owner information (CH Elhew Sinbad or CH Fibber McGee??
How big is your female? Can you post pics of her?
- Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:36 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: CRAZY QUESTION!!!
- Replies: 10
- Views: 2777
Re: CRAZY QUESTION!!!
I would say that doing it for a pup would be on the extreme low end. I would not offer a female for lease for less than $2500.
- Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:58 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Owner information (CH Elhew Sinbad or CH Fibber McGee??
- Replies: 8
- Views: 4018
Re: Owner information (CH Elhew Sinbad or CH Fibber McGee??
I have pups on the ground from both studs from similarly bred females ...and I am very pleased with the looks of both litters.
Ch. Elhew Sinbad
Stan Howton
636-295-5418
Ch. Elhew Fibber McGee
Larry Moon
229-343-5577
How's your female bred?
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Ch. Elhew Sinbad
Stan Howton
636-295-5418
Ch. Elhew Fibber McGee
Larry Moon
229-343-5577
How's your female bred?
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- Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:11 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Whats Style to you ?
- Replies: 451
- Views: 185725
Re: Whats Style to you ?
He's Attitude bred. BTW, that's the lowest I have ever seen his head on point. Seriously, he is the CRANKINGEST dog I have ever seen ...and I have seen a boat load of crankers. This dog cranks when I drive by a KFC!!
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- Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:56 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: Whats Style to you ?
- Replies: 451
- Views: 185725
Re: Whats Style to you ?
Here's a stylish young boy of ours that I am finishing out right now.
- Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:09 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: CH vs. RU CH
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8453
Re: CH vs. RU CH
Even though a runner up champion gave a championship performance but wasn't the best dog that day I wonder if that is part of the reason Rail Dancer isn't in the Hall of Fame. His production record is impressive and he has several wins but never a champion. Big Dave, That's a resonable assumption c...
- Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:25 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: CH vs. RU CH
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8453
Re: CH vs. RU CH
I don't think the FDSB cares if the Championship title was a Ch. or an RU Ch., they are both Champions. What? A RU CH is not a Champion ...and is not indicated anywhere on the pedigree. I have a litter of Rail Dancer pups. He was a 6x RU CH. It's not listed on my pups pedigree ...I only know he was...
- Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:09 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: NAVHDA for a pointer?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5651
Re: NAVHDA for a pointer?
Pointer pups are awesome. :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULoqQ_WP2d4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SObmP1LmBNA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu68sfxTgas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRi-8C0icDk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1vMoJAELTU Let your pup be a pup and ...have fun!! (PS if you have ...
- Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:32 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: NAVHDA for a pointer?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5651
Re: NAVHDA for a pointer?
ckirsch's Pointer. Ice - NAVHDA Prize I UT http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/Ice/1.jpg http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/Ice/2.jpg http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/Ice/3.jpg http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/Ice/4.jpg http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/Ice/5.jpg http://www.calade...
- Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:22 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: NAVHDA for a pointer?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5651
Re: NAVHDA for a pointer?
Pointers can't swim.
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- Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:39 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: CH vs. RU CH
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8453
Re: CH vs. RU CH
No, RU CH is not designated on a pedigree.So does this mean that if a dog were to be named RU CH at a Championship, the pedigree would show it as CH so and so?
- Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:10 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: CH vs. RU CH
- Replies: 19
- Views: 8453
Re: CH vs. RU CH
...and only a CH shows up on a pedigree, a RU CH does not.
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- Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:36 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: going to look at a dog have a question
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4997
Re: going to look at a dog have a question
There are nice Pointer pups in MI too! It's easy to find good Pointer blood almost anywhere ...but thanks for the plug!I hear theres some nice pointer pups hanging in the warm SC weather
- Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:37 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: going to look at a dog have a question
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4997
Re: going to look at a dog have a question
Most likely just a bonafide Runt,like the breeder says. Where does it say that the "breeder" said that? I like smaller dogs,more snappier in the field and more agile in the woods,and some more stamina then the bigger more heavier dogs.She looked just as good at the end of four hours as she did when...
- Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:34 pm
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: going to look at a dog have a question
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4997
Re: going to look at a dog have a question
It doesn't matter how many pups are in the litter, a pup that small is not right.
If you don't want opinions, don't ask.
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If you don't want opinions, don't ask.
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- Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:23 am
- Forum: General Chat
- Topic: going to look at a dog have a question
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4997
Re: going to look at a dog have a question
Somethings not right and I would be worried about other genetic problems as well. Could be fine, but not something I would invest my time on. JMO.
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