Identifying the Enemy

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Post by Ouzel » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:53 pm

Here's an excerpt or two from an article which I previously cited in the New Yorker written ABOUT the person who was the ghost writer for Trump's book, "The Art of the Deal". The guy who wrote Trump's book is Schwartz and he spent 18 months at Trump's side, in his office, and listening to all his phone conversations and observing all his face to face meetings and knows him better than anyone outside his immediate family.


"... Schwartz believes that Trump’s short attention span has left him with “a stunning level of superficial knowledge and plain ignorance.” He said, “That’s why he so prefers TV as his first news source—information comes in easily digestible sound bites.” He added, “I seriously doubt that Trump has ever read a book straight through in his adult life.” During the eighteen months that he observed Trump, Schwartz said, he never saw a book on Trump’s desk, or elsewhere in his office, or in his apartment.

Schwartz says of Trump, “He lied strategically. He had a complete lack of conscience about it.” Since most people are “constrained by the truth,” Trump’s indifference to it “gave him a strange advantage.”

When challenged about the facts, Schwartz says, Trump would often double down, repeat himself, and grow belligerent.

He saw Trump as driven not by a pure love of dealmaking but by an insatiable hunger for “money, praise, and celebrity.”

Schwartz says of Trump, “He’d like people when they were helpful, and turn on them when they weren’t. It wasn’t personal. He’s a transactional man—it was all about what you could do for him.”



So, you can say that the author of this piece is a left wing radical and dismiss it, but since we've all seen Trump on TV acting exactly as this person describes him I'd say he nailed it. This is not about liberals vs. conservatives, it's about having a pathological liar as our president- someone who represents us in our dealings with the entire world. A fact!

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by NEhomer » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:17 am

You'd have to vote for either of these candidates with your nose plugged. A strong case for either being a good choice for president simply does not exist.

Great stuff Doug, haven't read a word of yours that I'd take exception to.

I was a Bernie supporter and although he isn't perfect, he's smart and kind and has a proven record of foresight. For every bad thing that's happened in the past 30 years, there's video of Bernie trying to stop it. The new e-mails released confirm that it was always rigged against him and so we're left with a dope and a crook.

I'm 56 and I've never been so low when it comes to my opinion of the electorate in this Country.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Timewise65 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:01 am

NEhomer wrote: I'm 56 and I've never been so low when it comes to my opinion of the electorate in this Country.
Since you are a Socialist, I would expect you to feel "low"!

Socialism, when tried throughout World history, created a whole population of people feeling "Low" if they were not dead! This is without exception! Many felt the 'burn'! :evil:

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by NEhomer » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:15 am

Timewise, you write as if you barely finished high school.


...which was free by the way.

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Post by Timewise65 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:30 am

[quote="DougB"][quote="Timewise65"][quote="DougB"][quote="Timewise65"]To ALL of you Trump haters, especially those who refer to him telling lies.

I got both my degrees (yes, plural), including the business one, back when reading, writing, and math were university entry requirements, not graduation requirements. I have had my own business and have worked for several major retailers in management positions. When a victim stands up and says "this happened to me" and gets it published in a major trade journal, the odds are strong that it happened. CNN is not on my TV menu, but they do occasionally get things right. Attack the facts, not the messenger. Name calling and insults are not debate, but rather Trumps preferred method of attack. That, and the big lie. Surprisingly, NPR frequently interviews real experts in different fields. Some of them are conservatives. It was a conservative who made the observation that the GOP was "batshit crazy".

The only references you mention above are CNN and NPR (Trade Journal, unnamed reference?), as I suspect you listen to these way to often judging from your obvious bias! Trump consistently attacks those who attack him, FINALLY we have a candidate that does not hold back and focus on Political Correctness...truly a breath of fresh air!


Hillery is rational in that she works with facts. Thinks things through, and uses experts as advisors. She understands that words and actions have consequences in the real world. I may not like the direction she chooses, but I have no idea where Trump intends to go. His misrepresentation of the US economy indicates that he has no idea of where we are. He ignores reliable sources of information, makes up what he needs, and yells loudly and confidently to his sycophants, who obediently suck it in.

Hillary working with facts, now that is comical....even her own party knows she lies about most things. She said in an interview recently, that she would let Bill deal with the economy, since she doesn't understand it as well as he does....OMG Billy boy is losing it lately, no longer has a clear mind, in case you missed that! You fail to mention the 'big economic elephant in the room... how many trillion has Obama spending caused? Do you think this will not impact our economy for generations to come? How much is to much in you mind, or do you just ignore this? By the way, it is Hillary, not Hillery....I cannot spell either..


Of course data on the economy is verifiable. Multiple sources. Trade magazines, government reports, college and university research projects. You want to refute the evidence, you have to do more than yell and repeat denials. Use facts. If you can find them. Cite the source once in a while. Personal opinion is just that, and needs verification to have more value than casual conversation.

I obviously disagree with Obama's view and yours, of our current economy! Instead of bouncing sources back and forth, just focus on the Trillions of dollars accumulated since Obama took office....this statistic is acknowledged by most sources you mention.....Why does Obama and guys like you ignore it?! This alone will, over time, destroy our economy for years to come.



Wow, where do I start? So much to say with so little logic or references...just talk! I too have two degrees and I am retired, so you can assume I went during the same period as you did when entry was difficult and Thesis was required at the graduate level...! So what, that and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee....

For the rest see my comments above...

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Timewise65 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:34 am

NEhomer wrote:Timewise, you write as if you barely finished high school.


...which was free by the way.
Homer.....you just don't write....kind of like you just really have nothing to say! "sticks and stones...."

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Post by mnaj_springer » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:09 am

Timewise65 wrote:
NEhomer wrote: I'm 56 and I've never been so low when it comes to my opinion of the electorate in this Country.
Since you are a Socialist, I would expect you to feel "low"!

Socialism, when tried throughout World history, created a whole population of people feeling "Low" if they were not dead! This is without exception! Many felt the 'burn'! :evil:
Oh we're giving others labels now? That may not end especially well for you.
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Post by DougB » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:23 am

Socialism, when tried throughout World history, created a whole population of people feeling "Low" if they were not dead! This is without exception! Many felt the 'burn'! :evil:
You may want to revisit the Nordic countries-Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and maybe toss in Germany. High taxes (as nothing is free), but thriving economies and high standards of living with strong socialistic systems in place.

Socialism and capitalism can run together. I don't know if the world has ever had a purely socialistic society since we got above the tribal level. Maybe a few monasteries .

We seem to have descended to the "yes he did, no he didn't" state of arguing, with a few "you're a poopy head" tossed in every once in a while. I think I'll head for the gun owning liberals forum for a while. They may point out you are an idiot by destroying your argument with facts and logic, but they have the good grace to avoid calling you an idiot. They will use stronger language, but their arguments use facts and figures and real logic. When challenged, they will cite sources.
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Post by MNTonester » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:36 am

On the other hand, the buffoonish Trump and the criminal Hillary being the nominees for the highest office in the land might be just another indication and symptom that we are in the last days

p.s. I saw a little blurb that of the 60+ speeches at the opening day of the DNC, NOT ONE brought up ISIS or how Hillary would best deal with the Islamic threat

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Post by shags » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:50 am

Oh the irony of the DNC.
Fences and walls all around that keep American citizens out yet illegals are allowed in.
The mother of a dead thug is scheduled to speak, yet no LEOs get a voice. Can't wait to hear her parenting tips.
Mrs. Obama proclaims the US as the greatest country on earth, yet her husbands continually apologizes for it; she also emphasized that the president can't be thinned skinned or have a tendency to lash out...exactly her husband's MO.
Hillary's idea of feminism is to set up other women as a 7th grade mean girl attack dogs who can be ridiculed, rather than take the heat herself.
Bernie is finally vindicated, yet turns around and endorses the chief fixee. Or fixer.

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Post by Timewise65 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:58 am

DougB wrote:
Socialism, when tried throughout World history, created a whole population of people feeling "Low" if they were not dead! This is without exception! Many felt the 'burn'! :evil:
You may want to revisit the Nordic countries-Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and maybe toss in Germany. High taxes (as nothing is free), but thriving economies and high standards of living with strong socialistic systems in place.

Socialism and capitalism can run together. I don't know if the world has ever had a purely socialistic society since we got above the tribal level. Maybe a few monasteries .

We seem to have descended to the "yes he did, no he didn't" state of arguing, with a few "you're a poopy head" tossed in every once in a while. I think I'll head for the gun owning liberals forum for a while. They may point out you are an idiot by destroying your argument with facts and logic, but they have the good grace to avoid calling you an idiot. They will use stronger language, but their arguments use facts and figures and real logic. When challenged, they will cite sources.
DB...........Actually I worked for DeLaval for a number of years. They are a Swedish Company. I traveled frequently to Sweden and Germany and made many friends, including some Danes...all I met hate their form of Government (Germans, not so much as they are not totally Socialized). The cost of purchasing anything like clothing, housewares, food, etc. is extremely high, not affordable, accept for just the basic needs. The myth of 'higher standard of living' is a myth. If like other Socialist systems this continues, it will too fail.....this was the same story by the Danes I met including two that worked for me here in the USA. Again, you do little research and do not question what you hear/read from your sources. As for your perspective on 'others' I find their flawed logic and BS entertaining, but I will be 'darned' if I feel any obligation to support what I say. Been 'there done that' and I know you cannot teach a Liberal anything! It is a waste of time....as for many others that have jumped in with good conservative thoughts and comments....they already know the truth....they too do not need someone proving the obvious...!
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Doug, thanks for adding some facts and reason to the conversation. It's clear you have a well-rounded perspective that isn't limited and/or defined by your life experiences.
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DB...........Actually I worked for DeLaval for a number of years. They are a Swedish Company. I traveled frequently to Sweden and Germany and made many friends, including some Danes...all I met hate their form of Government (Germans, not so much as they are not totally Socialized). The cost of purchasing anything like clothing, housewares, food, etc. is extremely high, not affordable, accept for just the basic needs. The myth of 'higher standard of living' is a myth. If like other Socialist systems this continues, it will too fail.....this was the same story by the Danes I met including two that worked for me here in the USA. Again, you do little research and do not question what you hear/read from your sources. As for your perspective on 'others' I find their flawed logic and BS entertaining, but I will be 'darned' if I feel any obligation to support what I say. Been 'there done that' and I know you cannot teach a Liberal anything! It is a waste of time....as for many others that have jumped in with good conservative thoughts and comments....they already know the truth....they too do not need someone proving the obvious...!
You have an opinion. Worth what I paid for it. Wikipedia cites a UN report-a study, as in science, math, data, facts.
Happiest people and live longer.
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The United Nations World Happiness Report 2013 shows that the happiest nations are concentrated in Northern Europe. The Nordics ranked highest on the metrics of real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, generosity and freedom from corruption.[19]
The Nordic countries received the highest ranking for protecting workers rights on the International Trade Union Confederation's 2014 Global Rights Index, with Denmark being the only nation to receive a perfect score.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... expectancy
Norway, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Canada, UK, Australia all have greater average life spans than the US.

For the win!!!

I did see some articles backing your opinion. Didn't believe them (trying a new argument tactic-just deny) I find your personal experiences interesting but not statistically meaningful. You may someday find a need to back up what you say. Strangers are not apt to accept your words at face value. For all I know, your friends don't either. Point out to you that there is a difference between observation and study. How big is your sample. How did you determine their level of dislike. Did you talk to a random group, or just a few aquaintances I like living in Minnesota, but I complain about snow, cold, mosquitos, and humidity. I complain about taxes, but I really like watching the snowplow after a blizzard. I like the educational systems, the health care systems, the hunting grounds, the theaters and restaurants, and the people.
What you saw and heard may have been people making their daily complaints, but your mind is turned off to anything new or outside your belief set-same as Trumps mind is turned off and locked. Coincidence? Trump demonstrates the value of not knowing much, thinking you do, and speaking loudly. The big lie syndrome in use again. It also worked last time.
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Post by MNTonester » Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:18 pm

The big lie syndrome in use again
Mothers of 3 Attempted Murderers Champion Clinton In Philly

Posted July 26, 2016 by Bob Owens

The official theme of tonight’s Democrat National Convention is “A Lifetime of Fighting for Children and Families.”

In reality, however, the common thread between the “Mothers of a Movement” representing Hillary Clinton might be better represented by a classic rock song.

The “Mothers of a Movement” embraced by the Clinton campaign include three violent criminals shot and killed while attempting to murder people (two of them law enforcement officers), the mother of a woman who committed suicide in jail because her family wouldn’t post bail, the mother of a grossly obese scofflaw who had a heart attack after resisting arrest, and another mother who routinely lies about the role of “stand your ground” laws in her son’s death.

The “Mothers of the Movement” — mothers whose unarmed African-American children have been killed by law enforcement or due to gun violence — will speak about why Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to lead the country, at the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday night.

“She’s been dealing with these kind of systematic issues all along, so her records speak for itself. So she didn’t just join the game. She’s been doing the work already she’s been in the trenches, so she understands dynamically the way to move forward to be able to change this,” said Lucy McBath, mother of Jordan Davis, Tuesday on CNN’s “New Day.”

The 17-year-old was killed after Michael Dunn shot into an SUV full of Davis and his friends at a Jacksonville, Florida, gas station following an argument over loud music from the teens’ vehicle.

The “Mothers of a Movement” embraced by an overtly pro-criminal Clinton campaign include:

Geneva Reed-Veal: Mother of Sandra Bland, the Black Lives Matter activist accused of kicking a police officer during a traffic stop, who committed suicide after several days in jail after her family refused to post bail.
Gwen Carr: Mother of Eric Garner, the grossly obese New York man who suffered a heart attack and died while resisting arrest. Despite claims the was choked to death in popular media, there was no physical damage to his throat.
Lucia McBath: Mother of Jordan Davis, a young man murdered in Florida over a loud car stereo. McBath serially lies about “stand your ground” laws (which played no role in her son’s death) as a Moms Demand Action activist.
Maria Hamilton: Her son Dontre Hamilton attacked Milwaukee police officer Christopher Manney and was fatally shot for attempting to beat the officer to death. Manney was found to be justified, and was forced to take disability.
Sybrina Fulton: Mother of drug-abusing, thieving, illegal gun dealing street thug Trayvon Martin, who was shot and killed with a single shot after he attacked neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman and attempted to beat him to death.

Curiously, Clinton won’t list the most infamous member of the group on her campaign site, possibly because she’s a violent criminal herself who avoided armed robbery charges only out of political expediency.

Lezley McSpadden: mother of infamous attempted cop-killer Michael Brown, will be among the featured speakers. Brown was a strongarm robbery suspect who twice attempted to kill Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. Brown attacked Wilson in vehicle and attempted to take the officer’s gun, and only momentarily retreated when shot in the hand struggling for control of the weapon. Brown began to run away, but wheeled around and charged Officer Wilson when Wilson shouted for him to halt. Wilson fired a flurry of shots—all to Brown’s front—the final two shots striking Brown in the head as he bull-rushed Wilson. Brown fell at Wilson’s feet.

McSpadden and her surviving violent kin attacked memorabilia vendors (including Michael Brown Sr.’s mother-in-law) selling “I am Mike Brown” merchandise, stealing cash and merchandise and sending one person to the hospital in a violent attack. Part of McSpadden’s raiding party was her violent-ex-con husband Louis Head, who screamed “burn this b*tch down!” and incited the rioting in Ferguson when Officer Wilson was deemed justified in defending his life against McSpadden’s violent criminal son.

It’s often been said that you can tell a lot about about a person based on the character of their company.

It should hardly surprise any of us that a candidate who has (at least momentarily) avoided federal felony charges herself surrounds herself with the family members of other criminals.
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by shags » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:04 pm

No wives, mothers, or daughters of 8 murdered LEOs? Huh, who'd thunk it?

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Post by Timewise65 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:16 pm

Doug,,,,
What you missed was checking up on using the UN as a source. Everybody knows they have become one of the worst places to go for anything factual. They are run primarily by 3rd world countries....most American's agree it is time to get out of the UN and raise the rent for those who stay in!

Silly you..............Why don't you just go to mnaj_springer, like you he thinks he has all the answers!

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NEhomer wrote:Timewise, you write as if you barely finished high school.


...which was free by the way.
Free huh ? I own two houses in NY and have to pay school tax on both houses . Interesting outlook . & I guess if one chooses to use a credit card to live beyond their means ~ why not ?

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Timewise65 wrote:Doug,,,,
What you missed was checking up on using the UN as a source. Everybody knows they have become one of the worst places to go for anything factual. They are run primarily by 3rd world countries....most American's agree it is time to get out of the UN and raise the rent for those who stay in!

Silly you..............Why don't you just go to mnaj_springer, like you he thinks he has all the answers!
I don't claim to have all the answers, but when I look for them I look for facts and not just stories to further my point of view. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If the facts (scientific facts, not just casual observations) don't mesh with my perspective then my perspective changes. For example: the case of Michael Brown... Initially people said his hands were up and he was surrendering. I thought "wow, that's wrong to shoot someone surrendering." Then forensics (scientific facts) came out with a different story and I thought, "ok so this shooting seems more legit." I was willing to change perspectives based on evidence as I do with other information. Timewise, you on the other hand, have been presented with irrefutable facts that contradict some of your perspectives, yet you have not changed your mind, but rather you have doubled down. Seems it makes perfect sense that you endorse Trump.
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Timewise65 wrote:Doug,,,,
What you missed was checking up on using the UN as a source. Everybody knows they have become one of the worst places to go for anything factual. They are run primarily by 3rd world countries....most American's agree it is time to get out of the UN and raise the rent for those who stay in!

Silly you..............Why don't you just go to mnaj_springer, like you he thinks he has all the answers!
1) are you 5 years old. The last time somebody told me to just go with someone was on an elementary school play ground. Now , I have been told to "get a room" a few times since, but not really the same thing.
2) A report based on research from any organization has more value than one persons opinion.

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While I respect mnag_springer for his ability to argue logically and factually, and his good sense to live in MN, I don't know him. MN is a large state. Also, I don't need him to help me as
“I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things".
4) You are wrong. Pick a topic. You are wrong. Trump reasoning. I type it firmly and confidently, with out worrying about accuracy and I don't need to cite sources, as I have a very good brain.

5) Looking over the methodology used in preparing the report, available on-line at http://worldhappiness.report, it seems reliable. A blend of subjective evaluations and objective results from reliable sources. Certainly more reliable than one persons subjective response to casual encounters and undocumented responses.
Latest poll was 38% for UN, 8% undecided, 54% against. I looked it up. You were right about people wanting out, but failed to prove it, and have shown no evidence that they are an unreliable source of information.

Interestingly enough, I was jumped on by a couple of liberals once for using a conservative source for a comment about the effectiveness of gun control. Most of the liberals actually said that the source is not as important as the data, and as they all owned guns, agreed with the comments. Check the data, attack it. Takes some time.
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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Max2 wrote:
NEhomer wrote:Timewise, you write as if you barely finished high school.


...which was free by the way.
Free huh ? I own two houses in NY and have to pay school tax on both houses . Interesting outlook . & I guess if one chooses to use a credit card to live beyond their means ~ why not ?
Of course everything's funded so if you want to pat yourself on the back for your semantics win go ahead. You pay no fee to attend public school but it's funded whether you use it or not. Roads are paved and plowed in the same manner. Police protection is provided whether you need it or not. The list of basic socialist benefits goes on.

Do you take the same exception when Bernie talks of free college tuition or do you accuse his supporters of wanting free stuff?

Very little is truly free in this world.

...as for living beyond one's means I'm stumped as to how that notion is related.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by shags » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:15 am

Homer, maybe grab an 8th grade civics book and look up the definition of socialism. Once you understand the concept, feel free to throw the word around.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by NEhomer » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:10 am

No thanks shags. If you're not sure of what I'm saying just ask.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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With unemployment down, economy improving, stock market up, no wars, no scandals .... I'm wondering why people feel Obama's presidency was a disaster?

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Ouzel wrote:With unemployment down, economy improving, stock market up, no wars, no scandals .... I'm wondering why people feel Obama's presidency was a disaster?
Economy, foreign policy, race relations, military power, gun control, immigration policies, healthcare, war in middle east, gitmo, travel expense, climate policy, religious freedom, lack of respect for our veterans and many of our citizens, wealth distribution to name a few.
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Ouzel wrote:With unemployment down, economy improving, stock market up, no wars, no scandals .... I'm wondering why people feel Obama's presidency was a disaster?
Economy, foreign policy, race relations, military power, gun control, immigration policies, healthcare, war in middle east, gitmo, travel expense, climate policy, religious freedom, lack of respect for our veterans and many of our citizens, wealth distribution to name a few.
You should really expand on those because it's not a given that they are all bad, or that we know exactly what you mean. The economy, for example.... Multiple posters have posted and cited multiple statistics which indicate economic growth, so saying "economy" does not explain much of anything.
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Post by Timewise65 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:22 am

DougB and M..springer.

'Birds of a feather flock together' even the Democratic Vultures......That is exactly how this country got into the mess we are currently in over the last 7+ years.

Funny how you both seem to really believe the biased sources you rely on! Obama has carefully and completely taken command and control of all federal agencies that produce economic data including manipulation of interest rates by the Fed to drive a number of false highs in the stock market! Not to mention that by doing this all historically safe investments like CD's and Government Bonds have been worthless since he took office. These historically have been part of most retiree's investment portfolio's....

Obamacare is a financial failure, as planned! Continues to suck money out of Social Security, which already is on its last legs....

Obama though manipulation of the Border Control personnel has allowed hundreds of thousands of illegals into our country, it has actually become an undocumented invasion! They bring with them Terrorism, Disease, a lifetime of dependency, and a new voting block for the Democratic Party!

And for all you legitimate Sportsmen/ women, Hillary has repeatedly said if elected she will see that the Second Amendment (via Liberal Supreme Court Nominees) stopping gun violence. All your work with your dogs will be of no use because you will no longer be allowed to own guns.......................

The continuing failure of the Democratic Party is more obvious than it ever has been since Obama took office. Yet many of the idealogs continue to support the party regardless of how bad they have become............I fear none of your Liberal will wake up and see the truth until it is way to late. The German population went through this back in the 1930's...you might do a little research on how they all bought into a grossly Liberal Party.....many of the tactics are the same!

Nuff Said....I am moving on!

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by mnaj_springer » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:34 am

Timewise, you're all over the map. So much so that you contradict yourself. Since when have illegal immigrants been allowed to vote?!?!

Anyway, too much nonsense to address and my lunch break isn't that long (honestly I don't get a lunch break) so maybe I'll revisit this after work. And I'm not a democrat nor a republican. I vote for who is best at each level.
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Spy Car » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:03 pm

The enemy is easy to identify: He is blaze-orange with white eye-lids, and he's sold the nation out to the Russians.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by DougB » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:02 pm

Timewise65 wrote:DougB and M..springer.

'Birds of a feather flock together' even the Democratic Vultures......That is exactly how this country got into the mess we are currently in over the last 7+ years.

Funny how you both seem to really believe the biased sources you rely on! Obama has carefully and completely taken command and control of all federal agencies that produce economic data including manipulation of interest rates by the Fed to drive a number of false highs in the stock market! Not to mention that by doing this all historically safe investments like CD's and Government Bonds have been worthless since he took office. These historically have been part of most retiree's investment portfolio's....

Obamacare is a financial failure, as planned! Continues to suck money out of Social Security, which already is on its last legs....

Obama though manipulation of the Border Control personnel has allowed hundreds of thousands of illegals into our country, it has actually become an undocumented invasion! They bring with them Terrorism, Disease, a lifetime of dependency, and a new voting block for the Democratic Party!

And for all you legitimate Sportsmen/ women, Hillary has repeatedly said if elected she will see that the Second Amendment (via Liberal Supreme Court Nominees) stopping gun violence. All your work with your dogs will be of no use because you will no longer be allowed to own guns.......................

The continuing failure of the Democratic Party is more obvious than it ever has been since Obama took office. Yet many of the idealogs continue to support the party regardless of how bad they have become............I fear none of your Liberal will wake up and see the truth until it is way to late. The German population went through this back in the 1930's...you might do a little research on how they all bought into a grossly Liberal Party.....many of the tactics are the same!

Nuff Said....I am moving on!
Please tell me you see the irony in your response, as well as the lack of any kind of truth or evidence

Point-I don't support Hillery. I may vote for the Disney party. I never said that the Dems were superior or right. My opinions of Trump are based on abject fear of the man and what he could do when throwing a tantrum.

You seem to deliberately ignore every bit of evidence contrary to your beliefs, same as Trump. Then out come lots of unsubstantiated pseudo facts, that are shot down by substantiated facts. Same as Trump. Do you want a President that !) thinks he knows it all and needs no advice 2) with a documented history of screwing his business partners and 3) a history of flip flopping on important issues depending on what rumor he heard last.

I am backing out because this is going nowhere. It's the internet, and I feel no more need to correct anyone who is wrong.
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Ouzel » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:16 pm

Ezzy, do you get social security benefits? Are you on Medicare? You said you were 83, so I'm just wondering. I presume you're against both socialistic programs, or am I wrong? Did you ever get unemployment benefits? Are you lacking religious freedom?

You seem pretty sour on America. Do you know of another country that has more to offer yourself? Please be truthful.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by greg jacobs » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:23 pm

It's easy to find what one calls facts to support one's perception of the truth. The wisdom of the generation of entitlement gleaned from the age of the Internet.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by mnaj_springer » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:29 pm

greg jacobs wrote:It's easy to find what one calls facts to support one's perception of the truth. The wisdom of the generation of entitlement gleaned from the age of the Internet.
Which generation is that? And which generation do you hail from?
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Spy Car » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:45 pm

I'm hardly young, and never in all my days have I seen a candidate for the presidency of the United States encourage an unfriendly foreign government to engage in espionage against a political opponent in the United States.

I'm not easily shocked, but Donald J Trump has sunk to new lows.

He must never become the president.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by shags » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:03 pm

I'm hardly young either, and never in all my days have I seen a candidate for the presidency of the United States possibly enable an unfriendly foreign government to engage in espionage against the United States by using a private unsecured server for sensitive government emails.

I'm not easily shocked, but Hillary Rodham Clinton has sunk to new lows.

She must never become the president.

(you can do your own research on the q/a between Trey Gowdy and Mr. Comey if you need proof about the nature of her transgression)

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by greg jacobs » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:05 pm

Obviously not your generation.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by greg jacobs » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:10 pm

And thank God, none of my kids are Hillary supporters

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Spy Car » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:16 pm

And thank God mine isn't a Trumpist.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Spy Car » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:17 pm

shags wrote:I'm hardly young either, and never in all my days have I seen a candidate for the presidency of the United States possibly enable an unfriendly foreign government to engage in espionage against the United States by using a private unsecured server for sensitive government emails.

I'm not easily shocked, but Hillary Rodham Clinton has sunk to new lows.

She must never become the president.

(you can do your own research on the q/a between Trey Gowdy and Mr. Comey if you need proof about the nature of her transgression)
So you're OK with Trump encouraging Putin to engage in espionage against Americans?

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by mnaj_springer » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:26 pm

greg jacobs wrote:Obviously not your generation.
What's obviously not whose generation? You're leaving a lot up for interpretation. Maybe you mean "obviously your generation is not the generation of entitlement."
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by shags » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:39 pm

Spy Car wrote:
shags wrote:I'm hardly young either, and never in all my days have I seen a candidate for the presidency of the United States possibly enable an unfriendly foreign government to engage in espionage against the United States by using a private unsecured server for sensitive government emails.

I'm not easily shocked, but Hillary Rodham Clinton has sunk to new lows.

She must never become the president.

(you can do your own research on the q/a between Trey Gowdy and Mr. Comey if you need proof about the nature of her transgression)
So you're OK with Trump encouraging Putin to engage in espionage against Americans?

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So you're OK with Hillary exposing sensitive information to Putin among others?

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Spy Car » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:44 pm

shags wrote:
Spy Car wrote:
shags wrote:I'm hardly young either, and never in all my days have I seen a candidate for the presidency of the United States possibly enable an unfriendly foreign government to engage in espionage against the United States by using a private unsecured server for sensitive government emails.

I'm not easily shocked, but Hillary Rodham Clinton has sunk to new lows.

She must never become the president.

(you can do your own research on the q/a between Trey Gowdy and Mr. Comey if you need proof about the nature of her transgression)
So you're OK with Trump encouraging Putin to engage in espionage against Americans?

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So you're OK with Hillary exposing sensitive information to Putin among others?
You don't seem to be willing to answer the question. You must be ashamed.

I think HRC maintaining a server in her home was bad judgement.

Trump's call for Putin to spy on US citizens is in another class of behavior: it's treason.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by greg jacobs » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:24 pm

Hillary said she didn't have any classified emails on her server. So what is the problem with Russia releasing 30,000 deleted personal emails. If she was hacked it would have been before the deleting was done. What would that have been? A year ago?

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Timewise65 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:26 pm

A clear example of how the Liberal Media and Liberal in general take comments made by Republicans and lie about was actually said. Read all the comments above on Trumps comments on Russia and then Read a copy of his quote below! Taken off of the AP news report today!

Trumps exact quote, "Maybe the Russians could help us find Hillary's missing emails."

…the press core laughed out loud at this one! By the way Hillary has not held a press conference for over 3 months….??!!

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by greg jacobs » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:37 pm

Doesn't sound like treason to me.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by shags » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:51 pm

I think someone who is hardly young but who can't use a dictionary is the one who might be ashamed.

To call Mr. Trump's comment treason is laughable, and a desperate deflection from Hillary's problems.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by Spy Car » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:36 pm

Donald Trump is an embarrassment to the nation.

Mocking the disabled. Stoking racism and bigotry. Making unspeakable comments about women., including the daughter he's like to date if he wan't already married.

He lacks character. And is not the sort of person future generations should be looking to to serve as an example.

Shame on those who'd embrace his unprincipled demagogue. We are better than Donald Trump.

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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by greg jacobs » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:38 pm

Micheal Bloomberg on right now. The enemy of all gun owners!!!
Is Gloria Steinem coming up soon? The enemy of all unborn children!!!
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by ezzy333 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:54 pm

Spy Car wrote:
shags wrote:
shags wrote:I'm hardly young either, and never in all my days have I seen a candidate for the presidency of the United States possibly enable an unfriendly foreign government to engage in espionage against the United States by using a private unsecured server for sensitive government emails.

I'm not easily shocked, but Hillary Rodham Clinton has sunk to new lows.

She must never become the president.

(you can do your own research on the q/a between Trey Gowdy and Mr. Comey if you need proof about the nature of her transgression)
He didn't anyone to spy. He did ask for Putin to release a copy of all of the e-mails Hillary says she destroyed. Quite a difference.

So you're OK with Hillary exposing sensitive information to Putin among others?


You don't seem to be willing to answer the question. You must be ashamed.

I think HRC maintaining a server in her home was bad judgement.

Trump's call for Putin to spy on US citizens is in another class of behavior: it's treason.

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He did not ask Putin to spy. He did ask him to release a copy of the e-mails Hillary says she destroyed. Quite a difference
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Re: Identifying the Enemy

Post by greg jacobs » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:55 pm

So all you youtube experts. Is it true that the new world order Rothchild's had a 100,000 a plate fundraiser for Hilary.

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