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Nice looking dog , just keep in mind You are allowing the dog to creep, so basically you are training the dog to creep. Have someone holding the check-cord next time and always work in cross wind to the bird as was previously posted. Also do not command whoa if the dog is not going to respond positi...

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Do not do it. If the dog is not trained on the command as it relates to the bird you risk the dog associating the e-collar with the bird. Each and every situation is different to the dog. The dog will not understand the e=collar as it relates to the situation if it has not been trained on that comma...

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This is improper use of the e collar. Your shutting your dog down not training g a behavior and overlaying the e collar. If the dog does not respond to the command without the e collar it does not understand the command as it relates to the collar. Train the dog first then overlay the collar.

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So at this point you are still teaching the dog what you want . The check -cord is a cue for the dog in the big picture and he has to learn that he has to stop with out it as well. Its time to lose the check - cord . You can not expect the dog to do something in the field he has not been trained to ...

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What happens if you command him to whoa.

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Is the dog staying on point until you flush the bird? Or is the dog flushing the bird?

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You need to give. More info on training up till this point. No pun intended

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http://www.terrierman.com/traprelease.htm I thought it was worth posting this in its own heading. I read dog in foot trap and it was a lot of info with some digression as well. This is a great article some one posted at the end of two pages and it seemed to me as the most important piece of info. Wh...

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http://www.georgehickox.com/ Check out the rest of this site look at published articles .

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I'm having a similar situation. My 16 month old pup will hold pigeons until I shoot them, so this fall I've just been letting the pup "figure it out" and bump, chase whatever with out saying anything. So far, he's barely flash pointed any birds. He's had close to 30 - 40 grouse encounters and a few...

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Why would you say that

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http://www.georgehickox.com/articles/wh ... d-dogs.pdf Here we go again!

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Allowing the dog to train itself is not dog training. Dogs are motived to please themselves if the chase is rewarding thats what they will do. Every repetition of chasing birds is a lesson in chasing birds and will have to be remediated . Some people swear by allowing the bird to say whoa and when t...

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read two year old spaniel gun shy all of a sudden

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Was curious about this one since there was no response to my question on introduction to gun. My feeling was an improper intro gave the dog no positive association with birds and guns. Just thought I would bring it back up as it relates to similar post of same nature.

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Dogs will have a tendency to bite down hard on any thing they are given or obtain. This is a normal behavior but as a puppy you can work on softening the dogs bite by holding your hand in the dogs mouth and getting the dog to accept your hand there with out trying to spit it out. Get the dog used to...

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My dog will do this as well. George hickox as well as my vet assured me it was exercise induced. Thanks for the ibs info, I started a gluten free regimen this year and it has changed my life. For the dog rice seems to help as well as far as clearing up loose stool. Purina did a study on dogs and fou...

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Perfect! This is why I joined this forum.....What would you say to the trainer who wants my dog at 4mos and wants to introduce him to birds and guns? Can he ruin my dog? He also wants to kennel my dog for 20hrs/day. does this give the dog more drive? Money? I spent a lot of money on this dog....And...

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I can not stress this enough, introduction to the gun is not acclimation. Dogs do not acclimate to potential dangers. They determine safety by associating potential dangers with what is present in their immediate environment. If they do not make a positive association with guns as they relate specif...

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This drives me out of my mind. You are not taking into consideration what a dog is and how they learn. You are just blindly moving forward and hoping that your dog does not become gun shy without spending two minutes to research any behavioral aspects of dogs. Dogs do not have reason. They do not us...

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I have been reading your posts and I was just wondering are you training a dog or just researching different methods? If you are in the process of training a dog my advice would be to find one method and stick with it.

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Georges rule of thumb is when the dog is complying 8 out of ten times on the command you are ready to overlay the e- collar. My questions are , what exactly do you mean by , the dog takes a step? Is the dog on a check-cord? Is this in yard training only ? With distraction? Has the dog been generaliz...

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nice, whats your location

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When training I make him sit, then hold his collar and throw the ATB/dummy/wing. I then tell him "stay" constantly until I want him to retrieve and before I let go I slowly move my hand with out him knowing I let go of his collar and tell him get it. Do you guys have some tips that would help me wit...

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Sounds like you are making progress. A lot of things can change the response, such as weather ,direction of the wind, cues you are giving the dog that may be unintentional. Try using a locked wing bird , well hidden ,as a scent bird to keep the dog away from the launcher 5 to 10 yards, and always ha...

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I would have the niece carry a bunch of pigeons . As you are hunting Have her call the dog when the dog comes throw a pigeon and shoot it for the dog. She will be the place to get birds. Plant a few as you are hunting close by her. The dog will perceive her as the place where the birds are. The dog ...

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It seems you got a lot of good advice here. Another thing I could add is the hickox video is easy to follow and if you need to you can just watch each step as you do them. make sure you are getting the video with force retrieve on it i am not sure if his new beginnings video has force retrieve on it...

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Understand what you are teaching the dog in force fetch. The behavior you are training is fetch but you can not shape that behavior without the dog learning to avoid pressure. If you allow the dog to succeed in non compliance without pressure you are losing the battle. Never let the dog beat you. Th...

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http://codeazur.com.br/pix/blogs/CultureClash.pdf This book will help you understand the dog from a behavioral perspective. http://www.georgehickox.com/about_george_hickox_bird_dog_training_articles.html These are previously published articles from good hunting publications. http://www.georgehickox....

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http://www.georgehickox.com/about_georg ... x_dvd.html http://codeazur.com.br/pix/blogs/CultureClash.pdf

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Although some people will burn a retriever to the pile I think it's a bad way to create motivation. I think what they are saying is get on a quality training program which maybe they believe you are not. You might want to try a retriever forum. Also check out Evan graham as noted earlier he always s...

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Using the tone of your voice as a reinforcer for behavior would rely on the dog associating your voice with punishment or reward . It's not that the dog understands the tone the dog associates the tone with imminent punishment or reward. When the dog realizes that the punishment is not possible with...

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Look into navhda clubs in your area (North american versatile hunting dog association). This club trains versatile dogs for upland, waterfowl ,and tracking fur. Check out versatile dog forum as well. http://www.georgehickox.com/ There is a lot of good info on Georges site . Read his previously publi...

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Please explain exactly how you introduced the dog to the gun

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The trouble with here is, we are all here because we are not all there! Consider what the motivation of the dog is. Would the dog rather have a treat or run free. Would the dog rather hunt for birds or come to you. If you call the dog to you and end the session why would the dog come to you the next...

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Will the dog whoa consistently with out any distraction off the board.

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If the dog is not stopping on the whoa command the dog is not whoa trained. If you have introduced the collar to the dog on the whoa command the level you are using is not significant enough to the dog, considering the distraction. I agree with you not to use the collar in the presence of a bird as ...

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Catching a few birds is not the end of the world. Hickox uses clipped winged birds for introduction to the gun. The dog chases the bird and at the moment of greatest distraction , when the dog is about to catch the bird , the gun is fired. This makes the association that the sound of the gun equals ...

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http://www.georgehickox.com/about_georg ... icles.html This might be a good place to start.

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Have you done any training in the yard prior to this or are you expecting the dog to "figure it out". If the dog is running in on the birds and you are launching them he is learning that running in on the birds is what gets them in the air. This is rewarding to the dog. He is exhibiting a behavior t...

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First you get your dog to point and all is good. Then you tur5n around and have it flush on command. I had heard of one dog years ago that was taugh that but teaching the dog to point, them turning around and teaching it to flush, gotta be mixed signals for the dog. Take you pointing dog out and ru...

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I have heard of one dog trained to do that, I would not do it. It is contrary to what you've already taught the dog to do. I used to teach the dog's to re-locate hard on the birds by sendiong them in and when they got within maybe ten yards pop the bird on them. I'm not sure what would happen if th...

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10 month old female EP. Last week working with pigeons and launcher I got her to whoa in the scent cone no problem. This week I worked her in to the scent cone about 20ft from bird she stop and laid there. What could be going wrong? She has been around blanks no problem. She has even had a few soli...

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carry some pigeons with you call the dog in and throw a pigeon . The dog will come when you call because you have what the dog wants. He will associate you with the birds , not too much or he will never leave your side. You could teach the dog to whoa and just stop him until you catch up. All this i...

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Check construction sites industrial areas you should be able to find one for free. They usually have a twenty dollar deposit at most. Post your location you may find someone that has one in your area. Along with some hands on help.

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Bill - I take nothing negative from your post. I think you might have a very good point that she sees the yard as a play ground and it's not the right place to do training. She is very well bred and is, as you said, a little electric bundle - she needs to run and that is what she does in the yard. ...

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How old is the dog ? Where are you located ? There is a lot of different opinions on this site as to whoa training , from not at all to absolutely necessary, from whoa post to barrel to just a leash. I am a firm believer in the barrel method because when it is done properly the dog is offering the b...

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Every repetition of the wrong thing is training the dog to do that thing. You will be fighting it later on.

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If you need a check cord he does not know the command. The collar is not used to teach the command , only to reinforce it. When the dog responds eighty percent of the time positively without the cord you are ready to use the collar. The dog should be generalized as well and proofed for distraction. ...

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Pretty well ?

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