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Post by Ron R » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:18 am

I attended the annual NRA gun show in St.Louis on Sunday and while I was checking out a red dot sight booth they had 3 tv's replaying a video. In this video they had a guy in the woods at a trap station demonstrating this red dot sight on his bolt action rifle. They were releasing wild hogs and he was shooting them on the run. First he was shooting singles and dropping them dead. Then they started releasing three to seven at a time and it was ugly. I could not believe my eyes and stood there and watched the video for about 10 minutes. I didn't even see the point that they were trying to make but they sure were proud of what they were doing. They didn't even hide the trap station with the shooter. Talk about painting a horrible picture of hunters and sportsman. Let me see if I can google the sight and post the video...you truly have to see it to believe it.
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Ron R wrote: Let me see if I can google the sight and post the video...
My work computer blocks the sight but it's aimpoint.
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Post by Cajun Casey » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:39 am

I don't even have to look, but that is not hunting, it is extreme pest control and I hope they exterminate those nasty things.
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Post by topher40 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:42 am

I doubt anyone in wild hog country is going to have problems with slaughter these destructive beast's! I really dont care what others think, the only good hog is a dead one. They cost landowners, tax payers and hunters billions of dollars each year. The economic impact is enormous and they need to be eradicated. Wish I would have had the privilege to be the shooter.
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Post by Redfishkilla » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:47 am

"I doubt anyone in wild hog country is going to have problems with slaughter these destructive beast's! I really dont care what others think, the only good hog is a dead one. They cost landowners, tax payers and hunters billions of dollars each year. The economic impact is enormous and they need to be eradicated. Wish I would have had the privilege to be the shooter."

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Post by Karen » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:56 am

Must be like the white tail deer around here....except more dangerous.
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Post by Ron R » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:08 am

I hunt hogs. My point is the video doesn't portray hunters in a very good light and didn't really make any sense. BTW, if we had hogs here I surely would have some hog dogs and just one birddog.
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Post by ultracarry » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:32 am

Just walk up to them and shoot them behind the ear... Don't reap, hold, release, shoot. There is a huge difference.

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Post by ezzy333 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:42 am

Any animal deserves the respect of us as hunters and predators. Shooting into a bunch of hogs is not cintrol but is nothing re than feeding your desire to shoot something knowing full well you aren't going to kill it but rather just injure or cripple them to where they do become dangerous. Always fun to shoot but if I shoot something it is going to be done in a manner that there is a likelyhood it will die very quickly.

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Post by markj » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 am

In texas you can hunt them from a helicopter using a full auto, there is a vid on youtube showint that. 3 round bursts, they leave em lay there dead and or wounded. Different strokes....

I say round them pigs up and ship em to afganistan, then I could go and open a bar b que place there :) or not...
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Post by Cajun Casey » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:02 am

markj wrote:In texas you can hunt them from a helicopter using a full auto, there is a vid on youtube showint that. 3 round bursts, they leave em lay there dead and or wounded. Different strokes....

I say round them pigs up and ship em to afganistan, then I could go and open a bar b que place there :) or not...
I'm pretty sure we have an aircraft hunting law in Oklahoma, also, that was proposed in consideration of feral hog control. I don't have any respect for destructive invasive species. I will dunk a trap full of sparrows or starlings in a millisecond and have no qualms about poisoning rats. Hogs are no different.
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Post by Chukar12 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:19 am

We are doomed; IMO ...its pointless, counter productive, and depending on the subject matter unconstitutional to attempt to regulate common sense. There are a billion ways to prove the features and benefits of a product like that without using something as offensive to so many as described. It isn't about the right to do it...not yet; currently its about the responsibility. However, that will change, all we have to do is to continue to provide or force motivation on the unmotivated until they all join the cause against us...and then we can wrap ourselves in this flag of ignorance and go down with the ship....unbelievable.

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Post by the_possum » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:22 am

if i'm not eating it or skinning it i'm not shooting it.

and if i'm pulling the trigger its only because i fully believe that i will make a quick and clean killing shot with no follow up necessary.

i can't view the video at work but based on what i'm reading it sounds like the type of thing that does nothing to build up our outdoor heritage and instead gives others a tool with which to tear it down.

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Post by Sharon » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:04 pm

ezzy333 wrote:Any animal deserves the respect of us as hunters and predators. Shooting into a bunch of hogs is not cintrol but is nothing re than feeding your desire to shoot something knowing full well you aren't going to kill it but rather just injure or cripple them to where they do become dangerous. Always fun to shoot but if I shoot something it is going to be done in a manner that there is a likelyhood it will die very quickly.

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Post by Cajun Casey » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:14 pm

www.tacticalhogcontrol.com

My only issue with this is they don't get enough of them.
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Post by markj » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:39 pm

Some of the texas folks have suffered great losses due to these feral hogs, they are like rats or mice in the cow feed. I use glue strips for them, toss em into the wood burner and good riddance.

I also shoot yotes, trap vermin etc and kill them along with them feral cats seem to pop up a lot these days. Do as you wish but I find it hard to comment on those in such a bad situation as some of them foks are in.
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Post by ezzy333 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:51 pm

markj wrote:Some of the texas folks have suffered great losses due to these feral hogs, they are like rats or mice in the cow feed. I use glue strips for them, toss em into the wood burner and good riddance.

I also shoot yotes, trap vermin etc and kill them along with them feral cats seem to pop up a lot these days. Do as you wish but I find it hard to comment on those in such a bad situation as some of them foks are in.
Mark, you aren't going to get special recognition just because you do what most of us do. But the only difference is how. There is still a difference in being a caring sportsman and someone just trying to be a little more Macho than someone else. Look at Casey's post. Makes her sound like a real concerned person who is suffering great hardship from an animal and yet she isn't even involved enough to do anything about it. I can have you both over to our farm where the pigs are located. I know how destructive they are and I will welcome you to hunt and kill what you can but there are still and lets hope always will be a right and a wrong way to do it. And it doesn't make anyone a better person when they try to act real macho about how they do it. It just isn't impressive to talk rather then do and do it right.

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Post by ultracarry » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:55 pm

Trap and kill the pests but don't make a promotional video of you releasing them to kill them while they are running. There are plenty of hungry people that could use the meat. Trap them all, put a single bullet in them, clean them and send them off to feed the needy.

I would go shoot some pigs for a farmer in California, clean them, layer the bottom of my truck bed with plastic, cover the pigs, and layer with ice... Drive 5 hours to the butchr and have them all cleaned. Fed a lot of family and friends.
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ultracarry wrote:Trap and kill the pests but don't make a promotional video of you releasing them to kill them while they are running. There are plenty of hungry people that could use the meat. Trap them all, put a single bullet in them, clean them and send them off to feed the needy.

I would go shoot some pigs for a farmer in California, clean them, layer the bottom of my truck bed with plastic, cover the pigs, and layer with ice... Drive 5 hours to the butchr and have them all cleaned. Fed a lot of family and friends.
Good post and points out exactly what I am talking about. Much more impessive than killing to just be killing something. You have my respect!!!

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Post by Cajun Casey » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:20 pm

Many commercial processors are hesitant to take them because of disease. Pseudorabies and brucellosis are both found in feral hogs. The meat is virtually unusable on large boars. We kill a lot of rats that are fairly hefty, but we aren't going to eat them, either.
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Post by Chukar12 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:26 pm

I missed the post where anyone objected to shooting a single wretched hog? Casey did not post anything relevant to Ron's original post, unless I missed a tasteless kill video on that website link? This is the problem with trying to solve anything...

If Ron enters the debate on the negative regarding the specific video and presentation of the product in it...keeping in mind it's impact on the precarious freedoms of hunting heritage, who will take up the positive or pro side of the debate using the example he has described? NOT the argument about whether people have the right to kill feral hogs...everyone I have seen post thus far is pro the eradication.

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In Texas anyway, the elected politicians and public are expanding rights and opportunities to kill this non-native species even to the point of talking about a bounty, which I support. I haven’t seen this video but this was at a gun show or some type of like minded gathering. People had elected to be there. And it’s on the internet where you have to actively search to find it and view it. It can’t be worse than the “art” the LA area puts out called porn. Once again I live in Texas, shooting pigs off farms has been done not only for meat but as population control for my whole life and I’m almost 30. If you told a farmer you saw ten hogs and didn’t kill em because you didn’t have a clean shot or had a truck bed full of them already he would still chide you at the least and possibly scold you. You can’t eat every single one that needs to be killed. I have killed, clean and put up over 17 in one weekend with an old man I used to hunt with. We, (Texans) are not under ANY threat from the public, in general, or hippies specifically as far as rights curtailment. But let me take this chance to tell you who are actively a threat to my rights to hunt quail with my bird dogs. A group of “common sense” people known as quail hunters and quail lovers. They, for a reason I struggle with, have decided it would be a good idea to shorten the Texas Quail hunting season by 25%, taking away the right to hunt in the month of February. They have lobbied the state for this. I am not aware of any study that shows hunting pressure is the reason for the population decline in this state, nor am I aware of any study that has concluded that removing quail hunting rights in February will have the desired effect. Quail hunters police themselves by not shooting too many quail on bad years. Most land is private in Texas and many hunters have long term relationships with landowners. We don’t have the “shoot it before the next guy can” mentality of some other states with more public land. I do pay plenty of money to the landowners and the state for the days I get to spend in the field. I highly doubt that my quail leases will be 25% cheaper because of the new season. I hunted about 15 days last year is all, I killed one wild quail. That wouldn’t get most of you out of bed those days but I do it because I love it!!! I like watching my dogs run, I like the few covey contacts we get, I like tired dogs. I shot in the air on average twice a day to fake the dogs into thinking I’m trying to do my job. It’s sad but this is what I think of every day of the year of as I deal with little old ladies and rich ranchers. My time spent in the field with my dogs is why I put up with the rest of the year……and saltwater fishing.

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Post by Chukar12 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:46 pm

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I think you make good points, the danger you face are federal laws superseding the state laws, and it's happening with much greater regularity as information makes the country and world smaller. I could be wrong and my point of view is my own but I get no joy, and certainly no rush from watching released big game animals shot on the run in non kills and flop around to die

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markj wrote:In texas you can hunt them from a helicopter using a full auto, there is a vid on youtube showint that. 3 round bursts, they leave em lay there dead and or wounded. Different strokes....

I say round them pigs up and ship em to afganistan, then I could go and open a bar b que place there :) or not...

Sounds like an excellent management technique for growing a healthy Coyote population! Hogs are a problem, but so are those few who tarnish the reputation and traditions of subsistence hunters and sportsman.
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Cajun Casey wrote:Many commercial processors are hesitant to take them because of disease. Pseudorabies and brucellosis are both found in feral hogs. The meat is virtually unusable on large boars. We kill a lot of rats that are fairly hefty, but we aren't going to eat them, either.
You aren't talking from experience when your saying the meat is virtually unusable in large boars! We eat them all the same large and small. Add a little extra fat to the 250+ boars and I have people lined up to take that unusable meat. Filled a deep freezer with three of them and it was gone before we knew it.

BTW a rat and hog are completely different as the hogs feed people. Do you really think those people starving in the world would turn down a hog? Most processers out here will cut up anything you bring to them. Just bring it in field dressed, skinned and washed.

Leaving them dead is just disrespectful to the animals and shows just how much you treat everything else. If there was a problem with disease don't you think letting them lay would help spread such disease.

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Post by birddogger » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:11 pm

I am glad that at least a few people on here understand the point Ron is making!

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Garrison wrote:
markj wrote:In texas you can hunt them from a helicopter using a full auto, there is a vid on youtube showint that. 3 round bursts, they leave em lay there dead and or wounded. Different strokes....

I say round them pigs up and ship em to afganistan, then I could go and open a bar b que place there :) or not...

Sounds like an excellent management technique for growing a healthy Coyote population! Hogs are a problem, but so are those few who tarnish the reputation and traditions of subsistence hunters and sportsman.
The helicopter guys aren't hunters, that seems to be the tough part to understand...... they are nuisance animal control weather paid for by ranchers/farmers or the state . Got nothing to do with hunting.... If hunters wish to take an animal I'm sure they are welcome to but to confuse hunting with invasive animal control because both may use a gun is a little close minded.

I too agree with Ron, putting that on video as some kind of advert was a dumb idea.
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Was this the video? If so it was filmed in Hungary.

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I understand about the video, it serves no purpose. You can show people the dumb red light without having to do that. But hogs are a problem that will be dealt with in a manner that will cross some folk's subjective lines....For instance not every hog that is killed will be retrieved and fixed for consumption. I’m convinced that they are part of the problem with the quail population decline in Texas.

"the danger you face are federal laws superseding the state laws,"

Maybe another Civil War in the future????? just kidding, just kidding.... You are certainly right that the federal hand seems to be touching more and more of our lives everyday......good debate.

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Redfishkilla wrote:I understand about the video, it serves no purpose. You can show people the dumb red light without having to do that. But hogs are a problem that will be dealt with in a manner that will cross some folk's subjective lines....For instance not every hog that is killed will be retrieved and fixed for consumption. I’m convinced that they are part of the problem with the quail population decline in Texas.

"the danger you face are federal laws superseding the state laws,"

Maybe another Civil War in the future????? just kidding, just kidding.... You are certainly right that the federal hand seems to be touching more and more of our lives everyday......good debate.
I know people who have hunted the Mariposa for decades blame part of the ranch's quail decline on hogs. 10-11 season was poor. My dogs didn't work there last year, but one still ran up his first feral in southern Oklahoma.

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ezzy333 wrote:Any animal deserves the respect of us as hunters and predators. Shooting into a bunch of hogs is not cintrol but is nothing re than feeding your desire to shoot something knowing full well you aren't going to kill it but rather just injure or cripple them to where they do become dangerous. Always fun to shoot but if I shoot something it is going to be done in a manner that there is a likelyhood it will die very quickly.

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Lots of folks who won't or can't drag one out of their food plot routinely gut shoot them in hopes they run a ways off to die.
If I had a magic wand I'd give you every hog on our property, I think you'd change your tune in 6 months.
yes I do agree with Ron that type of video should'nt be shown..but in the deep south that mindset is pretty much mainstream unless your a recent transplant.

For the gentleman that posted about giving hogs away, great but it's hard to give out 10-15 hogs per week, homeless shelters won't take but so many, people that say bring em on tend to waffle when you call them at 10pm coming out of the woods with a couple of hogs, 'are they cleaned?", "I just can't, I've got to worktomorrow" are what I hear most.
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birddog1968 wrote:
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markj wrote:In texas you can hunt them from a helicopter using a full auto, there is a vid on youtube showint that. 3 round bursts, they leave em lay there dead and or wounded. Different strokes....

I say round them pigs up and ship em to afganistan, then I could go and open a bar b que place there :) or not...

Sounds like an excellent management technique for growing a healthy Coyote population! Hogs are a problem, but so are those few who tarnish the reputation and traditions of subsistence hunters and sportsman.
The helicopter guys aren't hunters, that seems to be the tough part to understand...... they are nuisance animal control weather paid for by ranchers/farmers or the state . Got nothing to do with hunting.... If hunters wish to take an animal I'm sure they are welcome to but to confuse hunting with invasive animal control because both may use a gun is a little close minded.

I too agree with Ron, putting that on video as some kind of advert was a dumb idea.
My original post was actually meant to be directed at the original video of the releasing of animals. But that said last I checked, a helicopter was $450-$500 an hour and another $80-100 for the pilot + fuel, with a four hour minimum is what I have paid to rent helicopters for setting air conditioners on roofs, ended up about $1,200 a unit, not sure what prices are in Texas. Don't know too many ranchers who would pay that kind of money for ineffective nuisance animal control when people will gladly pay them to hunt them. Like it or not every bodies vote count the same in this country and giving folks more fuel for their ignorant fire is not worth selling a few red dot scopes in my opinion. I agree they are a problem but there are better ways to deal with the problem that don't involve making hunters look like blood thirsty cowboys.
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Post by Ron R » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:15 pm

Cajun Casey wrote:Many commercial processors are hesitant to take them because of disease. Pseudorabies and brucellosis are both found in feral hogs. The meat is virtually unusable on large boars.
When we hunt them every year in Mo. we get maps of recent sightings and blood test viles from the Army Corp. of Engineers. I'm not real sure that large boars are unusable but....I ain't eating them. Too gamey for me.

I'm a hunter and have no problem killing anything from deer to hogs, to coons and routinely shoot training birds. I'm not at all against killing hogs, I just thought the video lacked class and the red dot sight company also lacked class for proudly showing it...At a huge NRA convention. I fully understand that the beef, pork and chicken I love to eat comes from a slaughter house but I don't care to watch them being destroyed.
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Post by OKIEGunner » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:23 pm

Feral hogs are not a problem to most people until they are on your own property. I have hunted them with helicopters, with dogs, atv’s and at night with optics and trap them every week. They are destroying the ecosystem spreading noxious weeds, diseases and tremendous destruction to riparian areas, stock ponds and take away valuable food sources for numerous different wildlife species. They facilitate population increases of predators such as coyotes. They are ruining the landscape, costing billions of dollars in crop damages. In Oklahoma, they crossed the red river 20 years ago. Today, the population continues to grow.

It has been well documented (by DNA) that hunters have trapped them, loaded them in trailers and stopped along side a lone country road just to release them in order to increase hunting rights and the sport opportunity. People who think that feral hogs are wild game and can be managed or controlled do not have a clue. That’s how we got into this situation. Do I attempt to give away as much meat as possible, YES. But if everyone educated themselves on the potential diseases they carry you would think twice on eating or at least how you cook your hog.

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Cajun Casey wrote:Many commercial processors are hesitant to take them because of disease. Pseudorabies and brucellosis are both found in feral hogs. The meat is virtually unusable on large boars.
When we hunt them every year in Mo. we get maps of recent sightings and blood test viles from the Army Corp. of Engineers. I'm not real sure that large boars are unusable but....I ain't eating them. Too gamey for me.

I'm a hunter and have no problem killing anything from deer to hogs, to coons and routinely shoot training birds. I'm not at all against killing hogs, I just thought the video lacked class and the red dot sight company also lacked class for proudly showing it...At a huge NRA convention. I fully understand that the beef, pork and chicken I love to eat comes from a slaughter house but I don't care to watch them being destroyed.
I guess the best reconciliation is that the manufacturer was going for an attention grab and got it. It was a product pitch, after all. Personally, I have an issue with the "red mist" method of prairie dog control and question if it is necessary sometimes, but I object more to poison in that instance. I still don't consider nuisance wildlife or feral management hunting, though.
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Post by Ron R » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:28 pm

I just feel it's a bad example for young hunters and a poor example of sportsmanship.
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Susie wrote:Was this the video? If so it was filmed in Hungary.

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No, that's not the video. That one was more sporting. This video was litterally a trap shoot.
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Post by birddogger » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:07 pm

beef, pork and chicken I love to eat comes from a slaughter house but I don't care to watch them being destroyed.
As for myself, it doesn't bother me one bit to watch pork, chicken, beef or any other animal being processed for food and have participated in it many times. But I do want it to be quick and as humane as possible. It also does not bother me to exterminate nuisance animals, and again, I want it to be quick and humane. These things are a fact of life [so to speak] but I see no reason to make videos of either one,whether it be to promote a product or anything else.

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Very well said Charlie.
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Ron R wrote:
Cajun Casey wrote:Many commercial processors are hesitant to take them because of disease. Pseudorabies and brucellosis are both found in feral hogs. The meat is virtually unusable on large boars.
When we hunt them every year in Mo. we get maps of recent sightings and blood test viles from the Army Corp. of Engineers. I'm not real sure that large boars are unusable but....I ain't eating them. Too gamey for me.

I'm a hunter and have no problem killing anything from deer to hogs, to coons and routinely shoot training birds. I'm not at all against killing hogs, I just thought the video lacked class and the red dot sight company also lacked class for proudly showing it...At a huge NRA convention. I fully understand that the beef, pork and chicken I love to eat comes from a slaughter house but I don't care to watch them being destroyed.
I agree with you on the video and the convention. I mostly trap hogs and I shoot any on sight, don't use dogs to catch them as I like dogs to much to stitch em up or bury them just for a hog.

We tried some drug laced pecans from UF one time. The drug was supposed to sterlize the boars but all we really accomplished was to emasculate a bunch of squirrels... :roll:
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Asc, bet that cut down on the numberof piglets with little bushy tails.

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Post by phoneman45 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:57 pm

Ron,

Reminds me of a waterfowl hunting show I saw a few years back. The group of hunters were in a elaborate blind in the deep south hunting mallards. AS the birds came into the decoys 8 guns would open up often on only one bird at a time (many times they were hens). It was appalling. They would hoot and howl as the guns went off claiming that they hit the bird first. AS they did not have a dog a few birds were not recovered. In this day of anit hunter campaigns across the country you would think the show's producers would know better. That also brinds to mind an archery segment I saw as well. I wont mention the shows " star " as he is very well known but he hunts with a longbow. He shot a trophy elk, hitting it high in the rear quarter and did not pursue the animal, He looked to the cameras and said in effect ' those are the breaks, lets see if we can find another ". Disgusting.

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Post by markj » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:54 pm

And it doesn't make anyone a better person when they try to act real macho about how they do it
Well I wasnt trying t obe "macho" or whatever you suggested. Relatives in tx kill many of them hogs, leave em out till yotes come on em and shoot them too. Nothing macho about it, it is vermin eradication. Like swatting a fly. Dont care about movies since I saw them "faces of death" movies. Anyone can and will film anything they find interesting. Not my cup of tea but again I wont go tromping on anothers way of doing things just cause I dont do it that way. Dont sit well with me at all. But you go ahead and get them to stop cause you dont do it this way. or their way I should say.
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Post by DonF » Sun May 06, 2012 1:37 pm

I keep hearing all over the net how the states want them gone and the rancher's want them gone. But if you hunt them in Cal on private land it's gonna cost you to get rid of a pig for them. I understand in Texas is free to hunt them but somehow you pick up a pretty good bill for food and lodging, at least that is what I read. In Cal and Texas, you need a hunting license to hunt them? In Oregon you need a hunting license unless you hunt your own private property.

This is my 23rd year here and for all the hog's supposed to be around, I have never seen one. Last year I did finally find damage they did along a creek bed. In about a five mile streach of creek bed, there was probably less than an acre torn up. We have a guy here in town that was guiding hunter's for them. Illegal! He was also carrying a gun, illegal, he's a felon. Then it seem's that along the way a cop bought a hunt from him. Ten State Police showed up and took him to jail. Guiding without a license, selling hog hunts and felon in posession. He spent less than a day in jail! I guess the state was at least backing up it's you can't sell'em program. Funny thing about it is he works for a local rancher and was doing it on his property with the rancher knowing he was doing it. That rancher seem's to have to much money to mess with!

I have eaten them, they are great! I think the killing and leaving them lay is a waste of very good food. I've spent a lot of time traveling thru Cal and Texas in my life. The only hog I've ever seen was on the Tajone Ranch in So. Cal.
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Post by markj » Mon May 07, 2012 8:59 am

I too agree with Ron, putting that on video as some kind of advert was a dumb idea.
MAn I wish I had a dime for every idiot video that is out there. I see guys riding motorcyckles for instance, helmut cam on and running. I Phones abound and every one is used to make a video....

So A guy released some hogs and shot em. Does this mean everyone does it? or will it entice others to do it? Doubt it. Lets be real for a minute. I dont do it like that but will kill a varmint outright.

I was thinking of the early natives lived here, would push a thousand or so buffaloe over a cliff........ that must have been messy right there no videos tho...

Would I stand and stare at a vid shows hogs released and shot? no. I would take that oppourtunity to explain ethics to my son......

I used to have a few vids of pit bulls released on wild hogs, the chase, tha catch and the kill. Used to hunt yotes with retired race dogs, they would chase, catch and the killer dog let go to finish it off, then hang dead yote on the trailor go get another. Big deal.

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