. I am just wondering if anyone else has had this problem and if they found a way to get around them any better than I have. At this rate they will gone in a month. Any help is muchly appreciated.
original mngsp wrote:I have a friend that was convicted in Federal Court of killing brids of prey that were decimating his flight pens. There was a hefty fine and I think four years loss of hunting privledges of any kind.
jczv wrote: * Get more pigeons / a bigger coop. I started training in February when the migratory hawks are going through and lost a lot of birds - but they had also started reproducing. So even thought I had lost about 15 birds between February to April about 15 young birds had been born in that same period.
the short answer is - the ones that can't find enough food where they are during the winter3Britts wrote:jczv wrote: * Get more pigeons / a bigger coop. I started training in February when the migratory hawks are going through and lost a lot of birds - but they had also started reproducing. So even thought I had lost about 15 birds between February to April about 15 young birds had been born in that same period.
Just so I am clear. Which hawks are migratory?
Our's stay here year 'round.
- although the eagles will congregate around open water. Try this site http://www.hmana.org/species/species.ph ... a0dacc2231Think I missed this doomed part.I still it's nuts that people are telling this guy his loft is doomed
Wise choice.Duke82 wrote:Shooting that falcon would make me a very happy man, but I live right in town and that is not an option for me.
Wont say that I have ever done this but I cant disagree with him. 
I dont care if its ONE or ONE HUNDRED birds, to some this is our livelyhood and cant afford any.But if I have to keep them in all the time how are they going to become strong fliers? Does it come with age? Also how long do you think I should shut the loft up for, before the hawk looses interest?ohiogsp wrote:You don't have many options, really. You will not be allowed to trap this or any other hawk unless you are not caught or get a falconers permit. Good luck with that! The reason your birds are a target is because they are weak. Get enough birds and fly the heck out of them get them strong and the hawks won't even look at them. The other birds will be the targets then cause they will be easier meals. Once a hawk is getting meals consecutively from your loft you may have to just close it up for a litlle while to discourage it. I don't think your birds will get strong enough to out fly that hawk for a while. Time of day won't help you alot if the hawk is watching your loft. Anouther thing that is very important is not to let your birds sit out anytime. If they land they have to trap into the loft. If they land on a house or something throw a ball or something at it to make it fly. Feed after letting the birds out and whistle them back in when they land. Keep tehm hungry and you will have control over them. Good luck
P.S. I have had major hawk problems in the past.
I think that it is sad that a company is allowed to bring in an raptor of any kind to eliminate a pigeon problem on their property, only to have the raptor ignor the problem and kill the legal property of another person. Lets face it, if one of my dogs were to get loose and attack or kill my neighbor's rabbits, I would be legally responsible for the loss. The mill should be responsible for the loss of property its pet kills.Prairie Drifter wrote:I think that is sad that so many who otherwise purport themselves as conservationists and like to be seen as within the law would openly suggest that one of their group violate Federal law. Pigeons are not expensive or hard to find in most parts of the country. Unless you are in a particularly advanced part of your training, there are many ways on the training grounds to keep your pigeons from escaping that area. A few years back a field trialer of some prominence was caught violating this exact law. His sentence included a five figure fine, restitution, loss of hunting privileges, and he was ordered to take out a full page ad in a hunting magazine as a public service to others who might violate. It is rediculous to tarnish your own reputation along with all other hunters/dog owners repution over training pigeons. Don't do it, be innovative in your use of pigeons, and , from what I see here, be careful where you get advice. To a man/woman, we need to do better than this! The whole goal of our sport is to outsmart birds. This is just another bird. You can change the time you train. If the hawk isn't killing your birds where you train, card or tether your birds for awhile. Since hawks hunt where they have success, you need to break his string of successes. It may be just as easy as changing the direction you train from your roost. Good luck, and don't compromise all of our reputations to pursue the quickest/easiest solution. We, as hunters, have a hard enough time maintaining our image. WE are only as respected as the image of our weakest member.
Good luck. I have a lot of hawks in my area, but only a couple missing pigeons in the last 6 months. Can't imagine how frustrating it is. Denise
Good for you.Prairie Drifter wrote:I think that is sad that so many who otherwise purport themselves as conservationists and like to be seen as within the law would openly suggest that one of their group violate Federal law. Pigeons are not expensive or hard to find in most parts of the country. Unless you are in a particularly advanced part of your training, there are many ways on the training grounds to keep your pigeons from escaping that area. A few years back a field trialer of some prominence was caught violating this exact law. His sentence included a five figure fine, restitution, loss of hunting privileges, and he was ordered to take out a full page ad in a hunting magazine as a public service to others who might violate. It is rediculous to tarnish your own reputation along with all other hunters/dog owners repution over training pigeons. Don't do it, be innovative in your use of pigeons, and , from what I see here, be careful where you get advice. To a man/woman, we need to do better than this! The whole goal of our sport is to outsmart birds. This is just another bird. You can change the time you train. If the hawk isn't killing your birds where you train, card or tether your birds for awhile. Since hawks hunt where they have success, you need to break his string of successes. It may be just as easy as changing the direction you train from your roost. Good luck, and don't compromise all of our reputations to pursue the quickest/easiest solution. We, as hunters, have a hard enough time maintaining our image. WE are only as respected as the image of our weakest member.
gotta do.snips wrote:The laws putting them on the endangered species list and to protect them are WAY outdated, just like many other things. I was watching a show the other nite about the protected Grizzely bears in Yellowstone and now they are reeking havoc in towns, private homes and cattle. I guess a couple of yrs ago they finally realized it was overdo to reinstate hunting. Seems all the rangers were doing was catching them and releasing them other places. Too many people :roll: Kinda sad for the animals. But ya' do what ya'
pulling a camper A listed falcon? What kind of falcon are we talking about? The Perigrine Falcon was delisted around 1999 so the ESA is not outdated in this case. Most raptors are protected not by the ESA, but mostly by the Migratory bird Act. States often have raptors list as protected, which doesn't mean they are endangered or threatened.snips wrote:The laws putting them on the endangered species list and to protect them are WAY outdated, just like many other things. I was watching a show the other nite about the protected Grizzely bears in Yellowstone and now they are reeking havoc in towns, private homes and cattle. I guess a couple of yrs ago they finally realized it was overdo to reinstate hunting. Seems all the rangers were doing was catching them and releasing them other places. Too many people :roll: Kinda sad for the animals. But ya' do what ya'
we are allowed to take does on many places tho with proper tags and guns.
