Rant
Rant
Ok, so I was out on a hunt this weekend with several groups of guys. One guy had a a red lab that from the minute he hit the ground he was spoiling for a fight. After know provacation he jumped on another hunters GSP. We broke them up. The owner of the Lab never apologized or offered to put the dog up. We all loaded our dogs into the boxes and went to the next field. Upon unloading the red lab jumped on another GSP. Again the guy never offered anything to improve the situation.
I just want to say that if you have an aggresive dog and you cant controle the animal. Keep the animal at home to guard your house.
I just want to say that if you have an aggresive dog and you cant controle the animal. Keep the animal at home to guard your house.
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After seeing what happened in the first field I wouldn't have hunted with them in the second field if that dog was down.
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brad27 wrote:After seeing what happened in the first field I wouldn't have hunted with them in the second field if that dog was down.
+1 and maybe break up the dogs up by pitting my foot across the aggressive dogs face.
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The first fight was unexpected, the second entirely the fault of every dog owner there. Why on earth would you put dogs down a second time with that mutt?
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He**fire should have rained down on that dog after the first encounter. Putting that dog on the ground again with another dog just wasn't a good idea.
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So nobody said anything to this guy? They just continued to hunt with him? Ummm....not gonna happen with my dogs on the ground! I don't hunt with people who are lax with gun safety and I don't hunt with aggressive dogs (at least mine would stay in the box if he wouldn't put his in the box). Maybe it happens once, but it surely wouldn't happen a second time. When it comes to safety, people ought to speak out instead of letting things go.
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I saw another dog muzzled in a place where I was training. I didn't think much of it and assumed the owner would move on down the lake
Not to be . I was checking out my dog's foot and that dog ran and hit both of us flat. So aggressive that even with a muzzle it wanted to attack. I had a few "suggestions' for the owner. She said, ' He's much better after a swim." Some folks can't bring themselves to believe that their dog has a serious problem. Sad.
Not to be . I was checking out my dog's foot and that dog ran and hit both of us flat. So aggressive that even with a muzzle it wanted to attack. I had a few "suggestions' for the owner. She said, ' He's much better after a swim." Some folks can't bring themselves to believe that their dog has a serious problem. Sad.
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Dog hits me muzzle or not its gonna be the last day it breathes....
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Sounds impressive but I can hear the rant if someone did that to your dog. There is such a thing as common sense and everyone needs a little.ultracarry wrote:Dog hits me muzzle or not its gonna be the last day it breathes....
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Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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+2. I don't understand why the rest of the hunters didn't tell the guy to keep him mutt kenneled or go home.Cajun Casey wrote:The first fight was unexpected, the second entirely the fault of every dog owner there. Why on earth would you put dogs down a second time with that mutt?
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This guy must have been the pack leader and the rest were scared to say something I hunt with a friend who has a male which is aggressive to other male dogs. We discuss which dogs we would like to run and when his male is on the ground it is always with one or two of my females. Works for us.gonehuntin' wrote:+2. I don't understand why the rest of the hunters didn't tell the guy to keep him mutt kenneled or go home.Cajun Casey wrote:The first fight was unexpected, the second entirely the fault of every dog owner there. Why on earth would you put dogs down a second time with that mutt?
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I believe the people I run my dog with would not put an aggressive dog in the ground especially with other dogs down. Common sense does go a long way and an owner should put the dog down before someone gets hurt. There is a huge difference between a dog that barks and acts mean and one that's truly aggressive.ezzy333 wrote:Sounds impressive but I can hear the rant if someone did that to your dog. There is such a thing as common sense and everyone needs a little.ultracarry wrote:Dog hits me muzzle or not its gonna be the last day it breathes....
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ultracarry wrote:Dog hits me muzzle or not its gonna be the last day it breathes....
LOL This reminds me of the conversations I have with the guys in jail --- just kidding.
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Exactly.Cajun Casey wrote:The first fight was unexpected, the second entirely the fault of every dog owner there. Why on earth would you put dogs down a second time with that mutt?
Putting that dog down again was asking for a problem.
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Wired wrote:This guy must have been the pack leader and the rest were scared to say something I hunt with a friend who has a male which is aggressive to other male dogs. We discuss which dogs we would like to run and when his male is on the ground it is always with one or two of my females. Works for us.[b]gonehuntin[/b]' wrote:+2. I don't understand why the rest of the hunters didn't tell the guy to keep him mutt kenneled or go home.Cajun Casey wrote:The first fight was unexpected, the second entirely the fault of every dog owner there. Why on earth would you put dogs down a second time with that mutt?
Too funny but oh so true in life.
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Had this happen t ome once, I had my young nephew along this guy picks up his 1 year old setter pup and body slammed it on the ground cause it was locked up on a bird and didnt come when he called it.
We went our own way, just the two of us. Was the way we hunted after that.
We went our own way, just the two of us. Was the way we hunted after that.
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I don't see the similarity in the two situations...markj wrote:Had this happen t ome once, I had my young nephew along this guy picks up his 1 year old setter pup and body slammed it on the ground cause it was locked up on a bird and didnt come when he called it.
We went our own way, just the two of us. Was the way we hunted after that.
I have English Pointers because they don't ever grow up either...
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Both dogs had bad handlers, which led to an unpleasant hunting exp.don't see the similarity in the two situations...
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markj wrote:Both dogs had bad handlers, which led to an unpleasant hunting exp.don't see the similarity in the two situations...
I was completely looking at the dogs... I'm smart like that sometimes.
I have English Pointers because they don't ever grow up either...
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Always thought there were two kinds of "attitudes" a dog could have. When a dog is controllable, puts on the strut and attitude but knocks it off when I call or correct the dog...that's tolerable but will continue to be a management problem.
The dog that goes for broke and will not respond is not a dog I want to keep and can't really be sold/placed responsibly in today's litigious society. A meeting with Mr. Winchester is sadly the best resolution.
The dog that goes for broke and will not respond is not a dog I want to keep and can't really be sold/placed responsibly in today's litigious society. A meeting with Mr. Winchester is sadly the best resolution.
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Yep. He shoulda been whupped. If his dog got after mine I sure woulda had a fine word or two on the dogs training or lack thereof.IMO the owner of the agressive dog is more to blame then the dog
Dog needs to be socialized, something many folks dont understand. Dogs need to be aware that other dogs are out there but are not a threat to him.
Gee, now I sound like that sicko dog whisperer idiot.....
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I bet that is not far off Brenda.snips wrote:That guy prob went home and told his buddies his dog whipped the other dogs asses, with his chest stuck out :roll:
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Socialization does nothing for an offensive aggressive dog except reinforce his or her behavior. Most owners are not sharp enough to see the cues between dogs and when an aggressive dog offers a threatening gesture or expression and the target dog backs down, the damage is done before a correction can be made.markj wrote:Yep. He shoulda been whupped. If his dog got after mine I sure woulda had a fine word or two on the dogs training or lack thereof.IMO the owner of the agressive dog is more to blame then the dog
Dog needs to be socialized, something many folks dont understand. Dogs need to be aware that other dogs are out there but are not a threat to him.
Gee, now I sound like that sicko dog whisperer idiot.....
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I could not agree more. The aggressive dog should be dealt with well before they start T-boning another dog.Cajun Casey wrote: Socialization does nothing for an offensive aggressive dog except reinforce his or her behavior. Most owners are not sharp enough to see the cues between dogs and when an aggressive dog offers a threatening gesture or expression and the target dog backs down, the damage is done before a correction can be made.
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Unfortunately, the lack of standing up to this guy will probably result in another dog attacked and possibly a hurt dog. It is your responsibility as an owner to take care of this. It sucks but any one of you should have stepped up and said something. I would not have made the same mistake twice. I would not hunt with this guy again nor would I have a problem explaining why.
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If I was there my dog would have not gotten out of the box in the second field! I may not be able to control the other hunter and his dog but I can at least keep mine safe. Not to mention I wouldn't have my pionting dog down on the ground with a lab anyway unless the lab was just retrieving birds and in complete control.
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Not only would my dog not have gotten out of the box at the second field, I can guarantee you I would not have gone to the second field. I have bird dogs and bird hunt because I enjoy it. If I wanted to deal with a** holes Id go with my wife to horse shows.....
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