Gun Control

[ezzy333]

http://news.yahoo.com/three-midterm-vot ... 38289.html

Just some light reading for those who are interested in things we need to be concerned about.

Ezzy

[greg jacobs]

In WA it was financed by liberal billionaires. The liberal west side voted it in and I bet most didn't know all that was hidden in the initiative. It was promoted as closing the background check loopholes but contained far more. Much was undefined. Which means it could be far worse than we even know. It was a sad day for my kind of folks.

[gamekeeper]

Background checks are needed

[Vonzeppelinkennels]

Sure because criminals do everything LEGAL!! :roll:

[Fran Seagren]

We live in Washington. The way the initiatives were written would, at a glance, make people believe they were doing the responsible thing. I believe that many people don't read more than what's right out front. And then, of course, Washington is a liberal state.

[greg jacobs]

Fran is dead on. Many gun owners voted for it. They did exactly what gamekeeper did. They read the bold print and made a decision and voted without having knowledge of the content. My suggestion is you all read that initiative in full. It's 16 or 18 pages long. There are a couple billionaires and several anti gun groups that may spend millions in your state. There are things in that initiative that will turn the law abiding citizen into a criminal. Have you ever loaned a gun to anyone, sold a gun without a background check or "safety check" whatever that is, handed your gun to a friend to let them shoot it. Your a Criminal. Be informed they could come to your state next.

[mnaj_springer]

Where is the initiative so it can be read?

Also, I'm not sure why Mike Vanderboegh was interviewed by Yahoo for this, but the GOP and NRA may want to think twice about getting into bed with him.

[greg jacobs]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... FYwKBR_g5w

I Google it and found it as a pdf file.
WA initiative 594
A big problem is all sales and "transfers" have to have background checks.
The definition of transfer includes but is not limited to "gifts and loans."
Background checks have to be done by dealers.
Exemptions are for antique guns and gifts to immediate family, hunting with a immediate family member that is a minor. It would be best to read the exemptions. I'm going by memory and it's been several days.

[Pepper]

Washington state on the wet side used to be a great place to live. I know, I live there for 25 years, but when Booth Gardner became governor, that is when the tides turn. Now it is a place to visit and that is it. You could not pay me to live there unless it was on the east side of the mountains. Just saying.
Edit to post: Even then you are at the West side rules.

[greg jacobs]

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I live on the dry side. This is 20 minutes from home

[Pepper]

Good deal. I know at one time that the east siders we trying to divide Washington state into two sides. Too bad that didn't happen. I thought is was a good game plan, but guess who trump it.

[greg jacobs]

They should make 2 states from Oregon and Washington but split them at the cascades not the Columbia river. That would increase my in state hunting by a fair amount.

[Pepper]

Yep..I believe from Thorp and beyond east.

[gamekeeper]

Divide and conquer,East side- west side,liberal -conservative accomplishes nothing.We are all in this together ,the sooner the labels are dropped and positive attitudes in place progress will be made for all.

[P&PGunsmith]

Divide and conquer,East side- west side,liberal -conservative accomplishes nothing.We are all in this together ,the sooner the labels are dropped and positive attitudes in place progress will be made for all.

that's a great thought right along with rainbows and pots of gold. that division is actually what keeps us very strong as well. Think about it if we were all in this together with no checks and balances, it would all be one as you say. Well what if you don't believe in the way the one is handled, then it would go right back to the division again. It is too bad that the two sides have to be so far apart, that to me is the problem.

[P&PGunsmith]

Sure because criminals do everything LEGAL!! :roll:

We have had background checks in California for quite awhile. it has completely stopped criminals from having guns.

[mnaj_springer]

Sure because criminals do everything LEGAL!! :roll:

We have had background checks in California for quite awhile. it has completely stopped criminals from having guns.

I understand the sentiment, but that's like saying we might as well make heroin or meth legal. Its a poor argument.

[P&PGunsmith]

Sure because criminals do everything LEGAL!! :roll:

We have had background checks in California for quite awhile. it has completely stopped criminals from having guns.

I understand the sentiment, but that's like saying we might as well make heroin or meth legal. Its a poor argument.

don't worry it will be next, the left cant say no. and my statement was not an argument, it is fact..

[deke]

I live on the west side of WA, not in the big cities though. Most of us voted against 594, but we had a school shooting a week or so before voting started which really turned the tides I think. The funny thing about this bill is that it makes me a felon for holding a buddies gun while he crosses a fence, one of the things they drill into you during hunters safety classes as a kid. The initiative does nothing to help gun control, the only thing it does is make it so that the government knows who has what guns, presuming that people actually follow the protocol.

[birddogger]

Divide and conquer,East side- west side,liberal -conservative accomplishes nothing.We are all in this together ,the sooner the labels are dropped

If it looks like a duck.......!

Charlie

[greg jacobs]

Shouldn't have blamed the west side like I did. King county had a pretty high percentage that voted for it. However a lot of people in every county voted for it. I was a little upset about it all. The gun control people want us to compromise. Time after time. Which leaves us with nothing in the end. Here is a good read on what happened in Washington state. And who funded it. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/1 ... ton-state/

[Pepper]

Shouldn't have blamed the west side like I did. King county had a pretty high percentage that voted for it. However a lot of people in every county voted for it. I was a little upset about it all. The gun control people want us to compromise. Time after time. Which leaves us with nothing in the end. Here is a good read on what happened in Washington state. And who funded it. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/1 ... ton-state/

I don't think you should apologize for what you believe in. As I said, the state is a nice place to visit and that's it. The only good thing I am getting from that state is a Boeing pension. Restless in Seattle.

[greg jacobs]

Here is a paragraph from the above sight that I posted. You should all click and read. There is a lot on how it was done.

The victory in Washington State has emboldened them. They see that they can buy an election with enough money and the support of the old media.  They expect to export this technique to other states. An effort to get on the ballot for 2016 is well on the way in Nevada.  Oregon, Maine, and Arizona are also facing planned initiatives.

[oldbeek]

The last national background check that failed to pass congress in the bold print sounded reasonable and lots of folks couldn't understand why those nasty republicans squashed it. Try this for a few items contained in the BACKGROUND check bill. If my family comes out and I want to shoot some trap. We want to use my next door neighbors property and trap machine. my neighbors property is not a registered range. I let my family members borrow my firearms. I am an INSTANT CRIMINAL.
I have my weapons locked in a safe which only I have the combination. I leave home for over 11 days and leave my home in the care of a house sitter. I must transfer the ownership of all the weapons to my house sitter or I will also be an INSTANT CRIMINAL.
Wonder why it was voted down now?????

[setterpoint]

lets outlaw cars and trucks that way no won gets hurt by drunk drivers. and while were ate it lets take away all the spoons and forks so no one will be over weight