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4dabirds

Sorry misunderstood you. I agree with vman fly away drills will get the dog used to seeing birds flying away as part of the game and chasing is fruitless. As time progresses after getting the dog to stand longer is good as long as at the end there is some reward. If you use a barrel to teach whoa on...

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I am reading your post and you have, what seems to me contradicted yourself. "Never shot at birds' "Birds harvested". It sounds like you have an idea but not a plan. A proper training plan allows you to teach the dog specific behaviors in the yard without the presence of birds. When you expect behav...

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When your dog is hunting you have nothing to offer that is better then what is in the field. The dog wants birds and they are out there! To rectify this carry a bag full of pigeons with you . Call the dog to you and throw a clipped wing bird out for the dog. As your training progresses ,plant a bird...

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Dogs are motivated to please themselves. Incorporating clicker training into your plan will have the dog looking forward to training as this will be the route to there reward. Using food as reward you are limited only by the hunger of the dog. That said how hungry or motivated the dog is can be mani...

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mountaindogs wrote:Also you could try a cheap invisibla fence system. Run wire around the foundation of your house in a loop and then the collars will keep them a few feet away from the wire... set the distance. Try sportmans wharehouse. I think they have a really cheap one.

best idea yet

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If you use the e-collar make sure they think you are not home and correct each time they jump on the house . They need to think the house caused the correction and they need to know it can happen when you are not home. If you do it when you are home and they succeed without correction when you are n...

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Dogs use strategies to get what they want . In your case they jump on the door to get your attention to get to go inside. If you train a different behavior that they would use to get your attention and ignore the jumping on the door. They will use the new behavior as long as it is rewarding to them....

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I have one that does, one that doesn't. I don't really care, they learn to find wild birds finding wild birds, the pigeon stuff is just steadiness, I don't care how they were found. I agree with this . Also you can carry the birds out to the field and plant them as the dog is hunting then the dog f...

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Ezzy you of all people should know by now I could care less about what people like you think. I was worried about wether the op would want to respond not you or any one else.

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Does it surprise any one, with all the negative responses.This guy has not responded back! Wow ask a question and get torn to threads. This guy needs help not a reprimand for ignorance. Lab man if you need help pm me ill get you in the right direction. Must be something in the air.

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http://ebookbrowse.com/the-culture-clash-by-jean-donaldson-pdf-d98932404 Read this book it will help you decipher the differences between plans as they pertain to canine behavior. I am a fan of the Hickox methodology . The perfect start video series boasts that you do not need place boards or barrel...

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Check out versatile dog forum there is a lot of guys using gsp for ducks. You live in florida how cold could it get?

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http://www.georgehickox.com/about_georg ... icles.html here is some reading to get you started

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I also agree the gun intro was improper. The dog has not been allowed to make a positive association with birds and gun . Since no association was made you have left yourself open to the dog making negative association. Hickox training video also has the proper intro to birds and guns. Step back and...

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I have a German shorthair pointer that has an unusually high tolerance for stimulus from an e-collar. I'm using a dogtra training the color that goes to 130 stimulus level. During normal training obedience exercises she responds perfectly to a level between 50 and 60. HOWEVER, WHEN IN HOT PURSUIT O...

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4dabirds ur making this more complicated than it is. Its simple fire at a distance when there are distracted chasing birds or playing grab "bleep". Start with a plank, then up it to a shot gun. I perfer my guys not to catch birds at any age if i can help it. You can have a well breed pup gun broke ...

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I bought a .22 blank off of Gun Dog Supply for somewhere around $30, and $20 for 200 rounds. The gun works great, especially for its price, def. worth the investment to try to avoid gunshyness. I started off throwing the dummy and a partner at 50 yards out shooting the quieter blanks when I threw. ...

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I read your post late last night and for some reason thought you said 12 months. At 12 weeks you have a baby on your hands. The book should still help. Try not to fall into the habit of rewarding behaviors you do not want . You need to understand the dog needs to burn off a tremendous amount if ener...

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http://codeazur.com.br/pix/blogs/CultureClash.pdf This book may help you. In my opinion your dog needs more interaction that you can give. Consider getting a second dog. Dogs are social animals and when they are not getting that fix it manifests itself in many unwanted behaviors. When the dog is loo...

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Intro to the gun if done properly is a subliminal message to the dog. As the dog catches a bird a blank is fired at a distance far enough so the dog does not acknowledge it. While the dog does not acknowledge it he hears it and associates the sound with catching his prey. This association is importa...

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Not knowing when to quit when it is good . Not knowing when to quit when it is bad. I have that, just one more, mentality. I have to keep reminding myself to keep the dog hungry for more.

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Have you done a proper intro to the gun with this dog ? If not you are playing with fire. A gun shy dog is useless. Keep in mind that everything you do with this dog is training. If you allow the dog to do something in training that you expect will need remediation later on you should consider it a ...

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I think the main issue with dog collars is what the dog feels. Dogs as well as people will feel the stimulation at different levels. If you are training your dog and using the collar as an avoidance training tool "teaching the dog it has the ability to turn off the stimulation by complying to the co...

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I can each a dog to sit by hitting him in the but with a wiffle ball bat . Just because it works does not make it right. My focus is to get the dog to perform tasks because it benefits the dog. When the dog sees the task as beneficial to the dog, it will respond incredibly well. The dog will not nee...

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To answer your question http://www.shootingsportsman.com/magazi ... nting-dogs Read this. Hey ezzie please tell us what was dishonest.The suspense is killing me . Did that guy take your lunch money or something.

Updated this I put the wrong article in. Sorry for any confusion.

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I would love a training program..but i don't have the money http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=george+hickox+dvd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Write a letter to santa and you are on your way. http://www.georgehickox.com/about_george_hickox_bird_dog_training_articles.html http://codeazur.com.br...

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I agree. I've been training all breeds of retrievers, and many other gundogs for over 35 years. What I've found - especially in regard to the now all too popular 'clicker vs. the world' pi$$ing matches on Internet boards, is that we are usually talking about two contrasting standards of the same wo...

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If you use clicker training this becomes very easy. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136755n Watch this video. The dog was trained to drive a car by itself. They used clicker training to do it. If you are interested in this method let me know I will give you the method. I used a clicker and ...

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You are training your dog to pull you, to go forward . Since you have been giving the dog consistent reinforcement and reward for this behavior it will continue to happen. If you chose to go with a corrective measure such as a pinch or prong collar it may work as long as you have the pinch or prong ...

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Because the owner wrote "he starts barking at me"

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I am curious on this one . Why is the dog barking at the handler when it is corrected? If the dog is properly collar conditioned shouldn't it associate the correction with non compliance . It seems to me the dog is collar wise and knows the correction is coming from the handler. I would try to give ...

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Yes force retrieve will fix it. I used this video as a guide http://www.georgehickox.com/about_george_hickox_dvd.html pointing dog 1-4 it works great. Keep in mind that you will need to put some pressure on the dog and some people are not able to follow through . If you are one of those people let a...

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You are going way to fast and expecting way to much of this dog. You need to understand the mechanism by which dogs learn to understand the introduction to the gun. Dogs learn by association, they do not have reason. Dogs do not use reason to make the connection between the gun and the bird, they ma...

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Here is some reading for you to check out. http://www.georgehickox.com/about_georg ... icles.html

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Prey drive is a combination of genetics and breeding. Recall is trained through consistent repetition. The two are at odds relative to the desire of the dog. If you want to have a dog that recalls under distraction you need to train for this.

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Bird dogs hunt by scent and herding dogs generally see the herd. If the herding dog has no scent or sight how does it know what it is herding.

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http://codeazur.com.br/pix/blogs/CultureClash.pdf This book should be very helpful and free as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTkYvn1HjrI Ian Dunbar is a phd in animal behavior he wrote the forward for this book. Spend some time researching and you will be able to train this dog with some effo...

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It certainly would be your best option.

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If you want this to work as in snake or deer breaking I think you need to take yourself out of the picture. The dog will have to perceive the correction as significant enough to take the motivation out of the dog. As soon as the dog gets that motivation back he will try again and if there is no corr...

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The dog will associate the cat as the cause of the correction and you may have made it worse. Unfortunately you are on the get the dog to kill something forum , and you need to be on the stop the dog from killing something forum. You may be able to successfully do this but it will take a greater und...

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The dog will associate the cat as the cause of the correction and you may have made it worse. Unfortunately you are on the get the dog to kill something forum , and you need to be on the stop the dog from killing something forum. You may be able to successfully do this but it will take a greater und...

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I'm going to try this . It will add another dog to the totally unscientific study. I'll let you know how I make out.

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Read the book culture clash by jean Donaldson. It is in PDF form online for free. Think to yourself what is it the dog gets from this behavior and how you can replace it with a more acceptable behavior for you. You are fighting against the dogs nature and if you do not succeed now how will you succe...

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If you want to train a dog to be steady to shot and fall , what are You training the dog to do if you allow it to break on the shot? Why train the retrieve before the dog is steady?

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The level of expectation you have for your dog is your personal choice and is limited by your commitment to train your dog as well as your ability understand training technique. As you get into this sport your knowledge will grow and your understanding of dogs and the game will depend on your abilit...

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The kennel response is usually very good because it is a safe zone for the dog. Since this is a safe zone for the dog to begin with it is best to introduce the collar to the dog with the kennel command. I am curious about your method as it relates to each command. Was the kennel command and intro to...

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DogNewbie wrote:I'm anxiously awaiting the light to come on for my pup on wild birds. He's been bumping pheasant and grouse all season.

In the picture he certainly looks happy enough, I guess all that chasing will do that to you!

4dabirds

Place the collar at the top of the dogs neck, put two fingers inside the collar. Tighten the collar down on the two fingers so they can be removed. The collar being at the top of the dogs neck will stay snug as this is the smallest area of the neck, and if it slides down it will get tighter.

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Some times when the dog creeps it may be that it is trying to get a better hold on where the scent is coming from. Some times it is the dog trying to visually see the bird. Some times it is the dog just roading in on the bird to flush it. In any case the dog perceives its movement as beneficial to t...

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nice thats what it is all about

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