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V-John

You can add some apple cider vingar to their water, it's cheap, and a lot of guys do it a couple times a week. But as far as medicating prophalactically (sp) will lead to the ineffectiveness of the medication down the line.

At least, that's just my opinion.

V-John

Yes they are locked down. I fly more dependent on weather and cloud cover.

But I usually toss them in the mornings. Loft fly when I get home from work around 4 or in the mornings.

V-John

This is what we feed... http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg110/V-John/th_20130418_181859_zps17f8ab87.jpg When the race season starts, we switch to a higher protein/fat diet. Mixed grain still. We use whole barley as well, but in a different manner as their primary feed. And the birds really dislik...

V-John

We feed in the evening. For young birds everytime I throw the feed in the hopper I blow a whistle. They associate the whistle with feeding time. Eventually you can blow the whistle and call them in.
Id feed twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening if I had the time.....

V-John

Many want to be able to kill raptors...a season is one legal route often put forth as an answer to solve a perceived problem whenever this subject arises on a double handful of message boards. And yes, yes it is. Derived from reading those message boards and realizing that more than the best of hun...

V-John

I knew folks that killed herons on their minnow ponds...justification happens. Pigeons are rarely equal to livestock...livestock as a primary income source which is and should be the determiner for government damage relief. Otherwise, work around what your hobby requires. The real problem with rapt...

V-John

And when Gwen McDeavitt got busted for having her hired man shoot hawks that were killing her birds she got a major fine that included running a full page ad in several bird dog magazines explaining that she was wrong.somewhere around the early 2000's,I saw the ads in gundog and pointing dog journa...

V-John

Not quite so easy to discount them when you lose half of your birds the first day you have them out. Somewhat of a problem when you lose a bird you paid 1000 for or one of your champion birds. Nothing wrong with protecting them but when they start damaging and killing it is time to do something abo...

V-John

On one of the pigeon forums, one guy was really successful using a spotlight to scare off hawks. I'm talking about the several million candle (I think he was using a five million candle spotlight) spotlight. Just let out the young birds to loft fly, and had a hawk take a half-assed attempt at one of...

V-John

jeffkrop wrote:Ok do you think I could move the nesting box to a new coop?

I asked that same question to the mentor and he suggested just waiting.

V-John

Pigeon mentor lost two chicks because they crawled out of the nest bowl, and it froze that night. They died, and the hen was still sitting on the nest bowl, thinking she was sitting on them, when the chicks were right next to her. Sometimes they aren't very smart. We tried to put in new nest bowls, ...

V-John

According to what I have read they are supposed to start the next clutch before the current one is done. But I would expect that to take good breeders under optimal conditions. I have had one set producing 1 clutch a month since January, but now that set has layed eggs in a nest with fledglings sti...

V-John

As I understand, sharp grains can cause trouble in the crops of chicks. though I don't know if there is a nutrition reason as well. Its mainly the sharp edges make them hard to digest. And this has been told to me by several different successful racers. Ezzy's post was spot on. I buy a grit for rac...

V-John

As I understand, sharp grains can cause trouble in the crops of chicks. though I don't know if there is a nutrition reason as well. Its mainly the sharp edges make them hard to digest. And this has been told to me by several different successful racers. Ezzy's post was spot on. I buy a grit for rac...

V-John

Mo also has a seminar coming up, as well. Im not sure of availability of course but..... Here is the information.

http://www.pineyrunkennel.com/seminars.htm

V-John

Mine prefer the floor no matter what I build for them. I've tried using cat litter (plastic boxes) containers - like the 3 gallon ones or whatever - big yellow ones - and screwing them into the wall. Seems to work fine, I have two nests right now in them, but I'm a bit worried about the "no lip" th...

V-John

well i getting a few more breeding pairs of homing pigeons tonight i was thinking of putting boxes for the birds to lay there eggs in, but my second coop where some of these bird will live is fairly small so i was think if i took white square 5 gallon buckets and screwed them to the outside of the ...

V-John

Pigeons like to be outside and sun themselves. It is certainly benifical. It also can help with the homing aspect as well.

V-John

We don't lose many to predators, really. But we don't fly them when the hawks are the thickest, either.

The ones we lost were lost on races. We also lost some on the 100 mile training tosses. In answer to the original question, too "bleep" many.

V-John

Section 7. If I were paying $2,250 for a pup, I would expect absolutely ZERO possibility of the pup picking up HEREDITARY traits. For $2,250, every ancestor for the past 10 generations should be PERFECT, with no faults to pass down. Good point. And reading other reviews of the place indicates that ...

V-John

I think a section like that is written to protect them. They can't enforce it but you can prove you didn't injure the pup when something happens so they will claim you didn't comply and you can't prove it either. Everything is written so whatever happens it will be your fault and they won't have to...

V-John

I would never buy a Vizla or Golden anyway. Good for you. Maybe someday you'll learn how to spell it too. I doubt I would buy an orange and white setter, but that's neither here nor there. The point of this is to not bash the breed, but what people try to do with the contracts and get away with. Se...

V-John

I know that contracts have been discussed at length here both for the good and bad. Here is an example of a contract that I think is quite ridiculous. Nevermind the prices but wording. This is from a high volume breeder of vizslas with little or no regard for hunting ability or conformation for that...

V-John

Widowhood is like it sounds. You would only allow one member of each pair to fly, and the birds will be most motivated to return when there is young in the nest. V- John tell you specifically what age the young are that is most motivating to the family member to return. For some reason day 10 rings...

V-John

I had the same issue with that, as well as Kwikirish when she bought hers. we had to send the remote back in for repairs to DT. It is, unfortunately, a pretty common occurance.

V-John

Mine just hatched this week got two, how long until I can start to fly them...just curious. I know its probably when they get their adult feathers or flight feathers but how long is that on average. How does such a pretty bird start SO UGLY!!! Around 30 days or so? One way I tell if they are ready ...

V-John

Mine just hatched this week got two, how long until I can start to fly them...just curious. I know its probably when they get their adult feathers or flight feathers but how long is that on average. How does such a pretty bird start SO UGLY!!! Around 30 days or so? One way I tell if they are ready ...

V-John

ezzy333 wrote:After 2 weeks I have 15 pair sitting on eggs, 2 pair with babies and one pair that will not fight for their nest box that hasn't layed yet.

Ezzy

I have a pair just like that. I was hoping to use them as pumpers, but another pair came in and kicked them out of the nest box, and so now who knows.

V-John

Four vizslas, a litter of vizsla pups, three Irish setters and a fair number of pigeons.

V-John

RoostersMom wrote:Thanks guys,

I'll give these ideas a try. The Birddog Jamboree would be excellent because we'll be there with a Quail Forever Habitat Helpdesk.

Appreciate the suggestions.

I'll see you there! I wish I could help out.

V-John

V-John, I did paint with a broad brush and probably shouldn't have but it is a problem I have seen from several rescues and heard of a lot more. Glad you are involved because they need open minded people like you. I have taken many dogs over the years and either kept them or found homes for them wi...

V-John

V-John sounds like y'all have a good program. My wife contacted a rescue when we were searching and talked to the person there. To make a long story short, that person told my wife we could fill out the application, but she doubted we would be approved(other dogs, possibility of hunting, no fenced ...

V-John

I actually am involved in rescue and rather then throw up some blatant generalizations that people on here want to post, I will tell you how WE work.I cannot speak for other rescue organizations other then the ones I have been involved with. I really like it when people think that they know everythi...

V-John

Not a fan of dt, but w are suck with them

V-John

I also wonder beyond extension and power is there a shock absorption factor to correct angulation. More angle should give room for more contraction/ impaction also... provided all else is in line and working well????? Just speculating from the "armchair " Good question. I'd like to hear the answer ...

V-John

Does anyone know if they can access the chat from a smart phone?

V-John

I use lights to get them to lay early. Some need it and some don't. A lot of it depends on the amount of light in your loft. As far as affecting the molt that is a whole different deal. I use the lights to keep them from molting later in the summer when the days start getting shorter. Some people d...

V-John

I wonder if lattitude makes a diffference, other than one pair (and that was a roller who breed regardless) I had no eggs since September until the lights went on. On the pigions site I have read the lights go on in November - December and off March 21st the goal is to trigger a molt so all the bir...

V-John

Lights help.
When I say that they are on the race team, that means they are at least thirty days old, some, older. Some were weened in late Jan, which means they were hatched in late december.

V-John

Use a timer in conjunction with the daylight and you will see activity pick up. Even with the cold weather you should see breeding. You might lose a chick or two but not likely. We've got around 15 or so on the race team so far and it's been as cold here as anywhere.

V-John

If he was going to race out of it, I would probably divide it a bit differently, but Kevin and Terry both posted good ideas.

V-John

Are you wanting to race out of it, or just have as a pigeon loft?

V-John

Not to worry, we don't need to take action like that when people are doing such a good job of doing it to themselves. Everyone on the board can see and come up with their own opinion of the few that postlike that. Couldn't have said it better myself, but I'm guessing we are speaking of different pe...

V-John

Interesting to me how it is mostly the newer members PUSHING for change. You have to earn the right/respect to ask for change around here, as is true in any venue. I have been a member longer then you, and I was one of the ones "pushing" for a change. But whatever. Chris. You drop your kids off at ...

V-John

I see no harm in trying it. If and WHEN it become the center for gossip and begins to drag down the forum, it gets shut down. I surely can see both sides to the argument for/against. What more will it require from the volunteer moderators that ALREADY have enough to do? Chris, You are living the dr...

V-John

I see no harm in trying it. If and WHEN it become the center for gossip and begins to drag down the forum, it gets shut down. I surely can see both sides to the argument for/against. What more will it require from the volunteer moderators that ALREADY have enough to do? Chris, You are living the dr...

V-John

nightmaregundog wrote:It wouldnt hurt a thing but the great and powerfull EZ said no

There. Fixed it for you.

V-John

Wildweeds wrote:You allready have a feedback arena IMO,it's called start a thread,ask a question about a breeder and use the PM function to have opinions expressed whether good or bad in private as to not sling mud.

What if it is about an item, not necessarily a pup or horse?

V-John

I have a pretty good idea of how people react to things they don't like. I like it when people online tell me what I know. It's great. :roll: Anyways, as Saddle pointed out, it works perfectly on a softball forum. This forum has over 30,000 members, and over a million threads. The buy/sell is very V...

V-John

What about only positive feedback allowed then? That way if there was no feedback then it would be buyer beware...

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