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Post by ezzy333 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:49 am

mnaj_springer wrote:Ezzy, how has it been proven over and over? What's your source? Ah never mind, you're not big on facts, just your personal truths. Like I said, many of the people on assistance are on Medicaid. Most of them are either really old or children. Making sure kids get medical care so they can remain productive members of society is not keeping them poor. In fact I think most long-term assistance goes to folks with disabilities. But you can keep looking down at people and donating to charities that barely make a dent. I know the impact they have, and however noble it is, it has a minimal and local impact.

And your jab at tattoos is ridiculous. The majority of people under 30 have at least one tattoo. It's extremely common.
It sure is regardless whether they can afford it or not. My source is family that work in the ER's plus reading. So tell us how we have rid the world as well as our country of poverty since L.B. Johnson started the war on poverty. Until we reinstall the concept of personal responsibility we will continue down this path of socialism so we all can feel good while people continue look for handouts.

Gee sorry I don't measure up in the facts department.
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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mnaj_springer wrote: Just look at the statistics from programs that forced drug testing to be on welfare. Everyone complained that they didn't want to feed people who were using, and we found out we weren't.
You claim that we aren't subsidizing people who are using, which just isn't true. Starting to wonder how often you slap yourself on the head. Might want to back off on that.

Perhaps if the gal in the supermarket had saved her thousands of dollars rather than shrewdly investing them in tattoos and piercings, she'd be in a better financial position today, and wouldn't require taxpayers to feed her. It's worth noting that her cell phone was two generations newer than my own. I suppose she procured that prior to falling on hard times as well? If we're paying for her food, it's also likely that we're subsidizing her health care, housing, and the upcoming college tuition for her kids. Meanwhile, my kids are working two jobs all summer, and doing without a lot of things (tattoos being one) in order to avoid going deeply in debt while earning their college degrees, in order that they can graduate and and then work hard to help pay for the next generation of folks who have been trained by the govt to take the easy way out. If you can't see that the current programs very often discourage initiative, and encourage the opposite, you're not looking very hard. If students are penalized for working and saving money, it obviously encourages them not to work or save money. We're rewarding the wrong things. I'm not against helping those legitimately unable to help themselves, it's just that too many people are taking advantage of the government's (read taxpayers' ) generosity when they could be providing for themselves. What we're doing now eventually enslaves people, makes them completely dependent on the government, which in turn creates more Democrats. Hmm......

Which of your various studies proved food stamp recipients consume junk food because it was cheaper? A gallon of milk is cheaper than a gallon of Mt. Dew. A packet of cheese is the same price as Cheetos. Potatoes are far cheaper by the pound than potato chips. Shouldn't food stamp programs encourage the consumption of healthy food, or is the right to free junk food written into the constitution somewhere? I've no doubt you can quote a study somewhere that suggests evil Republicans are forcing poor people to drink soda and eat pork rinds. Billions have been thrown at poverty over the past forty years, yet we have more of it now than we did when the spending started. Might here be a better way?

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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mnaj_springer wrote: Just look at the statistics from programs that forced drug testing to be on welfare. Everyone complained that they didn't want to feed people who were using, and we found out we weren't.
You claim that we aren't subsidizing people who are using, which just isn't true. Starting to wonder how often you slap yourself on the head. Might want to back off on that.

Perhaps if the gal in the supermarket had saved her thousands of dollars rather than shrewdly investing them in tattoos and piercings, she'd be in a better financial position today, and wouldn't require taxpayers to feed her. It's worth noting that her cell phone was two generations newer than my own. I suppose she procured that prior to falling on hard times as well? If we're paying for her food, it's also likely that we're subsidizing her health care, housing, and the upcoming college tuition for her kids. Meanwhile, my kids are working two jobs all summer, and doing without a lot of things (tattoos being one) in order to avoid going deeply in debt while earning their college degrees, in order that they can graduate and and then work hard to help pay for the next generation of folks who have been trained by the govt to take the easy way out. If you can't see that the current programs very often discourage initiative, and encourage the opposite, you're not looking very hard. If students are penalized for working and saving money, it obviously encourages them not to work or save money. We're rewarding the wrong things. I'm not against helping those legitimately unable to help themselves, it's just that too many people are taking advantage of the government's (read taxpayers' ) generosity when they could be providing for themselves. What we're doing now eventually enslaves people, makes them completely dependent on the government, which in turn creates more Democrats. Hmm......

Which of your various studies proved food stamp recipients consume junk food because it was cheaper? A gallon of milk is cheaper than a gallon of Mt. Dew. A packet of cheese is the same price as Cheetos. Potatoes are far cheaper by the pound than potato chips. Shouldn't food stamp programs encourage the consumption of healthy food, or is the right to free junk food written into the constitution somewhere? I've no doubt you can quote a study somewhere that suggests evil Republicans are forcing poor people to drink soda and eat pork rinds. Billions have been thrown at poverty over the past forty years, yet we have more of it now than we did when the spending started. Might here be a better way?
You're incorrigible. You can continue whatever you're doing and just keep your focus on how unfair life is for you and yours. I won't lose faith that there are enough good people out there who are educated and empathetic and will make sure we take care of the tired, the poor, the huddled mass, yearning to breathe free.
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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mnaj_springer wrote:
ckirsch wrote:
mnaj_springer wrote: Just look at the statistics from programs that forced drug testing to be on welfare. Everyone complained that they didn't want to feed people who were using, and we found out we weren't.
You claim that we aren't subsidizing people who are using, which just isn't true. Starting to wonder how often you slap yourself on the head. Might want to back off on that.

Perhaps if the gal in the supermarket had saved her thousands of dollars rather than shrewdly investing them in tattoos and piercings, she'd be in a better financial position today, and wouldn't require taxpayers to feed her. It's worth noting that her cell phone was two generations newer than my own. I suppose she procured that prior to falling on hard times as well? If we're paying for her food, it's also likely that we're subsidizing her health care, housing, and the upcoming college tuition for her kids. Meanwhile, my kids are working two jobs all summer, and doing without a lot of things (tattoos being one) in order to avoid going deeply in debt while earning their college degrees, in order that they can graduate and and then work hard to help pay for the next generation of folks who have been trained by the govt to take the easy way out. If you can't see that the current programs very often discourage initiative, and encourage the opposite, you're not looking very hard. If students are penalized for working and saving money, it obviously encourages them not to work or save money. We're rewarding the wrong things. I'm not against helping those legitimately unable to help themselves, it's just that too many people are taking advantage of the government's (read taxpayers' ) generosity when they could be providing for themselves. What we're doing now eventually enslaves people, makes them completely dependent on the government, which in turn creates more Democrats. Hmm......

Which of your various studies proved food stamp recipients consume junk food because it was cheaper? A gallon of milk is cheaper than a gallon of Mt. Dew. A packet of cheese is the same price as Cheetos. Potatoes are far cheaper by the pound than potato chips. Shouldn't food stamp programs encourage the consumption of healthy food, or is the right to free junk food written into the constitution somewhere? I've no doubt you can quote a study somewhere that suggests evil Republicans are forcing poor people to drink soda and eat pork rinds. Billions have been thrown at poverty over the past forty years, yet we have more of it now than we did when the spending started. Might here be a better way?
You're incorrigible. You can continue whatever you're doing and just keep your focus on how unfair life is for you and yours. I won't lose faith that there are enough good people out there who are educated and empathetic and will make sure we take care of the tired, the poor, the huddled mass, yearning to breathe free.
Where you and I plus ckirsch are parting ways is summed up in your last sentence. There is a big difference in yearning and making an effort.
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You're incorrigible. You can continue whatever you're doing and just keep your focus on how unfair life is for you and yours
I'm not seeing that attitude in 333's comments; more factual and easily observable wherever you go. Nor will this get better given those who will likely end up running/ruining this country for the foreseeable future. There are small businesses popping up around here paying $11-13/hr starting and finding it difficult to fill these no-skill positions. Meanwhile the tattooed, text-all-day "I'm a victim" line up for all the free stuff their enablers steal from YOUR pocket to keep the racket going. My observation, but when you see the "government owes me everything" taxing the system in every conceivable way, it gets a little frustrating and sickening. I'll give you a ferinstance: the local fire and EMT services respond to calls for service that end up being a taxi ride to the hopsital area or as a free night lodging at the hospital-nothing wrong physically-and this is done repeatedly. Who is the hospital and ambulance service going after to foot the bill for this nonsense? Take a guess

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I would rather be incorrigible than delusional. :roll:

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Post by oregon woodsmoke » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:15 pm

............ I won't lose faith that there are enough good people out there who are educated and empathetic and will make sure we take care of the tired, the poor, the huddled mass, yearning to breathe free.
If there were enough "good people out there who are educated and empathetic who are willing to take care of the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free", then taking care of the poor would be voluntary. It's not. Instead the "good people who are educated and empathetic" are dictating that someone else must pay for it, not themselves. The people who are actually doing the paying for it are getting very tired of paying for it.

It's one thing to help out people truly in need. It's another thing to take away money from your own family to support perfectly healthy people who have discovered that they can skate through life without working. If the handout giving government would sift out the fraud, there would be a lot less complaining. But the government just says it would cost too much to remove fraud, so we should just continue to pay for it, welfare cheats and all. I suspect that the government does not sift out the cheats becasue that welfare money is going to buy votes. Working voters are getting tired of it.

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Post by ckirsch » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:48 pm

mnaj_springer wrote:]You're incorrigible. You can continue whatever you're doing and just keep your focus on how unfair life is for you and yours. I won't lose faith that there are enough good people out there who are educated and empathetic and will make sure we take care of the tired, the poor, the huddled mass, yearning to breathe free.
Wow, that gave me goose bumps! Not sure about the "huddled mass" thing, but the tired and poor yearning to breathe free part was truly inspiring. Studies have shown that the hard-working and responsible are tired as well, and also yearn to breathe free.

You've got a world-class superiority complex. Get some help.

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ckirsch wrote:
mnaj_springer wrote:]You're incorrigible. You can continue whatever you're doing and just keep your focus on how unfair life is for you and yours. I won't lose faith that there are enough good people out there who are educated and empathetic and will make sure we take care of the tired, the poor, the huddled mass, yearning to breathe free.
Wow, that gave me goose bumps! Not sure about the "huddled mass" thing, but the tired and poor yearning to breathe free part was truly inspiring. Studies have shown that the hard-working and responsible are tired as well, and also yearn to breathe free.

You've got a world-class superiority complex. Get some help.
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Post by birddogger » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:20 pm

Ok, I am going to jump back in this thing, even though I said I was done with it If Springer really believes what he is spouting, he either has his head in the sand or has been brain washed by the left. Sorry, but after working in an ER for over 20 yrs. can make you cynical. I don't really care about statistics that some bias group comes up with, but I do care about what I have seen and experienced over the years. I would say that 80 to 90 percent of people who singed in to our ER were on some kind of government assistance and did not have a job, nor did they have any intentions of getting a job. And yes, most of them have multiple tattoos and sign in with some kind of bogus pain, wanting narcotic pain medication or maybe something simpler such as a hang nail. And with the people I am talking about, it is not a temporary thing. It is generation after generation who have become dependent on the government [actually those of us who take responsibility and play by the rules, so to speak]. It is what it is and one can try to spin it anyway they want, but I, among many others am well aware of the the facts. If we can't fix these issues, I am afraid all of us are going to depend on and be at the mercy of the government, if Hillary and the rest of the left are successful and that is where identifying the enemy comes in play.

Please wake up folks,
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birddogger wrote:Ok, I am going to jump back in this thing, even though I said I was done with it If Springer really believes what he is spouting, he either has his head in the sand or has been brain washed by the left. Sorry, but after working in an ER for over 20 yrs. can make you cynical. I don't really care about statistics that some bias group comes up with, but I do care about what I have seen and experienced over the years. I would say that 80 to 90 percent of people who singed in to our ER were on some kind of government assistance and did not have a job, nor did they have any intentions of getting a job. And yes, most of them have multiple tattoos and sign in with some kind of bogus pain, wanting narcotic pain medication or maybe something simpler such as a hang nail. And with the people I am talking about, it is not a temporary thing. It is generation after generation who have become dependent on the government [actually those of us who take responsibility and play by the rules, so to speak]. It is what it is and one can try to spin it anyway they want, but I, among many others am well aware of the the facts. If we can't fix these issues, I am afraid all of us are going to depend on and be at the mercy of the government, if Hillary and the rest of the left are successful and that is where identifying the enemy comes in play.

Please wake up folks,
Charlie
You tracked these statistics? And you know they have no intention of getting a job from 1 interaction?

I bet you think the ER is much busier on a full moon too!
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birddogger wrote:Ok, I am going to jump back in this thing, even though I said I was done with it If Springer really believes what he is spouting, he either has his head in the sand or has been brain washed by the left. Sorry, but after working in an ER for over 20 yrs. can make you cynical. I don't really care about statistics that some bias group comes up with, but I do care about what I have seen and experienced over the years. I would say that 80 to 90 percent of people who singed in to our ER were on some kind of government assistance and did not have a job, nor did they have any intentions of getting a job. And yes, most of them have multiple tattoos and sign in with some kind of bogus pain, wanting narcotic pain medication or maybe something simpler such as a hang nail. And with the people I am talking about, it is not a temporary thing. It is generation after generation who have become dependent on the government [actually those of us who take responsibility and play by the rules, so to speak]. It is what it is and one can try to spin it anyway they want, but I, among many others am well aware of the the facts. If we can't fix these issues, I am afraid all of us are going to depend on and be at the mercy of the government, if Hillary and the rest of the left are successful and that is where identifying the enemy comes in play.

Please wake up folks,
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Charlie, those are about what we see here also but my good friend that left the ER here and is now in Phoenix ER says it is worse there. Only a small percent can speak English and less can write but almost all are on some assistance program.
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by ckirsch » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:11 pm

NEhomer wrote:1) I didn't say anything about illegal immigration. 2) I don't give a "bleep" what bathroom you use, but you're angered if I use the wrong one. 3) You're anti-abortion.....again, a right you wish to take from others. 4) Please tell me what Christians are being blocked from worship. Christians are supporting oppressive laws under the guise of "religious freedom" which is profoundly academically dishonest. 5) I have not justified disruptive behavior. In fact, I have admonished those people twice but you don't read what I type so it didn't register. 6) Your side doesn't display poor behavior because nobody's outlawing your behaviors. I won't bother to explain it again but I will call BS on you confusing the notions of tolerance and protest.

Great posts springer. I'm a veteran high school teacher and my first openly trans student graduated this year. I will never forget him or his courage.
1) Any stance against illegal immigration is immediately pounced upon as racism by those of your political ilk. 2) I've little interest in your bathroom habits so long as you're not sharing a facility with my eleven-year-old daughter. I do find it disturbing that you insist on having the right to do so. 3) Regarding rights being taken from others, abortion robs a very basic right from each and every one of it's victims. Young lives matter. 4) The attempt to force Christian hospitals and businesses to provide and subsidize abortions is a glaring example of the violation of religious rights. Promoting your religious bigotry under the guise of "anti-discrimination" is profoundly academically dishonest. 5) You've repeatedly justified disruptive behavior by claiming those guilty of it have legitimate reasons for their actions. 6) See #4.

I trust that your students experience complete objectivity on political and social issues, and those holding perspectives at odds with your own are treated with "tolerance".

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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NEhomer wrote:1) I didn't say anything about illegal immigration. 2) I don't give a "bleep" what bathroom you use, but you're angered if I use the wrong one. 3) You're anti-abortion.....again, a right you wish to take from others. 4) Please tell me what Christians are being blocked from worship. Christians are supporting oppressive laws under the guise of "religious freedom" which is profoundly academically dishonest. 5) I have not justified disruptive behavior. In fact, I have admonished those people twice but you don't read what I type so it didn't register. 6) Your side doesn't display poor behavior because nobody's outlawing your behaviors. I won't bother to explain it again but I will call BS on you confusing the notions of tolerance and protest.

Great posts springer. I'm a veteran high school teacher and my first openly trans student graduated this year. I will never forget him or his courage.
1) Any stance against illegal immigration is immediately pounced upon as racism by those of your political ilk. 2) I've little interest in your bathroom habits so long as you're not sharing a facility with my eleven-year-old daughter. I do find it disturbing that you insist on having the right to do so. 3) Regarding rights being taken from others, abortion robs a very basic right from each and every one of it's victims. Young lives matter. 4) The attempt to force Christian hospitals and businesses to provide and subsidize abortions is a glaring example of the violation of religious rights. Promoting your religious bigotry under the guise of "anti-discrimination" is profoundly academically dishonest. 5) You've repeatedly justified disruptive behavior by claiming those guilty of it have legitimate reasons for their actions. 6) See #4.

I trust that your students experience complete objectivity on political and social issues, and those holding perspectives at odds with your own are treated with "tolerance".
1) I'll ignore the fact that you have to group people (the "political ilk" comment) to comprehend views different than yours. It's not the stances, necessarily, that are deemed races... It's usually the tactics involved, such as racial profiling.

2) It's not men wanting to share a restroom with your daughter. It's transgender women, or women as they should be called, who want to use the restroom that matches their gender. Actually it's also transgender men who want to use the men's room.

3) I've previously posted about how the "right to life" is a belief that both sides have but they've subjective defined it differently (the abortion and death penalty paradigm).

4) Those companies are businesses. They have to follow the law, including health care laws.

5 & 6) As a white man you will never know what it's like to be systematically discrimated against, which means you will never know what it's like to protest to save your life.
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Post by birddogger » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:28 pm

mnaj_springer wrote:
birddogger wrote:Ok, I am going to jump back in this thing, even though I said I was done with it If Springer really believes what he is spouting, he either has his head in the sand or has been brain washed by the left. Sorry, but after working in an ER for over 20 yrs. can make you cynical. I don't really care about statistics that some bias group comes up with, but I do care about what I have seen and experienced over the years. I would say that 80 to 90 percent of people who singed in to our ER were on some kind of government assistance and did not have a job, nor did they have any intentions of getting a job. And yes, most of them have multiple tattoos and sign in with some kind of bogus pain, wanting narcotic pain medication or maybe something simpler such as a hang nail. And with the people I am talking about, it is not a temporary thing. It is generation after generation who have become dependent on the government [actually those of us who take responsibility and play by the rules, so to speak]. It is what it is and one can try to spin it anyway they want, but I, among many others am well aware of the the facts. If we can't fix these issues, I am afraid all of us are going to depend on and be at the mercy of the government, if Hillary and the rest of the left are successful and that is where identifying the enemy comes in play.

Please wake up folks,
Charlie
You tracked these statistics? And you know they have no intention of getting a job from 1 interaction? There are more nights than not that a couple of law officers end up at the ER which is costly also.


I bet you think the ER is much busier on a full moon too!
Believe me, it is from more than one interaction and over a 21 yr. span. Also, many of them call an ambulance [used as a taxi service] and then think they are entitled to transportation home or get irate because they don't get the narcotics they want. Be as sarcastic as you like but it is not superstition or a figment of my imagination. This abuse is real and the tax payers are footing the bill. And yes, I do know they have no intentions of ever getting a job!!

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by ezzy333 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:55 pm

birddogger wrote:
mnaj_springer wrote:
birddogger wrote:Ok, I am going to jump back in this thing, even though I said I was done with it If Springer really believes what he is spouting, he either has his head in the sand or has been brain washed by the left. Sorry, but after working in an ER for over 20 yrs. can make you cynical. I don't really care about statistics that some bias group comes up with, but I do care about what I have seen and experienced over the years. I would say that 80 to 90 percent of people who singed in to our ER were on some kind of government assistance and did not have a job, nor did they have any intentions of getting a job. And yes, most of them have multiple tattoos and sign in with some kind of bogus pain, wanting narcotic pain medication or maybe something simpler such as a hang nail. And with the people I am talking about, it is not a temporary thing. It is generation after generation who have become dependent on the government [actually those of us who take responsibility and play by the rules, so to speak]. It is what it is and one can try to spin it anyway they want, but I, among many others am well aware of the the facts. If we can't fix these issues, I am afraid all of us are going to depend on and be at the mercy of the government, if Hillary and the rest of the left are successful and that is where identifying the enemy comes in play.

Please wake up folks,
Charlie
You tracked these statistics? And you know they have no intention of getting a job from 1 interaction? There are more nights than not that a couple of law officers end up at the ER which is costly also.


I bet you think the ER is much busier on a full moon too!
Believe me, it is from more than one interaction and over a 21 yr. span. Also, many of them call an ambulance [used as a taxi service] and then think they are entitled to transportation home or get irate because they don't get the narcotics they want. Be as sarcastic as you like but it is not superstition or a figment of my imagination. This abuse is real and the tax payers are footing the bill. And yes, I do know they have no intentions of ever getting a job!!

Charlie
There is many evenings and nights that we end up with a couple of law officers being called and having to make a call or just be on standby which is pretty costly too/
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Post by Timewise65 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:01 pm

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DougB wrote:Decision making theory has a model they use. They use approach and avoidance as goals. Our choice in the coming election, as it stands, is avoid-avoid. There is no winning choice. Both candidates are disliked and distrusted by a majority of the electorate. Makes you wonder how they got in the lead. Listening to NPR talkers yesterday, the speaker said when presented with a choice between two evils, don't choose either. We have 310 million people. There must be somebody out there capable of doing the job but dumb enough to take it.
This has to be about the worst advice a person could give but it is the way so many that can't stand criticism takes. Run and hide never solved anything.
Problem is you are listening to NPR! A Liberal Radical Radio Network! Anyone that is not already not an IDEALOG knows not to take to heart anything from NPR, without deep independent research and questioning the fundamental assumptions they present. I did take both Logic and Advanced Statistics in Graduate School, and "Decision Theories" have many approaches and are never limited to such simplicity as "Avoid-Avoid"! To much to cover here, but do you own research....our consider not talking about what you heard!

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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DougB wrote:Decision making theory has a model they use. They use approach and avoidance as goals. Our choice in the coming election, as it stands, is avoid-avoid. There is no winning choice. Both candidates are disliked and distrusted by a majority of the electorate. Makes you wonder how they got in the lead. Listening to NPR talkers yesterday, the speaker said when presented with a choice between two evils, don't choose either. We have 310 million people. There must be somebody out there capable of doing the job but dumb enough to take it.
This has to be about the worst advice a person could give but it is the way so many that can't stand criticism takes. Run and hide never solved anything.
Problem is you are listening to NPR! A Liberal Radical Radio Network! Anyone that is not already not an IDEALOG knows not to take to heart anything from NPR, without deep independent research and questioning the fundamental assumptions they present. I did take both Logic and Advanced Statistics in Graduate School, and "Decision Theories" have many approaches and are never limited to such simplicity as "Avoid-Avoid"! To much to cover here, but do you own research....our consider not talking about what you heard!
So what news source would you suggest? And if you suggest anything remotely connected to Fox your answer will be discredited immediately but anyone with an inkling of common sense.

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Seems strange to me that Fox is the only source that presents both sides of an issue and has a largesr audience that the others combined an yet a lot of liberals will tell you that they have no credibility. Maybe it is those listeners that lack creditability. HUMMMMMMMM?
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ezzy333 wrote:Seems strange to me that Fox is the only source that presents both sides of an issue and has a largesr audience that the others combined an yet a lot of liberals will tell you that they have no credibility. Maybe it is those listeners that lack creditability. HUMMMMMMMM?
Fox presents both sides like a two-headed coin has two sides.
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ezzy333 wrote:Seems strange to me that Fox is the only source that presents both sides of an issue and has a largesr audience that the others combined an yet a lot of liberals will tell you that they have no credibility. Maybe it is those listeners that lack creditability. HUMMMMMMMM?
Got my laugh in right there, Faux News entertainment TV at its best. :roll:

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ezzy333 wrote:Seems strange to me that Fox is the only source that presents both sides of an issue and has ayou largesr audience that the others combined an yet a lot of liberals will tell you that they have no credibility. Maybe it is those listeners that lack creditability. HUMMMMMMMM?
I think that is a very good point Al. Also, Springer says I don't know what his beliefs are and he has also said he is not a liberal. However, I think he has made it clear what his beliefs are and they are all clearly on the side of the left/liberal. IMO, he is clearly out of touch with reality, which most liberals are. What I don't understand is, if one is a liberal and that is the agenda one truly believes in, why are they so offended to be identified as such and even deny it. I am a conservative, and am proud of it. Be proud of what you believe in. I believe that is one of the big differences between conservatives and liberals. One side stands for family values, taking responsibility for your decisions/actions and realizing that you are responsible for your own livelihood. While the other side considers all the dead beats, moochers or whatever you want to call them, as victims and want to take money from the people who work for it and give it to the people who are unwilling to make it on their own. I believe it all started with Lyndon Johnson's "war on poverty", which in reality has kept people in poverty and increased it over the years, causing people to depend on the government for their living, with no incentive to work for it. Having said all that, I know there are victims and people who need help and I believe we should do whatever we can to help those people until they can get back on their feet, but not for the rest of their lives [ I am talking about able body persons] and their children's and grand children's, etc. lives. Let's take care of people in need, but not make them dependent for the rest of their lives unless they can't care for themselves. Sorry about the rambling, but I am just so fed up with these liberals and don't even want to admit who and what they are.

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As a centrist, I'm shaking my head at nearly every post in this thread.

....carry on. :D

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The problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other peoples money .

NPR takes money from the public at the point of a gun to keep themselves in business giving the leftist government propaganda. NPR would be off the air in a couple months bankrupt if it weren't for that simple fact. NPR would fail just like Air America failed because the left view is one of emotion not rationality and cannot support itself .

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Hey, to the conservatives in here I gotta ask you a question.

If this freeloading lifestyle is so cushy, why don't you quit your job, give away your home, give away your cars and donate away the rest of your savings so that you too may qualify to enjoy the easy lifestyle?

I join you in wishing to limit exaggerated social benefits but it's because I truly feel sorry for those people and not due to an ounce of the sense of envy that seems to pervade posts in this thread. I'm well paid for the important work that I do and that allows me to live my life on a higher level than those people.

So I'm just suggesting that you allow one little tiny tiny tiny piece of lib into your head and your heart for just a second and take stock in how fortunate you are to be bright, able and motivated to be such a success. I agree with you all about the nature of being cautious about dependency but I'd prefer to critique it from a humane perspective.

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NEhomer wrote:Hey, to the conservatives in here I gotta ask you a question.

If this freeloading lifestyle is so cushy, why don't you quit your job, give away your home, give away your cars and donate away the rest of your savings so that you too may qualify to enjoy the easy lifestyle?

I join you in wishing to limit exaggerated social benefits but it's because I truly feel sorry for those people and not due to an ounce of the sense of envy that seems to pervade posts in this thread. I'm well paid for the important work that I do and that allows me to live my life on a higher level than those people.

So I'm just suggesting that you allow one little tiny tiny tiny piece of lib into your head and your heart for just a second and take stock in how fortunate you are to be bright, able and motivated to be such a success. I agree with you all about the nature of being cautious about dependency but I'd prefer to critique it from a humane perspective.


You too are missing the point. Conservatism does allow for those very things you speak of but we also know to solve the problem those people have to change and not just receive everything without having any responsibility to provide for themselves. That is what people need and want but know not how to do it. Our job is to help them learn and not just to provide. Liberalism of today is nothing more than a method to make the givers FEEL good while conservatism is a way to make the recievers feel good. That often requires what we all call tough love which is often not pleasant but necessary. Teach rather than give has always worked while just giving has always failed.
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The liberal elite has made victimization into an industry. Having people dependent upon them keeps them in power. The liberal elite also cultivate concepts like "white privilege" and " the war against women" ( and various "wars" against practically every small demographic) in order to keep the mainstream liberals under their thumbs. Encouraging outrage at every turn keeps liberals banded together and encourages decisions based on emotion rather than intellect. It also massages egos as it allows liberals to hold themselves above everyone else...they're obviously better off than the various victims since they see the necessity to look down with pity, and they're 'above' conservatives by virtue of what they view as their superior empathy. It's like their self-perceived moral superiority gives their lives relevance.
What do liberal elites like Hillary and Bernie and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do to help the oppressed other than run their mouths about how the rest of us should contribute to dependency on government? Hillary's family foundation gives back about 10% of its income to charity, Sharpton owes $4 million in taxes ( wouldn't that money make a huge difference to the lives of many of the oppressed?). Bernie's contribution has been to name a couple of post offices, and Jackson...I have to admit he's got me stumped.

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the left care not one whit about the poor they only care about power and to get that power they have created a dependent class

The Democrat left with President Johnson started Great society concept which destroyed the black families need for a husband with a govt check. Single parent families and unwed mothers were a rarity in the fifties. Then the left created govt schools which are nothing more than indoctrination centers and fight like heck against black families that wish to flee that system with vouchers and leave failed inner city schools to get their kids properly educated.



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So what news source would you suggest? And if you suggest anything remotely connected to Fox your answer will be discredited immediately but anyone with an inkling of common sense.

Those of us that have learned to do 'critical thinking' watch and read multiple sources both Liberal and Conservative.......in that way you can actually consider both side of an argument and make informed decisions......Something you apparently are void on! Looking over your posts, you are clearly one of the 'Liberal Sheep' following the herd over the cliff of Socialism...!

P.S. Taking a course does not mean one understands the topic or succeeded in it.[/quote]

One course probably does not, but multiple courses resulting in a Graduate Degree at the age of 49 would indicate the person has at least made an effort to be educated and have a basic understanding of such things as Logic, Statistics, Economics, etc.

Of course looking at Hillary and Obama....proves not all come out of school educated!

So how is it that you came to make such inspired comments.....the school of CNN? Don't you ever get a little curious about what else you really do not know?

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Post by Timewise65 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:41 am

nikegundog wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:Seems strange to me that Fox is the only source that presents both sides of an issue and has a largesr audience that the others combined an yet a lot of liberals will tell you that they have no credibility. Maybe it is those listeners that lack creditability. HUMMMMMMMM?
Got my laugh in right there, Faux News entertainment TV at its best. :roll:
Consider that you are laughing your way right into Socialism..............the laugh may be on you and all your future generations!

It will then stop making you laugh.....as the laugh will be on you and those like you......

Maybe consider doing a bit of reading our side of liberal media and comic books!

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So much ridiculousness packed into a day of posts haha. My favorite is saying NPR takes money at gun point!

But for the record, I read, watch, and consume news from all sources, then compare the information and then determine which is the most logical, realistic, and factual conclusion. But generally speaking, Fox has the least credibility after critically viewing all sources.

And Charlie, I'm not out of touch with reality. In fact I probably have more invested in the future of this country than you considering I have more life to live and an infant who will live in the future. I'm grounded in family values as well as charity, love, and compassion. I hope my child does the same. Also, I'm not a liberal but rather I believe in Liberalism... the kind of Liberalism that John Locke endorsed, including the natural right to life, liberty, and property without governments infringing on those rights. BUUUTTT... as time as progressed those natural rights were infringed on back in the 80's when supply-side economics aka trickle-down economics aka "Reaganomics" were employed and that, combined with the destruction of unions (one of the only ways workers could ensure fair wage increases and working conditions), destroyed the middle class
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Well mnaj there is something to be said for being consistent and ridiculous is something you know a lot about. Keep posting because with all that is going on in our country today I can always use a good chuckle and you are amusing. :roll:

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This John Locke from the 1600's.

He saw the right to property as more important than the right to participate in government and public decision-making, and he did not endorse democracy, fearing that giving power to the people would erode the sanctity of private property

Wow! That's going a ways back

Then in his 50's he moved in with friends so he could write about liberalism.

And free trade agreements is making us compete with dollar a day wages. That is killing the middle class.

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mnaj_springer wrote:
1) I'll ignore the fact that you have to group people (the "political ilk" comment) to comprehend views different than yours. It's not the stances, necessarily, that are deemed races... It's usually the tactics involved, such as racial profiling.

You're proving to be very adept at ignoring facts.

2) It's not men wanting to share a restroom with your daughter. It's transgender women, or women as they should be called, who want to use the restroom that matches their gender. Actually it's also transgender men who want to use the men's room.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm much more comfortable now with the thought a a grown man sharing a restroom with my young daughter. Question for you, and we'll see it we get a straight, honest answer; if gender can truly be changed, and post-surgery the individual can legitimately assume it's new gender, would you be willing to marry one?

3) I've previously posted about how the "right to life" is a belief that both sides have but they've subjective defined it differently (the abortion and death penalty paradigm).

So once you've posted on a topic, that's the end of discussion? No group is more hideously persecuted than the innocent unborn. There's no moral equivalence between abortion and the death penalty. No matter how you might attempt to justify abortion, each and every one takes the life of a helpless, innocent child, either for convenience, or worse yet, to be sold as parts in order to pad the bottom line of providers such as Planned Parenthood.

4) Those companies are businesses. They have to follow the law, including health care laws.

I was asked for an example of Christians being persecuted. The laws passed by your president forcing Christians to participate in the slaughter called abortion are clearly violations of religious rights.

5 & 6) As a white man you will never know what it's like to be systematically discrimated against, which means you will never know what it's like to protest to save your life.
Your arrogance knows no bounds. You know nothing about me.

It's laughable to state that folks on your side of the aisle protest to save lives, given the current tally of eight murdered law enforcement officers. Exactly how many lives have those BLM protests saved?

I'm amused that you and homer lack the courage to identify yourselves as the extreme liberals that you are. Centrist, my azz. Man up, both of you. You're an embarrassment to your party. I'm checking out of this thread. Last word is yours.....

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greg jacobs wrote:And free trade agreements is making us compete with dollar a day wages. That is killing the middle class.
And those jobs are outsourced by the same 1 percenters that Reagan called job creators and then gave huge tax breaks to. Mealwhile small businesses who can't outsource their jobs sink and they never got those same tax breaks.
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[quote="mnaj_springer"]So much ridiculousness packed into a day of posts haha. My favorite is saying NPR takes money at gun point!

But for the record, I read, watch, and consume news from all sources, then compare the information and then determine which is the most logical, realistic, and factual conclusion. But generally speaking, Fox has the least credibility after critically viewing all sources.

Based on your post, and I quote "anything remotely connected to Fox your answer will be discredited immediately but anyone with an inkling of common sense."

I do not believe a bit of what you say above! You better get your stories straight! I smell an "Idealog" what is poorly informed and only believes what he believes....regardless! Which Union owns you mind? :mrgreen:

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Ckirsch, so I was wrong? You're not a white man? Also, I'm already married so your question doesn't really matter. But it's not a grown man in the restroom with your daughter, it's a grown woman. But that concept seems beyond you since I already explained the concept. Speaking of that, regarding the right to life paradigm, I was only stating that my point had been made regarding the hypocrisy and then ignored because folks hate that cognitive dissonance that comes with saying murder is wrong then turning around and endorsing it.

I'm not on any side of the aisle. I vote both democrat and republican, depending on the candidates at each position. Again, I'm tough to pigeon-hole. You're not the first to struggle with it. But I hope that some of the changes that have been created after the BLM protests will save lives, such as de-escalation techniques and body cameras.

One last thing... Some folks in this thread have recently suggested that the Republican Party supports people taking personal responsibility for themselves. I agree. They have also said Fox News is the most unbiased news source. I disagree. But I saw a video article from Fox online, and there was a quote that said President Obama has blood on his hands for the officers killed in Baton Rouge. Now how can the republican backed Fox News promote the aforementioned family AND ignore the fact that the killers are personally responsible?
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mnaj_springer wrote:Ckirsch, so I was wrong? You're not a white man? Also, I'm already married so your question doesn't really matter. But it's not a grown man in the restroom with your daughter, it's a grown woman. But that concept seems beyond you since I already explained the concept. Speaking of that, regarding the right to life paradigm, I was only stating that my point had been made regarding the hypocrisy and then ignored because folks hate that cognitive dissonance that comes with saying murder is wrong then turning around and endorsing it.

I'm not on any side of the aisle. I vote both democrat and republican, depending on the candidates at each position. Again, I'm tough to pigeon-hole. You're not the first to struggle with it. But I hope that some of the changes that have been created after the BLM protests will save lives, such as de-escalation techniques and body cameras.

One last thing... Some folks in this thread have recently suggested that the Republican Party supports people taking personal responsibility for themselves. I agree. They have also said Fox News is the most unbiased news source. I disagree. But I saw a video article from Fox online, and there was a quote that said President Obama has blood on his hands for the officers killed in Baton Rouge. Now how can the republican backed Fox News promote the aforementioned family AND ignore the fact that the killers are personally responsible?
That did not come from Fox but rather they reported what an individual had said. They call that journalism without putting your spin on it.
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mnaj_springer wrote:Ckirsch, so I was wrong? You're not a white man? Also, I'm already married so your question doesn't really matter. But it's not a grown man in the restroom with your daughter, it's a grown woman. But that concept seems beyond you since I already explained the concept. Speaking of that, regarding the right to life paradigm, I was only stating that my point had been made regarding the hypocrisy and then ignored because folks hate that cognitive dissonance that comes with saying murder is wrong then turning around and endorsing it.

I'm not on any side of the aisle. I vote both democrat and republican, depending on the candidates at each position. Again, I'm tough to pigeon-hole. You're not the first to struggle with it. But I hope that some of the changes that have been created after the BLM protests will save lives, such as de-escalation techniques and body cameras.

One last thing... Some folks in this thread have recently suggested that the Republican Party supports people taking personal responsibility for themselves. I agree. They have also said Fox News is the most unbiased news source. I disagree. But I saw a video article from Fox online, and there was a quote that said President Obama has blood on his hands for the officers killed in Baton Rouge. Now how can the republican backed Fox News promote the aforementioned family AND ignore the fact that the killers are personally responsible?
That did not come from Fox but rather they reported what an individual had said. They call that journalism without putting your spin on it.
They can choose what to publish. They chose to publish something that removes responsibility from the responsible party. Are you ok with that? Aren't you the one who mentioned that people need to have personal responsibility?
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Don't believe it is up to the reporter what thwy need to report. Remember, we are talking about reporting the newa and not just what they want to or what agrees with their agenda. It is newa and not opinion.\
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ezzy333 wrote:Don't believe it is up to the reporter what thwy need to report. Remember, we are talking about reporting the newa and not just what they want to or what agrees with their agenda. It is newa and not opinion.\
If you think they didn't seek out someone with that opinion then you don't understand major news stations. They get paid by people. Fox News is paid for by hardcore conservatives who are anti-Obama. The person they interviewed was a Cleveland detective who has nothing to do with what happened, but he was willing to say that in record.
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Yep, you got it. Only Fox did not do an interview but they did report. Think that is kind of the way things are suppose to work with a free impartial media.
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I'm amused that you and homer lack the courage to identify yourselves as the extreme liberals that you are. Centrist, my azz. Man up, both of you. You're an embarrassment to your party. I'm checking out of this thread. Last word is yours....

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What is a "Centrist"? To me, it is a person who really doesn't have any beliefs of his/her own and pretty much just goes with whatever is popular and/or accepted at any given time. I guess that makes them feel good. I believe that there are far too many people who feel this way [complacency] and, IMO, is a danger to our freedoms and way of life.
And as far as one so called "Centrist" asked "why don't you conservatives quit your jobs etc. if life is so cushy living off the government/taxpayers?" Who ever said it was cushy?
Responsible and hard working citizens would never want to live that sort of life. These people are living with the bare minimum [although many of them are subsidizing it with their drug dealing], but it is the way they have been raised and know no different. They have become dependent and just accept it. They have no ambition, dreams or desire for anything different. And this is not JMO, I am stating the reality of this mess from experience and interacting and dealing with these people for many years. And i will also say, it makes no difference the nationality or skin color, there are enough government hand outs for anyone who knows how to work the system. One strategy is to stay single and have multiple children and then at tax time receive a gift of several thousand dollars [and that is what it is, a gift], depending on the number of children. I am so fed up with it, I have run out of things to say.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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birddogger wrote:What is a "Centrist"? To me, it is a person who really doesn't have any beliefs of his/her own and pretty much just goes with whatever is popular and/or accepted at any given time. I guess that makes them feel good. I believe that there are far too many people who feel this way [complacency] and, IMO, is a danger to our freedoms and way of life.
And as far as one so called "Centrist" asked "why don't you conservatives quit your jobs etc. if life is so cushy living off the government/taxpayers?" Who ever said it was cushy?
Responsible and hard working citizens would never want to live that sort of life. These people are living with the bare minimum [although many of them are subsidizing it with their drug dealing], but it is the way they have been raised and know no different. They have become dependent and just accept it. They have no ambition, dreams or desire for anything different. And this is not JMO, I am stating the reality of this mess from experience and interacting and dealing with these people for many years. And i will also say, it makes no difference the nationality or skin color, there are enough government hand outs for anyone who knows how to work the system. One strategy is to stay single and have multiple children and then at tax time receive a gift of several thousand dollars [and that is what it is, a gift], depending on the number of children. I am so fed up with it, I have run out of things to say.

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Post by mnaj_springer » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:53 pm

birddogger wrote:What is a "Centrist"? To me, it is a person who really doesn't have any beliefs of his/her own and pretty much just goes with whatever is popular and/or accepted at any given time. I guess that makes them feel good. I believe that there are far too many people who feel this way [complacency] and, IMO, is a danger to our freedoms and way of life.
And as far as one so called "Centrist" asked "why don't you conservatives quit your jobs etc. if life is so cushy living off the government/taxpayers?" Who ever said it was cushy?
Responsible and hard working citizens would never want to live that sort of life. These people are living with the bare minimum [although many of them are subsidizing it with their drug dealing], but it is the way they have been raised and know no different. They have become dependent and just accept it. They have no ambition, dreams or desire for anything different. And this is not JMO, I am stating the reality of this mess from experience and interacting and dealing with these people for many years. And i will also say, it makes no difference the nationality or skin color, there are enough government hand outs for anyone who knows how to work the system. One strategy is to stay single and have multiple children and then at tax time receive a gift of several thousand dollars [and that is what it is, a gift], depending on the number of children. I am so fed up with it, I have run out of things to say.

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Post by greg jacobs » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:26 am

From everything I read, most self-proclaimed Centrists lean left and are more aligned with the democratic party.

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Post by NEhomer » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:46 am

A centrist believes that fur trapping is not unethical and that gay marriage is not immoral. He doesn't take sides based upon red state blue state sensibilities. Most importantly, he uses his moral compass to guide his actions and decisions instead of using his beliefs to force his behavior upon others.

One of the most aggravating things that I have to hear from the right is this recent trend of religious persecution laws being hailed as religious freedom laws. Then going on to blame the left's intolerance of intolerance as an example of intolerance. Use your religion to inform YOUR life. You're free to do that but if your religion (...or better yet, your interpretation of your religion) suggests that you should compel others under the threat of law to behave as you do, then you are a problem in a secular society.

A centrist recognizes that such a thing happens in both directions like the trapping ban here in MA in 1996. That didn't come from conservatives, that came from bleeding heart liberals and they can kiss my bottom half. If you don't like trapping then don't set a trap....problem solved. Oh we can still snap a trap on the neck of a rodent who's peeing in our silverware drawer but if the rodent is large and felling my apple trees, trapping is too cruel. How utterly ridiculous.

If you don't like trapping, don't set one, if you don't like abortion, don't have one, don't think a gun in your home will make you safer, don't keep one, don't like homosexuality, sleep with the opposite sex, don't like meat don't eat it, don't like animal testing, buy products that don't test, don't like dog racing, don't go to the track....etc etc

Now, by all means use your 1st Amendment rights to influence others to your heart's content. Wear a t shirt, put a bumper sticker on your car, buy TV and billboard time. Just don't force your behavior upon me through law. The poster above accuses me of lacking conviction but alas, the paradigm I describe is one that we can all live with while the way left and the way right will always have us at odds with one another.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by cjhills » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:05 am

Very impressed with the RNC and Mrs. Trumps speech.
Too bad they could not afford a speech writer and had to plagiarize Michelle Obama's 2008 speech. Did they think we would forget. Just not the same the time second time around...................Cj

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Post by Timewise65 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:20 am

cjhills wrote:Very impressed with the RNC and Mrs. Trumps speech.
Too bad they could not afford a speech writer and had to plagiarize Michelle Obama's 2008 speech. Did they think we would forget. Just not the same the time second time around...................Cj
If you would have taken time to do the research you would find that this accusation from CNN is weak at the very least. The similar language in this speech to something Michelle's speech is not a complete sentence of phrase, only some similar identifying words ....not meeting the standard for Plagiarism! Regardless even if one could make a case.... I didn't realize Melania was running for office.

Yet looking back, VP Biden lifted plenty in most of his speeches and worse than that, Barry had someone write his whole lucrative book for him. It's all good. 8)

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