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V-John

If you notice the young birds blinking their eyes more then usual they need s drink of water and its time to dunk their head in water.

V-John

After that take him to South Carolina and Mo. You won't do better.

V-John

Good luck with the problem. I would think that it is something that the breeder would take care of.

I've seen one litter go for 1500. The rest, not that high.

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Apple Cider Vinegar is basically put in the water to create an acidic environment in the gut. This prevents e.coli and salmonella from living there and thus keeps them healthier. That being said, you don't need to do it every day either. Maybe once a week, if that... Some guys use bleach, which does...

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topher40 wrote:Pat is fantastic and very knowledgeable.

X2. Extremely classy individual.

V-John

The question marks were to question how the laser caused the problem you describe. I can't grasp how a little red dot bouncing around a room would induce psychotic behavior. I think there may be another cause. When I walked into the vet's office, the dog was staring at the wall. The owners called h...

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???? Laser pointers - Some people would take those little laser pointers and shine a little red dot on the walls and the ceiling. I guess they took delight in watching their dogs chase around this little red dot. People would use them in presentations sometimes to point out things in their presenta...

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I went and looked at a vizsla that is being surrendered to rescue on Sat. The owner's had told me that the dog had staring spells and would stare at spots on the wall. My first thought was maybe he was having a small seizure but if the dog could be called out of the spells, then it couldn't be it. I...

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Lot of guys on this thread I would be happy to run a dog under.

V-John

topher40 wrote:John you have always been a thinking man...... :roll:

Don't be jealous Kroll!

Brittguy is right, that is something that can be done to get them to drink or put the treated water down after the birds are done loft flying or whatever.

V-John

Or you could just fill it halfway.

V-John

To me, it depends on the dog. If the dog is an absolute chow hound and is waiting in the crate when someone thinks of food, then I'd be a bit alarmed at the skipping of a meal. I think though, the dog would have to miss a couple meals if activity levels and other basics were good. I also have a bitc...

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I personally use Quest Gel. (Horse Wormer) Four bumps on the plunger per gallon. It worms them, and is safe to use while they are on chicks. (Supposedly. I haven't personally wormed them while they are feeding, but have heard that it's ok) Since it's a thicker substance then water, I put the four bu...

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mlittle wrote:So if I am going to fly them tomorrow morning, take food and water out tonight? Then put food back in while they are out?

Do they know how to get in the loft?

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We just started last week, and the heat was tough. This weekend looks to be the same with a tough crosswind.

V-John

Ezzy, has your race season started yet?

V-John

I will snap a picture of the loft later today and post it John. I have to go to out for work and will feed them and water them on the way home. I have been leaving the feed in withh them. I see some say to feed daily. Is it ok to leave a full feeder and waterer all the time like I do with my quail?...

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You might lose some of the older ones. Do you have a settling cage? That will help with the settling process. Length of confinement will vary. I don't medicate unless it is necessary. Some of the medications can make the birds a bit sickly. Or with constant medication, the meds will be ineffective. ...

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In my experience teaching them to break from the flock is probably the most important part of racing. The winners in a race are not necessarily the fastest flyers but are the ones that find the shorteat distance to get home. I like to single toss them or sometimes double toss to save some time but ...

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Az, Thanks for the kind words. I wasn't trying to be contradictory and I didn't state my post very well, I think. Regardless, I think that if you have birds with a good foundation and such, throwing an old bird to guide them along the way is good. I know a racer who does very well in the races who t...

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A new flyer around here, who has some really good birds, and got some from Ezzy I believe, loft flew for about two weeks. Then started to take them down the road. Forty some birds returned fine from 5 miles twice. Jumped out 10 miles and after several days, ended up with something like fifteen back...

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A new flyer around here, who has some really good birds, and got some from Ezzy I believe, loft flew for about two weeks. Then started to take them down the road. Forty some birds returned fine from 5 miles twice. Jumped out 10 miles and after several days, ended up with something like fifteen back....

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Loft flying isnt about time per se but what they are doing. Are they routing, and disappearing for a couple hours? Thats how I know they are ready to start jumping out.

V-John

I would put him back in the nest if you have done so already. I don't know what your loft looks like, but often times, another cock will come and scalp the crap out of that chick. It looks pretty ugly sometimes.

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PMV is nasty business. Ill be treating ours once we are done road training and start racing. There was a reportes case of PMV here in Ks and that scare me.
I know of a guy that was selling pigeons cheap.... Where in Ks you at? Shoot me a PM.

V-John

I would also bleach everything in the loft too. Clean and kill germs.

V-John

I had a bird lost on a race show up after several months. He might have trapped in another loft who decided to try and keep him. Or he may have been out wandering around who knows. Sent him on another race and he clocked in alright. Sometime you just never know.
Duck, how many birds you looking for

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Ezzy is right you are feeding too much. Feed them day by day so you can control their food intake, thus their motivation to get into the loft. You can start roughly a tablespoon per bird and adjust feed from there.

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I use wire ties too. Heavy tie on the right leg is a flier, blue on the right is a male and red on the right a female. don't care how long it takes to get them to trap or even come home. Keep thinking I need to get some of those snap on one's with numbers. The snap-ons are nice and have less chance...

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deseeker wrote:Another option is breaking the eggs before they hatch if you don't want to mess with and feed the young.

Wood eggs are another option...

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I agree on feeding the birds pigeon pellets. My experience with mixed grain is that the birds pick through the stuff and only eat what they like and a lot of the grain ends up on the floor. Pellets is the way to go for both cost and cleanliness. You are feeding too much when they throw part out and...

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I would put a bowl in. That way the chicks have something to push against so you dont have chicks with splayed legs. And it keeps their eggs from rolling all over. Even with nesting material it can happen.

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I have to National Champions lying here in the office with me, They both are top notch bird finders, great family dogs, and loving pets. I have never taken them anyplace and paid to get someone else's opinion, though I did take them to some fun trials and hunt tests. But they are as good as they ca...

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so I have had 6 young birds in my loft for going on 2 weeks they were in a crate for a week before they went into the loft. My question is should I be training them to trap yet? a fellow told me to put the birds in front of the trap door in a cage with the door open to the trap and let them trap at...

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Yeah, all three of us that puts need meds on it means its overdone. :roll:

In fact Im the only one I know that does that around here. But whatever.

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When were they fed? Young birds are controlled with feed. I fed them last night at like 6. The feeder was empty this morning, but maybe they cleaned up what was left from the previous feeding before I went to get them this morning. Im going to cut back on the food (If they return tonight :) Went ho...

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When were they fed? Young birds are controlled with feed.

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kwikirish when you say hawk wire ect what do you mean by wire? Power lines. The birds (especially the young cocky ones) get going at that high rate of speed and next thing they know, they have hit a wire. Sometimes they live to fly home, other times.... We've had one make it back with a severe inju...

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LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR EXPLAINED TO GET THEM GOING! LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR EXPLAINED TO GET THEM GOING!! This seems to be the inherent problem. People don't want to listen. It's not really that difficult to get them to home, people just need to show some patience. I've had success with barn pigeons homin...

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ezzy333 wrote: I agree with this also and that is not why I posted as a moderator. Ezzy

How do we know the difference between when you post as a "mod" and when you dont'?

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Glad you got the dog back. I still think a call to the cops would have been in order.

DoubleBarrel GunDogs wrote:Good for you. I'll keep Craig's list in mind, just in case.

Nate

Yeah, it's free and a lot of people use it. I've gotten a dog back using craigslist.

V-John

Lookin really good!

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Looking good kroll.

V-John

Apple cider vinegar increases the acidic level in the gut and kills much of the "bad bacteria"

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Neil is right. If he wants to chase points why not? Why is it automatically assumed that Derby dogs catch birds? Bbm, I hope you bring that dog out to Grovesprings, next year, now I really want to see him run! Not saying don't run your dogs in derby - just if they start catching birds it can/will c...

V-John

Continue to train with low preasure, working on application, endurance, style, etc. And run him. Good luck on Derby of the Year, I doubt those that say it is not impressive have ever been in contention. I could have run mine in 15+ stakes broke as a derby (AKC) and probably could have got to #1 der...

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Seen or heard of dogs that were broke out too early that "suddenly" developed bad habits and become "unbroke". Dogs laying down on point, suddenly deciding to rip birds and catch birds.

V-John

Sorry you guys are having so much trouble . In all honesty pigeons are about the easiest thing there is to raise and take care of. You need to have a good loft that is secure and provides the birds with their needs and you should have little problem from there. I have over 100 and lost one baby thi...

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PS. The last place I would go for any advice is Pigeon Talk. That is largely a group of women who keep a bird or two for pets and think they are part of the family. You might see if you can get Pigeon Insider and join that if you can find it. they cover about everything you might want to know pluss...

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