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Didn't bother my dogs one bit, they stood through it. I'd rathe get a point, I be the one that flushes and not use that time to train someone else's dog. I believe roanies dogs are fine and he wants to be the one to flush and shoot. I proof my dogs, not their fault, they stand and are honest.

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Man oh man, sounds just like my story. Guy would take his 2.5 to boot kicker to trail my dog, didn't realize it at the moment. He's a bit older and has had more dogs. But is compley I dog at gaining them. I actually was working a limb find, sent the dog for a relocate and A shot exploded in front of...

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Same thing happened to me, literally same exact thing. Made me chain smoke and bend rebar with my mind. Have you hunted much with him before? If you are paying for the trip equally and he doesn't see eye to eye , guess that's hard cheese at this point. When I hunt if its my cover its my rules. Shoot...

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We have pointers, went from PPP to TOTW wetland. Solid stool, great energy , i buy into the no grain thing and it makes me happy, but it is pricey.

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Ezzy, he's making a name for himself. If someone wants the balls out best guide he's going to have a bunch of tailgate success hero shots. The public will eat it up.

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http://www.notssmbbs.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21037

Good free overview of west method.

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Dash, Good stuff, lots of years ahead of you,great promising gun dog. I'd let her point and do what you do, but stand there. Sooner or later she will move and "bust" the birds. Let her see that her movement busts them, as of now when you get in the picture that is the cue to move up. Let her see and...

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How old is the pup, have you hunted it, how long does it stand before you flush, what do you do at the flush and the dog do, are you holding the checkcord or is it dragging it, did you do yard work, had the pup caught a bird on the ground prior?

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I certainly agree with you too ultra. Once a program or a certain series of events is progressing the process goes so fast and fluid. I believe you are an advocate of steadying them young <1 yr, as am I. The dog will tell you, a flash point or a pause at the flush can go one or two ways, the way you...

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Try to end on a good note but don't drive home the mistake's. 5 birds in one session and didn't do any right? A good plan for failure. If you can't get the bird work you want in just a couple birds, stop on birds and go to something the dog does do well. End on a good note! So true Don. I firmly be...

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Great post Ray. I like my dogs to have recall, stay to the front and stand for my flushing attempt by 12 months. I do a bit of hacking to keep them close for the first few birds, then they get it. If the pup is standing and I'm in his field of view that bird is going down. Thank the man for woodcock!

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I don't road fly my birds between September and April. I will loft fly up to 1 mile away tho but only during midday on good clear days. Hawks still get birds but not as many during early morning or late evening. Remember there are two types of hawks accipiters (bird eaters) and buteos (mammal eaters...

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1) not quitting after 1 good rep 2) don't progress until they have mastered the predecessor 3) research different methods 4) when a pupil stands steady to wing and shot on their first wild bird It's not a race, get a goal in mind maybe you want a dog that hunts far and wide or close and slow, steady...

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I have a friend that treats throughout the day and his goes quite a bit, how much do you feed in the evening? Do they all get the same exercise? if you over feed they go more often and it's looser. Same goes for my friend with a lot of treats.

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If its public land you have as much of a right to be there as the next person utilizing the resource. With that being said if someone is in a covert I hunt in public land I go to my next, they could be deer hunting or bird hunting or mushroom hunting. I like peace and quiet and am sure they do too. ...

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If the dog understands that pointing is good and knocking is bad it won't take very long on some wild birds for her to figure it out. Only the bird can show the dog how close to get, otherwise you may end up with a dog that lacks confidence. Every species is different, our dogs point grouse 25 yard...

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September and October is skeet/IC , leaves come down is IC/mod. 1 oz of 7.5 all the time. I was a fan of 7.5 and 8 for a long time, but a few years ago I started trying 6's off of a suggestion from my father. I've actually grown to like using 6 shot and have since started using it more and more. Th...

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September and October is skeet/IC , leaves come down is IC/mod. 1 oz of 7.5 all the time.

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Keep a 4-5 ft rope on the dog so you can correct bad behaviors without being in reach of the dog. Best thing I ever did. When they go to jump up on the couch have your foot on the end, they hit the slack and instantly say off/no. If nothing else it gives them something else to keep them occupied wi...

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Love the first picture

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Hey man, this pup has been nothing but bad news for you and your family. Do what's best for you and your family. That being said I have an infant and a young son, not once did any of the older dogs or the puppy nip, steal a cookie or knock them down. A dog owns nothing , it is all yours and your fam...

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I had purchased the tek with ecollar and gps feature. It couldnt hold a signal in fields and it would loose contact way to much for my liking at ranges inside 100 yards. I sent it back to GDS and exchanged it for a Garmin unit. No complaints there. I only give technology and machines 1 chance, livin...

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Overlay the known commands to the e-collar. Begin with lowest stimulation possible until the dog responds to your reinforcing use of the e-collar to a known command.

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Just out of curiosity, do you suppose wild raptors learn to follow hunters with dogs? I can't tell you how many times I've hit a pheasant field and had a hawk show up about 5 minutes later. It doesn't seem like much of a leap to me. I can't speak from experience with hawks and game birds. I have wi...

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whoadog wrote: Me too, but I have no problem at all with teaching "whoa" to produce a broke dog. In fact, if you can do it without I'd pay big money to learn it from you.

Would you like to borrow my "training with mo" book?

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I got my press off deseeker on this site for use with my .410 reloads. 3" 5/8 ounce of copper plated 8's doing 1275 puts a hurting on anything inside 30 yards. Anyway early season grouse and woodcock along with preserve hunts . Great for training, especially in thick timber.

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I don't pay to hunt. However if I were to charge to let hunters on my land I would do so at a rate of 50$ a day.

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Your first handful of posts are monitored to ensure content and replies match the format of the site. This ensures no "trolls" or trouble makers sign up and post nonsense, think of it as a vetting process if you will.

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Great picture, thanks for sharing!

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bb560m wrote:It's getting old fast; going on these nature walks.

I hate armed hikes. Woodcock is over, deer hunters are in the woods and mushrooms are finished. Time to cover scout again I guess.

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Young dogs need to figure out how their nose works. If he is stoping on first scent no matter 20 yards or 2 feet you have a good thing. If he points at 20 yards and creeps up to 2 feet you have a problem. Good advice in popping the bird in first scent. Gets them staunch in a hurry. Good luck with yo...

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I like a 3-7 mph wind that is consistent. Swirling winds or gusts/breeze I found not conducive to New England ruffs. "Wind from the east and the fish bite the least. wind from the west and fishing is the best, wind from the south blows the fly into the fish's mouth." Not sure where I read that. Seem...

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My plan is to only fire the cap gun when he has a bird on his mind. Get him very birdy for quite sometime. Then follow the gun intro plan, and don't fire on every bird then. You are done this season hunting wise until you get this together. Take it slow and stick to a proven gun intro method. Seein...

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Angus wrote:
As far as treats go, I would use a piece of kibble as a reward. cheap and the pup is just as happy.
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Same here... A free hand out is a free hand out

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I think this forum really needs a "beginner training" board. A place where new gundog owners can ask questions and get feedback from experienced trainers who like to help out including obedience type stuff. ". I like that idea. The current "training" section is great for how-to information on force...

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A turn signal is what your looking for. Each time you change direction either whistle, beep, or yell to her to go with you. Some would call what your looking to do as "hacking", or altering the dogs natural range and pattern for your own gain. This is done with a check cord in the yard first then ge...

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The dog needs physical correction by you first either a knee or your hands then like everything else you must overlay it to a voice command.It must be personal (hands on and with authority) as a child has not enough authority to their hands knee or voice to get the point across . How old is child?

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Pushing the dog back and saying back, leave it or simply no will work. I use "leave it" in place of no and back. no sounds like whoa . Be sure to instill this command physically every time in the befinning so the dog knows you mean business and soon you can correct from afar.

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Time depends how far from you the pup is when on point. It varies during hunting and it should in your training. When the pup edtablishes point he should remain pointed until you flush the bird/and or shoot the bird. Should he break at any other time the pup gets a correction. That being said dont c...

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Ruger 10/22 with a bull barrel, 2x7 40 scope and r-subsonics.

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Having had many enjoyable hunts behind hard and fast working EP's , I would say you should go for it. They slam into the scent cone and hold for the gun. I can tell you that most of the birds that I walk up are flushing out of the tops of evergreen trees on very windy days or when I hit the ground t...

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With a lock wing: Plant the lock wing in loose cover i.e. on the edge of a blow down and put the launcher in the blow down , upwind 15-20' from the lock wing bird. Bring the check-corded dog in downwind of the lock wing bird, when pup scents pop the bird. Do not let the dog point. When the dog pulls...

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Lacking a launcher, you do not want to put bird to sleep for a loose dog that's not solid on it's point's. Do so and you invite the dog to take out the bird. What you need to do, and the dog should be well along, is to dizzy the bird. Hold it upside down and spin it's head in circles. When it's nec...

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8 weeks. When they are loft flying; flying around the area and orientating themselves. They will be most likely flying over your training grounds. By 8 weeks they will be plenty strong and trapping on their own, albeit not as spooky as older birds that learn to fear the ground. By fear the ground, a...

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The age of the pup was lost as I read the myriad of posts. Subconsciously I assumed the pup was older and bolder as the poster was demanding much more than should be expected from a young pup.The book you have ordered will cover the bases and what you are looking for. Expect a 7month old to act like...

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Almost forgot. Chicks will fledge at 3-4 wks then be ready to home at 6 weeks. although the only caveat is how far you are training from your loft?

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I like the belly band for whoa training then transfer to birds, no commands given dog move a stim then bird pops simultaneously,. If you taught on the neck then stim the neck for whoa, dog knocks the bird then correct it! No problem with the check cord, control the dog or the bird no excuse for erro...

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Two eggs at a time then when the chicks are around two weeks old they lay two more eggs in the nest box next door. Usually next month they do the same. Starting in march going through late september around 10 clutches.

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+1 on quail being scent bird , launched pigeons being the sight bird.

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I am not sure what wild birds you have in VA. Quail, grouse, woodcock? Anyway if you can guarantee your dog gets into 3-5 birds in about an hour you should be doing well a couple times a week. Then the leash goes in and get out of there. Check your laws for wild bird training, we have to be out of t...

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