Ivomec ?

dog dr · Post by **dog dr** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:31 pm

I wouldnt be afraid to use ivomec on a pregnant female. that stuff is one of the safest insecticidal drugs there is unless your a collie, and I am pretty confident it is safe during gestation. that being said, I try to learn something new everyday, and if the new thing i learn today is dont use ivomec on a pregnant dog, then so be it!!

Addict · Post by **Addict** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:19 pm

I've wondered for a while what my vet thought about using ivomec for worming. Today while I had my GSP in for shots she told me that it is alright to use it. I will be giving it a try soon now that I got her OK.

Addict

CherrystoneWeims · Post by **CherrystoneWeims** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:50 pm

snips wrote:I never use Ivomec on pregnant females, I stop after breeding and do not resume until weaning.

Brenda, I do the same thing. I feel that anything chemical is not good for the developing pups. I also think that such a short time without HW preventative is not going to hurt the bitch.

GL · Post by GL » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:34 am

I have just one dog and one cat so the 50 Ml. bottle would last far longer then the expiration date.

Is there any way to split the bottle between two or three friends?

Based on what I am reading, there is a need to maintain complete sterility if injecting the stuff. Since we are not injecting it but giving it orally, would it be ok to just split the bottle three ways into good sterile containers?

Gary

bobman · Post by **bobman** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:14 am

I think it would be fine, I dont know if you can give it to cats though

highcotton · Post by **highcotton** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:07 am

Everything on the our place (older than 5 months) gets ivomec every month including bred or nursing females.

GL · Post by GL » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:53 am

Think I have read every post on the subject and more then I can digest.

One place I read where cats can be treated but the dosage seems to be much higher and I don't understand this nor can I find exactly where I read it again.

I think if I checked the dosages on Heartguard or Interceptor for both cats and dogs I could figure out how much to give the cat.

In reality, I think the cat would require the higher dosage based on his diet of cat chow fed here and the deserts he catches and eats on his own while hunting. He probably has a much greater tendency to run into types of worms other then heart worms.

Since worms can be gotten in so many ways by both cats and dogs I think its wise to stay well ahead of this annoyance. When both cats and dogs share the same home and either are subject to drink and eat from each others bowls I find it necessary to treat both.

Opinions and info are certainly welcome here from other who share the same conditions.

Gary

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:01 pm

GL wrote:I have just one dog and one cat so the 50 Ml. bottle would last far longer then the expiration date.

Is there any way to split the bottle between two or three friends?

Based on what I am reading, there is a need to maintain complete sterility if injecting the stuff. Since we are not injecting it but giving it orally, would it be ok to just split the bottle three ways into good sterile containers?

Gary

Gary,

I split the Ivermectin with a friend, but not in the way you mention. We just get together once a month for a Ivermectin and Pizza get together. I bought this bottle, he'll buy the next one.

Best, Greg J.

GL · Post by GL » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:13 pm

Whens the next party Greg?

Shame on you both for getting together to have Pizza and beers while the dogs do drugs!

I'm sure that too is a viable option but still don't think there is anything wrong with just transfering the liquid into suitable bottles as long as we are not injecting it.

Gary

Sonny Hawkins · Post by **Sonny Hawkins** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:48 pm

When I started using Ivomec a few years ago , It was around 50.00 , now the price has dropped to 35.00 same amount, same , same. My co-op also has Generic for 26.00. When I buy I check exp date, and select the bottle that has the latter date. I always do the same on sweet milk and butter milk, Check the exp date. Just makes good sense.

Sonny

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:19 pm

GL wrote:

Whens the next party Greg?

Shame on you both for getting together to have Pizza and beers while the dogs do drugs!

I'm sure that too is a viable option but still don't think there is anything wrong with just transfering the liquid into suitable bottles as long as we are not injecting it.

Gary

Hi Gary, the next party will be next week sometime, but it's a long way from NY to SW OH.

I don't think there would be a problem with splitting it either. Just have to be careful to not contaminate it.

I got this batch for $27 for 50ml. That's so cheap that you could just use it up to the expiration date and toss the rest.

Best regards, Greg J.

3forme · Post by **3forme** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:54 am

Quick question guys/gals I bought the Ivomec from the link someone supplied and didn't realize until it arrived that it says INJECTION on the front of the box, did I make a mistake?? It comes in a small plastic bottle, clear liquid?? And from all I have read 1/10cc per 10 lbs of body weight is sufficient, correct?

GL · Post by GL » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:24 am

If being administered to cattle or Horses then it is injected because they have the additional digestive pouches attached to their stomacks.

For use in Dogs we either spray it in the back roof of their mouth or give it mixed in something they will eat.
Sounds like you got the right stuff but do not inject it in your dog.

Gary

3forme · Post by **3forme** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:29 am

GL wrote:If being administered to cattle or Horses then it is injected because they have the additional digestive pouches attached to their stomacks.

For use in Dogs we either spray it in the back roof of their mouth or give it mixed in something they will eat.
Sounds like you got the right stuff but do not inject it in your dog.

Gary

Thank you

dog dr · Post by **dog dr** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:13 pm

you can inject it into dogs, but it is just as effective and a whole lot easier to just squirt it in their mouths. "digestive pouches attached to their stomachs" has nothing to do with it, and with all due respect, really doesnt make much sense.

GL · Post by GL » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:21 pm

I was only quoting what another Vet had written from a link on page one of this thread.
Dr. Jerrey Vanek, Sled dog thread.

"Starting on ivermectin: First problem: yes, ivermectin is just as effective if given orally as injectable (well, okay, 95% available). The problem here is that dogs are "monogastrics". They have only one stomach. In ruminants, like cattle and sheep, which have a stomach and three fore-stomachs (no, they do not have "four" stomachs -- they have "fore" stomachs, pouches ahead of the real stomach), the ivermectin is only 25% to 33% available because it is de-activated in the rumen (one of the three fore-stomachs). Hence, it is injected into ruminants to by-pass digestion by the fore-stomachs. (Horses also are monogastrics and it is given to equines as a paste. Please, please don't inject your dogs with a horse paste.) Give it orally."

This made perfect sense to me!

Gary

Sonny Hawkins · Post by **Sonny Hawkins** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:57 pm

Ivomec for cattle is what I use. If you give it to cattle you Inject 1cc per 110lbs of body weight, Not over 10cc at any given location on the animal. My vet says when giving it to a Dog, Do it by MOUTH and if you give more than 1 tenth cc per 20 lbs of dog you are giving to much , Giving 1 tenth cc per 10lbs will work for now, But later on your dog will have KIDNEY problems. Thats what my VET says. Its up to YOU

Sonny

3forme · Post by **3forme** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:47 pm

Sonny Hawkins wrote:Ivomec for cattle is what I use. If you give it to cattle you Inject 1cc per 110lbs of body weight, Not over 10cc at any given location on the animal. My vet says when giving it to a Dog, Do it by MOUTH and if you give more than 1 tenth cc per 20 lbs of dog you are giving to much , Giving 1 cc per 10lbs will work for now, But later on your dog will have KIDNEY problems. Thats what my VET says. Its up to YOU Sonny

Thanks Sonny,definately don't want any kidney problems here! I am using it as prevent so I will use it sparingly as I don't want any headaches.

Sonny Hawkins · Post by **Sonny Hawkins** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:11 pm

Sorry, What I ment to say , If you give more than 1 tenth cc per 20 lbs. It could cause KIDNEY damage larter on.

Sonny PS, My wife has a chihuahua, weighs 5 or 6 lbs . I give him .05 of 1 tenth cc per month. Thanks Sonny

rkalgren · Post by **rkalgren** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:02 pm

There is alot of good info here. Just thought that I would bump it back up, since it took me so long to find it.

RayGubernat · Post by **RayGubernat** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:17 pm

Folks -

Since we are bumping this thread up again...let's not forget that the REAL dosage for the prevention of heartworm is 273 MICROgrams for a 50-100 # dog.

That is several orders of magnitude below what most folks(including myself) dose when using the Ivomec injectable for cattle which is 1% or 10 mg/ml. That is 10,000 Micrograms per ml if I have the math correct.

Soooo, if all you are intersted in is hartwork prevention, about 2 drops of the cattle Ivomec is all you really need.

As I understand it, the higher dosage of Ivomec does have some other antiparisitic effects, so that is why I dose at the level of 0.1cc per 10# when using the 1% Ivomec.

RayG

Post by **kninebirddog** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:38 pm

At the slightly higher dose it will take care of round worms for fact

I tried the foster smith version of nemex II will not be doing that again wormed at 2 weeks 4 weeks then at 6 weeks I add the Ivermection and guess what...Pups were semi loaded with round worms which on the ivermectin dose eliminated them...
I called fostersmith and told them they took the rest of bottle of their Pro wormer back and gave us credit but ...it still didn't make me very happy at all when I was worming the pups all along and have never had this problem before when using the NEmex ii

live and learn stick with what works

Post by **ezzy333** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:30 pm

My dogs have been Ivomec for a couple of years at the .1 per 10 lb rate and we haven't had any worms show up withthem or with our puppies. No round worms or any others either which is a first. I guess it proves if mom is free the pups can be also.

Ezzy

Meller · Post by **Meller** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:59 pm

I've been useing Ivomec for the past 20 years orally and have not seen any side effects other than no worms; for the past year and a half I've used zimmectrin gold paste and have no side effects there either; It is my understanding that the zimmectrin get the worms that ivomec does'nt. Like I said no side effects that I've noticed, just no worms.

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:29 pm

Meller the difference in Zimectrin gold and the 1% injectible ivomec is strength and the addition of praziquantel. The praziquantel takes care of tape worms which are a completely different animal from round, and whipworms.

I've been using the zimectrin gold since it came out to the tune of hundreds of doses and have never seen a problem from it. Takes care of everything from A-Z when it comes to worms including heartworm. CR

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:42 pm

Hay guys I hate to tell you this but the proper dosage is 1/10cc per 10 lbs AFTER it has been diluted 25 to 1 with glycol, and I didn't see any mention of diluting it in the original post.
1/10ml of strait ivomec is way to much. (unless you are dossing for mange)

Post by **ezzy333** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:24 pm

I don't dilute but use the amount recommended by our vet if you want to control all of the worms that it will kill. 1/10 to 20 lbs for heartworm or 10 lbs to control the other worms.

Ezzy

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:56 am

As mentioned, the diluted way gets down to the dosage for heartworm-only prevention. The 1%, 0.1ml per 10lbs/20lbs of body mass gets much more. It's off-label, but it seems like everyone in the country with several dogs is doing it with great success.

Myself, I've gone to the paste for the convenience. A half-click once per month.

Greg J.

mtjim · Post by **mtjim** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:25 pm

Greg Jennings wrote:As mentioned, the diluted way gets down to the dosage for heartworm-only prevention. The 1%, 0.1ml per 10lbs/20lbs of body mass gets much more. It's off-label, but it seems like everyone in the country with several dogs is doing it with great success.

Myself, I've gone to the paste for the convenience. A half-click once per month.

Greg J.

Greg, what's the exact name of the paste you are using and the mfgr?

Thanks,

Jim

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:32 am

Manufacturer: Horse Health Products
Name: Horse Health Equine Ivermectin Paste 1.87%
Location: Tractor Supply

That's what I have, but any 1.87% paste will do. Charlie Rose (Wildrose) is pretty much the dean of this. He got Ross (Yallawac) onto it, then I followed suit. I just didn't like seeing half a 50ml bottle of the 1% liquid going to waste.

At my TSC, the paste is generally around $3-4 per tube. I try to catch it on sale, of course, and have seen it as low as $2.75.

Greg J.

zzweims · Post by **zzweims** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:25 pm

I give it to my pregnant and nursing bitches. HW is common year round in the south. I'd rather lose the pups than risk my girls getting HW. My vet worked out the formula of 1% bovine for me: .027 (about 2 drops undiluted) per 70lbs--which is roughly what a very pregnant weim bitch will weigh. This is for HW only. I now use this dosage monthly on all of my dogs, pregnant or not. Most come no where close to 70 lbs, but it's hard to give less without diluting it. Then about 4 times a year, I will bump up the dosage to 1/20th per 10lbs to clean up the other parasites. Been doing it this way for 10 years. Haven't lost a pup yet. Haven't had a dog with HW either.

Aline
http://sitekreator.com/zzfarms

Post by **ezzy333** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:39 am

My dogs have never had any other wormer besides the Ivomec and they donot show any in the stool samples. This has been for 5 years now.

Ezzy

nitrex · Post by **nitrex** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:18 pm

WildRose wrote:Meller the difference in Zimectrin gold and the 1% injectible ivomec is strength and the addition of praziquantel. The praziquantel takes care of tape worms which are a completely different animal from round, and whipworms.

I've been using the zimectrin gold since it came out to the tune of hundreds of doses and have never seen a problem from it. Takes care of everything from A-Z when it comes to worms including heartworm. CR

How much Zimectrin Gold are you giving for a 50# dog?

Nitrex

LoveMyGSPs · Post by **LoveMyGSPs** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:07 pm

Lots, I mean LOTS of info on this thread...

For a newbie, I just want to clarify.

If I want HW prevention ONLY, I can give 1/10 cc per 20 lbs of the 1% cattle wormer.

If I want HW and other worm prevention, I can give 1/10cc per 10 lbs.

Now the paste wormer is VERY attractive to me b/c I have horses and b/c my mare is only 1000lbs, I always have wormer left over as the tubes usually paste 1300-1500lbs. I rotate between Equimax (ivermectin and praziquantel) which does kill tapes, and Quest (moxidectin) which gets large and small strongyles.

Is it ok to give the Equimax to the dogs? If so, how much? One click?

AND finally...

Is it an either/or or and when it comes to the wormers. Meaning, do you use the cattle AND the paste or do you use the cattle OR the paste?

Thanks so much!

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:15 am

Even the .1 per 20 lbs is more than is needed for heartworm. In 7 years of using it, I've never had a worm of any kind. A lot of folks use the .1 per 10 lbs for the same reason.

If you want heartworm only, you can dilute the liquid Ivermectin with propylene glycol. Information on that on the web. Then, you'd dose at .1 per 10 lbs.

I don't know about anything but the plain ol' generic Ivermectin paste. I give a half-click to the dog and don't worry about the rest.

And, it's either/or, not BOTH. They are ways to get to the same thing. Giving both would be double-dosing.

Meller · Post by **Meller** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:41 am

On the Zimmectrin Gold, I just pound it out, each notch is for 50lb's body weight, so I adjust for the weight of each dog; I have used this for the last 3-4 years and have had no problem's that I'm aware of ;But every one needs to use what thier comfortable with.

Adam Dahlstrom · Post by **Adam Dahlstrom** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:52 pm

If Ivomec doesn't work on tapes what does everyone do to treat them? Switch everyother month with something else or not worry about them? Just wondering I am going to start ivomec the first of the month and was just wondering if I need to get something for tapeworms too. Also, sorry if this was on this or another post I looked and couldn't find an answer to what people do.

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:47 pm

nitrex wrote:
WildRose wrote:Meller the difference in Zimectrin gold and the 1% injectible ivomec is strength and the addition of praziquantel. The praziquantel takes care of tape worms which are a completely different animal from round, and whipworms.

I've been using the zimectrin gold since it came out to the tune of hundreds of doses and have never seen a problem from it. Takes care of everything from A-Z when it comes to worms including heartworm. CR

How much Zimectrin Gold are you giving for a 50# dog?

Nitrex

Two notches or "clicks". The plunger is graduated in 50-lbs increments (for horses). This gives you about the right amount of praziquantel for a dog, and it's a slight overdose with the zimectrin. It takes a huge overdose though to cause problems.

I've administered a couple of thousand doses on this regimen since they came out with the "gold" and it's worked great with zero side effects.

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:48 pm

Adam Dahlstrom wrote:If Ivomec doesn't work on tapes what does everyone do to treat them? Switch everyother month with something else or not worry about them? Just wondering I am going to start ivomec the first of the month and was just wondering if I need to get something for tapeworms too. Also, sorry if this was on this or another post I looked and couldn't find an answer to what people do.

Read the above about zimectrin gold. CR

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:50 pm

Is it an either/or or and when it comes to the wormers. Meaning, do you use the cattle AND the paste or do you use the cattle OR the paste?

Thanks so much!

One or the other, not both.

Sandy Meador · Post by **Sandy Meador** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:41 am

A lot of times on threads you will see there were X number of views - and only a couple of replies/posts. Well, I'd like to thank everyone that has posted on this thread. This has got to be one of the most imformative threads I've read in a few years - on ANY subject. Thanks everyone!

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:44 am

Can someone tell me why it shouldnt be used on "sight breeds" (greyhounds, whippetts etc.)

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:53 pm

Boomer wrote:Can someone tell me why it shouldnt be used on "sight breeds" (greyhounds, whippetts etc.)

I know of no reason why ivomec cannot be used on the sight hounds. The only problem or warning I've ever seen is that for border collies and collie hybrids (like Australian Shepherds) there is about a 1/1000 neurological complication that can be fatal.

If there is a problem with it's use in the sight hounds I've not seen anything on it.

nanney1 · Post by **nanney1** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:41 am

I've been using INTERCEPTOR (milbemycin oxime) and the active ingredient is different from the Ivermectin in the Heartguard. My dogs have been on the Interceptor tablets but I'm about to run out.

Any possible issues with switching to Ivomec? I can get the small bottle at TSC.

sfellc · Post by **sfellc** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:51 pm

Any possible issues with switching to Ivomec? I can get the small bottle at TSC.[/quote]

I have just started using a product called "ivermectin equine paste dewormer" and I got this from a well known breeder that has been using it for many years with no problems. It cost me about 2 bucks for roughly 10 "servings". Much better than the 5.50 I was paying for the heartgaurd. I have read somewhere to stay away from the ivermectin "plus" though.

whitedogone · Post by **whitedogone** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:47 pm

Do you store the unused Ivomec in the frig? My bottle has an expiration date of 2013

bphelps56 · Post by **bphelps56** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:49 pm

I store my Ivomec in the refrigerator even though it is not required. I sit it out of the refrigerator for a few hours to reach room temperature before usage. It is easier for me to draw through the needle if it is at room temperature.

CherrystoneWeims · Post by **CherrystoneWeims** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:15 am

It doesn't need to be refridgerated but it DOES need to be kept in a dark place. Light breaks down the formula.

Richard *UT* · Post by Richard *UT* » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:15 pm

I was looking for this info and it took a bit to finaly come accross this one in a search. It looks like there are alot of questions about Ivomec that keep popping up. Often times the answer given is to do a search. I think that any info that might be needed is answered in this thread or could be added to this thread. I thought in migh be a good idea to ad this the the hall of fame section or just make this a sticky in the health and nutrition section. What do you all think?

kumate · Post by **kumate** » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:49 pm

I have used ivomec at 1cc per 100lbs undiluted for over 20 yrs with o probs

Jerry

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