Nice looking dogs.ElhewPointer wrote:
Hunted this guy in North Dakota and Texas. Multiple Champion.
Bring the best Bitch of the bunch on out. Youve got an open invite.
I promise I will be cordial.
Nice looking dogs.ElhewPointer wrote:
Hunted this guy in North Dakota and Texas. Multiple Champion.
You guys keep arguing Doug inspired me to go fishing!!!!!DGFavor wrote:Cripes, I been runner up there 3 times!! Always a bridesmaid!!come run in the Region 9 SD CH in Idaho, its ran on wild birds. In fact Dgfavor took runner up with his GSP, that he hunts like 4 times a week with!
It's the only way I've figured out to have even a sliver of credibility on the WWW!! In fact today while I was out goofin' I was figuring when I got home I'd submit a picture post for this thread with Ch Bugs and Ch Trixie retrieving huns, chuks, quail, phez and sharps from about 5 different states and pictures of being in the winner's circle in ID, WA, OR, UT, MT, WY, AZ, and KS but instead decided I'd post a couple of the pics my wife snapped today of me workin' on tanning the top of my head!! While you fellars wuz in here hashin' this one out, I was workin' on buildin' up the callus' on my hands workin' the sticks of the drift boat!!1. Doug always post the best pictures.
Yup, they fish too...but can't row the boat for squat!!
A) I didn't say it wasn't a real hunting situation. I said it was the one I hunt in. The point I was getting across is your hunting situation isnt the only kind so quit acting like it. You don't want to go hunt on others home turf because you'd be embarrassed, but you challenge everyone to hunt on yours. Again, you'd embarrass yourself and your dog in my country.BillThomas wrote:You have an open invitation. its How MOST of America Hunts on the Most Popular gamebird IN America.romeo212000 wrote: A) I think you'd be surprised how wrong you'd be. Mine are foot hunting dogs and an intelligent dog will adjust to the situation. .
And same conditions. Lots of cover.
Ive never insisted I own the best dog for Southern Quail, Western Chukar or Prarir birds, I live in OH remember?) it's become apparent that your standard is the only standard huh? You want to bring other dogs to your element, but you wouldn't dare set foot in theirs huh?
Most of the country hunts like I do and the cover I do.
If hunting phez, in cover, isnt a real hunting situation on wild and liberated birds and ducks later in the day on the river or the lake, I dont know what is.C) You keep talking about bringing them to a real hunting situation. What you described sounds nothing like my hunting situations. Try bringing your dog to my sand hills and wide open rag weed flats. I et you'd be embarrassed for yourself and your dog. But hey, if we hit a deer with the truck you could have your "bird dog" track it.
Some of your own advice might suit you real well.You really need to stop. You don't realize what an a$$ you're making of yourself.
So this dog won the trial?BillThomas wrote:True.Wyndancer wrote:By anybody's definition of a "find" other than your own.....you didn't "outfound" the other dog.BillThomas wrote: We bested the best dog there, outfound him 3 to 2, though bird 3 was a wild flush, out of bounds and not counted.
Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda...
But matching the best and this close to outfinding was personally rewarding for the owner of a pig chasing, ugly dog.
So is this some sort of actually recognized event, or is it a made for TV promotional game to make money for the organizers?BillThomas wrote:[
The TOP lab trialers in the World Retrieving Series (SRS) are majority UKC Hunt Test dogs, Not Trial dogs.
Sort of blows that theory out of the water, huh?
Because there is no objective that should be driving the dog there, we were in a bowl with ridges on both sides and rocks/trees etc that were great objectives that I would want a dog to hit. No real reason to be 50 yards in front quartering in the horse path. Good bird planters should eliminate that problem, there should be very few if any birds planted in the horse path.ezzy333 wrote:I understand what you are saying but how do you fault a dog that pointed the birds in the horse path if that is where they were. Should it just ignore those, run over them, or what? The dog did exactly what I would want any good dog to do, find the birds, point the birds, and handle them when I get there.Elkhunter wrote:No, and here is the reason why. In a lot of trials we lack the wild birds to have consistent trials on wild birds solely. So we have to plant birds so that we have bird work, then you bring in lazy bird planters that plant birds in the horse path instead of on the edges or objectives to reward dogs that cast out towards promising areas. Perfect example I ran in a derby about a year and a half ago, my EP went birdless but was on the edges OFF the horse path hitting objectives that he normally finds wild birds on. He was never in the horse path but searching out to likely objectives. Bad thing was there were no birds planted outside the horse path. My brace mate a young brittany had like 6 finds, 50 yards in front of the horse never leaving the horse path. So in reality he found more birds than me, but I would not take that dog over mine any day in the chukar hills. But lets say my dog did have one find on the edge at a likely objective and showed desire and range through out the brace and was hitting the spots he was supposed too, I would expect him to place over the dog that found 5 birds in the horse path. JMOGeneral question to ALL....would it be fair to say that trialers would be happier when there is LESS game on the course??? But, if a dog finds too much game. wouldn't that be evidence of a dogs ability as a game finder??? Maybe the dog wouldn't be able to get rolling..but it surely couldn't be criticized for passing game by.
In a wild bird trial I would obviously want my dog to find as many as possible!
Ezzy
No dog is faulted for finding a bird, but the circumstances surrounding that find will determine the degree of credit the dog will get for making the find. I would hope that even as hunters we could agree that we do not regard all bird finds as equal.Elkhunter wrote:Because there is no objective that should be driving the dog there, we were in a bowl with ridges on both sides and rocks/trees etc that were great objectives that I would want a dog to hit. No real reason to be 50 yards in front quartering in the horse path. Good bird planters should eliminate that problem, there should be very few if any birds planted in the horse path.ezzy333 wrote:I understand what you are saying but how do you fault a dog that pointed the birds in the horse path if that is where they were. Should it just ignore those, run over them, or what? The dog did exactly what I would want any good dog to do, find the birds, point the birds, and handle them when I get there.Elkhunter wrote: No, and here is the reason why. In a lot of trials we lack the wild birds to have consistent trials on wild birds solely. So we have to plant birds so that we have bird work, then you bring in lazy bird planters that plant birds in the horse path instead of on the edges or objectives to reward dogs that cast out towards promising areas. Perfect example I ran in a derby about a year and a half ago, my EP went birdless but was on the edges OFF the horse path hitting objectives that he normally finds wild birds on. He was never in the horse path but searching out to likely objectives. Bad thing was there were no birds planted outside the horse path. My brace mate a young brittany had like 6 finds, 50 yards in front of the horse never leaving the horse path. So in reality he found more birds than me, but I would not take that dog over mine any day in the chukar hills. But lets say my dog did have one find on the edge at a likely objective and showed desire and range through out the brace and was hitting the spots he was supposed too, I would expect him to place over the dog that found 5 birds in the horse path. JMO
In a wild bird trial I would obviously want my dog to find as many as possible!
Ezzy
The problem we have here is those darn birds do not stay where we put them. We try to have cover for them but they get bumped and pushed around from all of the activity and you never know where you will find them. Some are probably native birds since they all like an open place to land in so they can run and hide. And then the dog runs by heading for an objective, smells birds and points. Doesn't even realize those birds are in the horse path and should be ignored. Gotta feel sorry for the dog. I've had it happen several times.Because there is no objective that should be driving the dog there, we were in a bowl with ridges on both sides and rocks/trees etc that were great objectives that I would want a dog to hit. No real reason to be 50 yards in front quartering in the horse path. Good bird planters should eliminate that problem, there should be very few if any birds planted in the horse path.
Almost but not quite, I didn't get enticed into the fray.birddogger wrote:These threads are hilarious but I will give Bill or whom ever he is credit, IMO, he has accomplished exactly what he set out to do .
Charlie
slistoe wrote:So this dog won the trial?
slistoe wrote:So is this some sort of actually recognized event, or is it a made for TV promotional game to make money for the organizers?
Its the kind the majority of upland hunters take part in across America, and what I do the most of as well.romeo212000 wrote: A) I didn't say it wasn't a real hunting situation. I said it was the one I hunt in. The point I was getting across is your hunting situation isnt the only kind so quit acting like it.
.
Dude, Im running a soon to be 11 yr old dog, near death.You don't want to go hunt on others home turf because you'd be embarrassed, but you challenge everyone to hunt on yours. Again, you'd embarrass yourself and your dog in my country.
If your state was wiped out like mine was, you would.B) I don't hunt on liberated birds. Lol at you thinking there's much difference between liberated birds and tame birds.
Heres a Newsflash for you.C) you assume most of the country hunts like you do shows just how little you know and how narrow minded you are.
I said Nice LOOKING dogs, Not nice Hunting dogs.ElhewPointer wrote:My time and money towards my dogs will be spent putting them infront of people who's opinion matters. But thanks for the offer.
1980s in the Big 10 for IU and then to a MAC school, that ran a West Coast Offense.Ron R wrote:Bill, what college did you play for and what years were your there?
.
I was not real versed in how to beat a good dog, but I think that our strategy worked very well.I don't really want to be involved with this conversation but if I just put 2 birds on the card during a NSTRA trial I am mad/not happy/disgusted regardless of who I was braced against.
We can all see you are still on medication.BillThomas wrote:1980s in the Big 10 for IU and then to a MAC school, that ran a West Coast Offense.Ron R wrote:Bill, what college did you play for and what years were your there?
.
2 weeks after I transferred, they brought in an O coordinator to run the I, which is why I left IU.
I wanted and hoped to get a Pro look with the West Coast O.
So I made the best of it, medicated myself alot from the pain, and did alot of blocking.
I was not real versed in how to beat a good dog, but I think that our strategy worked very well.I don't really want to be involved with this conversation but if I just put 2 birds on the card during a NSTRA trial I am mad/not happy/disgusted regardless of who I was braced against.
I wont give it away for a host of reasons.
But we were 2 vs 2 going down the stretch and my dog was on the way to bird 3, before it flushed wild out of bounds.
I didnt run to win, to compete or prove anything. I ran to have fun and I did. I enjoyed it.
Next time, Ill make sure my dog empties her bowls before running, we lost valuable time.
Yes, the liquid variety.ElhewPointer wrote: We can all see you are still on medication.
OK, you only had a question and I had a comment but he didn't need either one of us.BigShooter wrote:Almost but not quite, I didn't get enticed into the fray.birddogger wrote:These threads are hilarious but I will give Bill or whom ever he is credit, IMO, he has accomplished exactly what he set out to do .
Charlie
I used to have Two Game Balls.BillThomas wrote:I didnt think was being a blowhard, if it was true.romeo212000 wrote: If thats not bragging I don't know what is. You're an even bigger blowhard than I thought. .
Did I mention that I was 3rd on the team in receptions, and have 2 game balls?
I never said we were championship caliber, but that we could run against the best there, make a darn fine showing, and compete for the most finds, with ALOT of good titled and proven dogs.Also, you placing so much emphasis on a single insignificant run against a good dog shows just how little you actually know about that venue.
Lots of dogs can go find a couple of birds against a good dog. Plenty of them will never sniff a championship.
And we did just that. And I never even read the rule book.
I know what the SRS is, just wondering if you did since you want to mention it so many times. But I guess you don'tBillThomas wrote:slistoe wrote:So is this some sort of actually recognized event, or is it a made for TV promotional game to make money for the organizers?
Not sure.
SRS is known as the top Retriever Test, the most extreme test there is.
Features Quads, Long blinds out to 300-400 meters etc. And its run as a Trial.
Here is video of it..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCGpn820OI0
Sweet!! Inspired myself to go tomorrow as well!!You guys keep arguing Doug inspired me to go fishing!!!!!
looks like you got sucked inBigShooter wrote:BillThomas, footballer from Ohio with a DD. Birddogz, doctor from Ohio, ND, Nebraska and a bunch of other places with a DD. The rhetoric is the same (in some cases identical). Starting arguments just to enjoy the witty repartee. It's apparent you derive energy from this activity and you've successfully manipulated a bunch of suckers into feeding a troll. Congratulations.
Now I understand why Bugs and Trixie have more RU's than anything....'Ol Doug lacks focusDGFavor wrote:Sweet!! Inspired myself to go tomorrow as well!!You guys keep arguing Doug inspired me to go fishing!!!!!
That's entertainment!! Womens rollerderby was also a favorite.Chukar12 wrote:I prefer women's beach volleyball...but again, to each his or her own...BillThomas wrote:For clarification sake, I dont like subjective contests.
I prefer watching the Worlds Strongest Man or Powerlifting matches, to watching Bodybuilding contests.
Or Olympic decathalons over bodybuilding shows, with Tangible and objective Rules, as in the fastest, strongest, quickest, highest jumping, running, shotputting, discus throwing, pole vaulting, hurdling contestant wins.
I can't deny that!! I gotta give Trixie her due though - she typically either wins the whole enchilada...or she totally sucks and takes herself out. I did let her down at the Reg. 14 SD Ch last month - I flushed a big 'ol cackling rooster right in her face and over her head, she spun then hopped and we went home!! In my feeble mind I was wading in to roust out a cooperative little sharpie that would leisurely cluck it's way over the horizon and Trixie and I would continue on our path to the top of the podium - freaking ditch parrot didn't have the sense to fly away from danger!!Now I understand why Bugs and Trixie have more RU's than anything....'Ol Doug lacks focus
So...runnin' a little late then are we?just got word my fishin' partner has her hair done just right for the day