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Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby Stoneface » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:22 am

I worked with a Lab trainer in the area for awhile and he specialized in test/trial dogs. He was very good at what he did and would send dogs for 300, 400, 500 yard blind retrieves. Pretty neat stuff. Stop the dog at 300 yards to cast him over 100 yards then back. Impressive. But, all this got me to wondering about what a typical HUNTER expects from a trainer?

In my experience, if I were a retriever guy and sent a dog to the trainer, if I got the dog back trained for retrieves at 100 yards, blind and marked, and sharp on hand signals at that range, I think I'd be happy. And I wouldn't mind if the dog moved over about ten foot to skirt the bank of a pond instead of taking the line straight through the water.Does the typical HUNTER expect his hunting dog to come out trained to trial/test levels or are they not so demanding and more willing to accept dogs with training like what I described in this second paragraph?

Our family dog is a working Malinois that was fixed when we found out she had hip displaysia. She's still one driven sonofagun, though. She'll sit by my side, watch birds come in, quivering, stay through the shot then break out after the birds on command. I can stop her and send her in different directions and she'll even do blind retrieves to a certain extent. This is all without formal training, just playing fetch with her in the yard and directing her to balls she can't find in the high grass. But, while I'm much more of an upland guy, I don't believe I've ever pushed her to 100 yards. It just makes 500 yards seem a kind of extreme.
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby Stoneface » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:22 am

Seriously? No body? With Labs being as popular as they are, I'm sure someone has some insite.
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby High Voltage » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:30 am

I remember a 300+ blind retrieve our pointing lab had to make on a duck. She was retrieving another duck when this one was hot so she never saw it. The duck was winged & glided over the dike out of sight but we could tell it went down. We sent her & climb the dike to "direct" her. She was trained by us & we had never done a retrieve that long with her. She had to dive under to get the duck but she got it. Guess my point is you never know how long of a retrieve your going to need unless your a dead shot everytime :wink:
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby Garrison » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:05 pm

Stoneface wrote:Seriously? No body? With Labs being as popular as they are, I'm sure someone has some insite.


Maybe people are tired of playing 21 questions! Seriously!
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby Cajun Casey » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:08 pm

Garrison wrote:
Stoneface wrote:Seriously? No body? With Labs being as popular as they are, I'm sure someone has some insite.


Maybe people are tired of playing 21 questions! Seriously!

Seriously.
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby nikegundog » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:53 pm

Stoneface wrote:In my experience, if I were a retriever guy and sent a dog to the trainer, if I got the dog back trained for retrieves at 100 yards, blind and marked, and sharp on hand signals at that range, I think I'd be happy. And I wouldn't mind if the dog moved over about ten foot to skirt the bank of a pond instead of taking the line straight through the water.Does the typical HUNTER expect his hunting dog to come out trained to trial/test levels or are they not so demanding and more willing to accept dogs with training like what I described in this second paragraph?

Trial and tests levels are totally different levels in retrievers, what you discribed as "running 100yd blinds and marks, sharp on hand signals" is training to a hunt test level.
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby Cajun Casey » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:01 pm

nikegundog wrote:
Stoneface wrote:In my experience, if I were a retriever guy and sent a dog to the trainer, if I got the dog back trained for retrieves at 100 yards, blind and marked, and sharp on hand signals at that range, I think I'd be happy. And I wouldn't mind if the dog moved over about ten foot to skirt the bank of a pond instead of taking the line straight through the water.Does the typical HUNTER expect his hunting dog to come out trained to trial/test levels or are they not so demanding and more willing to accept dogs with training like what I described in this second paragraph?

Trial and tests levels are totally different levels in retrievers, what you discribed as "running 100yd blinds and marks, sharp on hand signals" is training to a hunt test level.

Regardless, the training is founded in safety and ethics before being taken to a precision performance level. You don't want slop around a bunch of waterfowlers and game recovery is tough sometimes.
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby Stoneface » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:11 pm

Garrison wrote:
Stoneface wrote:Seriously? No body? With Labs being as popular as they are, I'm sure someone has some insite.


Maybe people are tired of playing 21 questions! Seriously!


Heck, I passed 21 a long time ago. :)
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Re: Hunting Retriever Expectations.

Postby MO_GSP » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:39 pm

In high school I worked for a guy that trained labs and they were very impressive, several of them could go beyond 500 yards but back then to me it was more of a job and I retained very little, such a wasted opportunity. I loved the dogs and training but we clashed heads too much after all I was in high school playing 3 sports and trying to work 2 jobs I could only offer him so much time and that wasn't what he needed :(
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