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4dabirds

I dont know what you are talking about. I never said anything about not using correction. What I said was that the correction needed to be commensurate with the desire of the dog. The positive reinforcement is there specifically to create desire for a given behavior at a young age to imprint it into...

4dabirds

If you have to bribe and coax her, she has won the battle and defeated you. A dog obeys because it HAS to, not because it WANTS to.[/quote] I think this is where the divergence of two training methodologies is happening and the crux of why there is a difference of opinion on this thread. The entire ...

4dabirds

Dont blame the union worker either. Again blame yourself for having a lower standard of working conditions.

4dabirds

It sounds like you are coming along well. The check-cord is a cue in itself as you are working on the command. Try to go a little further with the dog off leash getting him to stop on command with out distraction. The dog at this point has been given good references to build on the behavior you are ...

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You are going to fast . Train the dog to whoa then overlay the e-collar. if you need the check-cord the dog has not been trained on whoa yet. When the dog will respond in a positive manner to the whoa command 8 out of 10 times in different locations without the chec-cord you are ready to overlay the...

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Dogs being very pliable, I ask this question of people who train their dog to see the launched bird as a negative. Is it not possible to train the dog to see the launched bird as a positive reward? If dogs learn by association and you are training the dog to see the launched bird as a loss for roadi...

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+1 on the swimming with him. Keep it positive lots of praise. If you are showing any negativity the dog will feed off that.

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Nice looking dogs.

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4dabirds hit it on the head. Whoadog - I have on older tri tronics collar. Levels go from tone to 5. I am using it on 2 as she seems to not feel level 1. She did however yelp on 2 the first time. I guess I have some decisions to make now. I understand the hickox program, but maybe I need to get the...

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Just to clear things up here. The training the original post is talking about is collar conditioning. It is not supposed to be teaching the kennel command. At this point in the training the dog has already, or should have already learned to go into its kennel with positive reinforcement only. Since ...

4dabirds

http://www.georgehickox.com/ Here is a good place to start. Its best to stick to a proven training program. Try to stay away from mixing and matching ideas , that may on the surface seem to be leading to the same goal but in the end will only confuse the dog. There are a lot of programs out there th...

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I would make sure that what you are saying in your post is exactly what the trainer is saying. If he is truly saying that he does not believe in force retrieve training as it pertains to its efficacy, or if he means using it at this time in the training plan is not what he would recommend. If he is ...

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Read my post

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Dogs vocalize as a strategy to get what they want. They learn very early that the vocalization gets them a reward. At this point you could just correct the dog every time it vocalizes and never reward the dog when it does. Sometimes the attention is all the reward the dog needs so your correction ma...

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Thanks, 4dabirds, this is solid advice. I appreciate your positive comments. Do you Agee with others here that I should NEVER again throw the tennis ball for fun ( after ff is completed)? What tends to happen with dogs , because of their innate sense of using cues to survive as well as get reward, ...

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Great job its nice when a plan comes together.

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Maurice wrote:Dog work and hunt because they are wired up from birth to do that, least the good ones are. I'm a no treat trainer and my dogs are not afraid of me. Just a different mind set on how people look at dogs I guess

Mo

My way of looking at it is they are wired up to exhibit behaviors they find rewarding .

4dabirds

If you are force fetching the dog will focus when you are done. Stop any other retrieves until you are done with ff. Every time you do this the dog is given the option. The reason for force fetch is to give the dog no option. Admit that your dog does not have a big desire to retrieve and it needs to...

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Dogs will only exhibit behaviors they find rewarding . The more rewarding the behavior the more the dog will use. It for reward. The hungrier the dog is the more significant the food reward will become. Starting training using food rewards allows the trainer to get the dog to exhibit behaviors with...

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Dogs will only exhibit behaviors they find rewarding . The more rewarding the behavior the more the dog will use. It for reward. The hungrier the dog is the more significant the food reward will become. Starting training using food rewards allows the trainer to get the dog to exhibit behaviors witho...

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If you are force fetching the dog stop play fetching with the dog until you are finished. Every repetition of the wrong thing is a lesson of the wrong thing. If the dog is allowed to blow you off on a retrieve you are traing that very thing into the dog. Finish the force retrieve following a profess...

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Dont mix up intro to birds with retrieving. The idea of the intro to birds is to intro the bird. If you give a pup anything and it takes possession of that thing the only mistake you made was expecting something different. Its a puppy have fun . When you train the dog to see a benefit for the dog by...

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Call dt they may have a warranty . I had my collar transmitter repaired i cant remember if the labor or the parts were covered but it was a lifetime warranty for one or the other.

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Clicking and treating when the dog stands still seems simpler and the dog gets rewarded for stopping not for getting on the board. Cj As far as clicker training goes do not look at this as one behavior. Train it as a behavior chain. Some dog may be nervous just to step on the board so clicking and ...

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Don you are missing the point I was trying to make. It is not that the place board is seen by the dog as a safe place. The dog is using it as a cue in its environment to gain reward. What I was saying in regards to dogs seeing things as safe and dangerous relates to avoidance of correction methods t...

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it does not seem to me that anyone has explained the reason why place boards are used in the first place. No pun intended but I think it it was a good one :lol: . When training a dog on a behavior such as stay sit or whoa the dog does not really comprehend the language that we are using as a cue. Si...

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Dogs have very small brains. They have no ability to rationalize the difference between gunfire and thunder as it relates to their safety. They are very adept at reading cues in their environment to determine wether something is safe or dangerous , or wether it will gain reward or correction. Their ...

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Check out George hickox s web site

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This thread has gone on for a while and after reading the responses I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people seem to be confusing the clicker as some form of replacement for correction. While I believe that some dogs will be trainable without the use of correction most will need to be rein...

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Just to add a little something to this discussion. I started training my dog with out a clicker using a barrel and positive reinforcement no real pressure. After having worked the dog for a while I started using the clicker. The behaviors that I used the clicker on from the beginning are night and d...

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He not responding for the click he is responding for the food . Skip three meals and see how attentive and compliant the dog is. So - starve him to get him to listen and give treats? I'm not going to be slipping him treats while he is on a bird or clicking anything to reward him. I stick with the m...

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If you use clicker training the dog is motivated to comply by it own natural instinct of self preservation . Dogs are motivated to please themselves and this is used to help form and reinforce behaviors you want. It is extremely effective and since there is no pressure in the dog there is no down s...

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If you use clicker training the dog is motivated to comply by it own natural instinct of self preservation . Dogs are motivated to please themselves and this is used to help form and reinforce behaviors you want. It is extremely effective and since there is no pressure on the dog there is no down si...

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Dogs are place oriented. You have changed the cue and now the place. The cue .. Ear pinch needs to be consistent otherwise the dog will not understand what is expected. If you are committed to the toe hitch there is nothing wrong with it you just need to put in the repetitions on the table first to ...

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Wow roanie you really are an engineer

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Basically that's like asking how do I train a pointing dog. You might be better served asking what is the difference between professional programs such as hickox ,smith , lindley etc.

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http://gundogforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=42037 My thread to basically the same topic. You'll see a bunch that say it's unnecessary, some that say it's not possible, and some that say it's a good idea. Clearly, the ones that say it's a good idea are the ones that want to learn how to train ...

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Why would anyone get offended . It is a question that is asked a lot . The answer to which is there is no timeline. Dogs are not in a constant state of being so the training is relative to the progress of the dog. In George's video you are getting the specific sequence of training. What you do not g...

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http://www.georgehickox.com/about_georg ... icles.html Start here.

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What you are expecting from your dog is a lot at this stage. If your dog is not ready for the e collar why are you surprised that it is shaking after stimulation. What you should do about this is stop stimulating the dog till it has a better grasp of the command. If you properly trained the dog on k...

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To make myself a little clearer . I think it's important that the dog sees these off schedule times as a normal occurance and there is a reward at the end. It would be best to do the training first before using any correction.

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I think I'm a little clearer on your problem. Dogs thrive on consistency . You have changed the dogs regular routine in this case . If you can on these off times . Kennel the dog and build up his tolerance for accepting the kennel when it is not his regular time. Also you could leave as you would to...

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This coupled with a correction for barking such as throwing a rolled up towel at the crate will create a contrast for the dog. This contrast makes the reward as well as the correction more significant. I disagree with this approach. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of using both "clickers" and ...

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Specificity . You need to train specific behaviors into your dog. The dog is not going to hunt bumpers. When it is time to let dog hunt you have trained it to find and retrieve . Get yourself on a specific program. Try hickox it will be a good start.

4dabirds

What you are describing is not what you think. Your dog should whoa loose off lead eighty percent of the time. You have just begun. For the sake of your dog slow down and take a step back. Maybe several . Your dog is not trained on the whoa command yet and is not ready for e- collar.

4dabirds

You were not ready for the e collar. Responding to a command and being trained on a command are two different things. Go back to training command until the dog is responding 80 percent of the time in a timely positive manner. Do not confuse shutting the dog down with understanding command.

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Some people train ff without a table.Personally I built a table with an overhead cable and posts to tie the dog to. This keeps the dog from being able to move sit, lie down , escape, making it easier on you and the dog. If the dog can not move his head it is easier to get the dog concentrate on the ...

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If the dog perceives his whining barking at any time as rewarding it will continue. The dog barks you let him out, you just rewarded the bark. Dog whines you feed him , you just rewarded the whine. Dog sits by you, vocalizes in any fashion, you pet him , you just rewarded the vocalization. Dogs use ...

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Your level of expectation for the whoa command should be that the dog should whoa under all circumstances. To expect the dog to whoa with the distraction of a bird before it is generalized would be putting the cart before the horse. This will lead to unnecessary corrections with the check-cord or pi...

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