heck I dont know if I kill 27 birds in a season!
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without a 20 pic photo essay bragging about your accomplishment, then did this really happen?Elkhunter wrote:27 birds over possession is a little egregious IMO.
heck I dont know if I kill 27 birds in a season!Though I did kill 5 huns yesterday.
I'm sorry, but if you have been under investigation for two years, odds are you are guilty. They wouldn't waste that much time or effort for something trivial.bobman wrote:I've hunted with Roy and nothing in this thread said about him is true. What we have here is a jealous local lying thru his teeth about a good man. Roy is the farthest thing from a game hog i ever known he won't shoot even a bird that volunteers up on its own or even one his dogs don't handle properly. I've watched him let them fly without even lifting his gun.
His only motivation for killing a bird is to reward one of his dogs for a job done properly. The claim he's a poacher is ridiculous and anyone that been on UJ knows the OP is lying about Brad and those two so called "accomplices that supposedly fled the raid". Anyone thats a regular on UJ can easily figure out who those "accomplices" are and should know darn well they would never break any game laws and definitely aren't there to shoot limits.
The over possession limit thing has a lot to do with refrigeration and friends he was helping out and that's all i will say about that.
That campground is packed with hunters open week of pheasant season then mostly empty for the rest of the season. I go the middle of the second week and Roys camper and mine were the only two there, we hunted for a week and never saw another group of bird hunters.
The only thing he's really guilty of is not properly storing birds in his refrigerator with wings and feet on them, however he labels both the type of bird and the date in each so he sure isn't trying to hide anything.
Lastly possession limits don't have anything to do with how long you can stay in a state they are simply a number nothing more or less, a non residents license is good for the entire season with the exact same priveledges as the resident license.
Residents don't end their season with one possession limit they eat them and then go back out hunting, non residents have the exact same option if they are retired and have the time.
I doubt it, Ive seen you shoot...... oh wait you have an o/u now so maybe... JK JoshElkhunter wrote:27 birds over possession is a little egregious IMO.
heck I dont know if I kill 27 birds in a season!Though I did kill 5 huns yesterday.
Roysetters got caught doing something wrong and we all know that now. So he does what the court says and pays the piper.QuillGordon wrote:Moonshine Ike, although Roysetters side of the story would be almost as interesting as his boasting posts, I would like to read how Brad has rubbed u wrong?
I believe you are. If you cook them and eat them that day, your fine. If you save them overbite you have destroyed proof of species and sex. Same as if your fishing.blanked wrote:So from a learning point. If I am camping and cook birds that I intend to eat the following day and the warden finds the cook birds in my cooler am I guilty for removing the identfication
Yes. A group of my hunting party got dinged for this. We had leftover ducks in wild rice from the night before, and put it in the lunch cooler. At the game stop, the wardens did write a ticket.blanked wrote:So from a learning point. If I am camping and cook birds that I intend to eat the following day and the warden finds the cook birds in my cooler am I guilty for removing the identfication
JONOV wrote:Yes. A group of my hunting party got dinged for this. We had leftover ducks in wild rice from the night before, and put it in the lunch cooler. At the game stop, the wardens did write a ticket.blanked wrote:So from a learning point. If I am camping and cook birds that I intend to eat the following day and the warden finds the cook birds in my cooler am I guilty for removing the identfication
HOWEVER, another time that same group got visited by both ND and Federal Wardens, and the state Warden wanted to count ducks in marinade for that evenings dinner, and the Fed warden said they didn't count. They didn't get any tickets that time.
Throw common sense right out the window....it's not so common anymore. It's all about authority and generating a dollar. These days it seem's less and less about protecting the resource. Maybe I'm wrong??ezzy333 wrote:I was always told one the bird is cooked it is just meat.. Seems that would make sense but maybe that is the problem
I've been gone South hunting Carbon Co. which is the only home to a certain species of game bird in Montana.QuillGordon wrote:
Mountaineer, I have a hard time following you.......must be a bunch of secret code in your postsMountaineer wrote:I assume that possession limits are more about the ease of prosecution of poachers than protection of a resource.
There are far better ways to protect than setting limits.
While some wardens might cut a very fine line with the law, it must be a tough job and good job to them in being successful or not.
Most of us do our best to remain lawful.
All apart from this "Roy" issue and why some get all giggly in the gig.
Just misinformedThat wasn't very nice, Thom
That's ok.....I could try poetry or an essay but that might not be understood or accepted either.Moonshine Ike wrote:Mountaineer, I have a hard time following you.......must be a bunch of secret code in your posts
Why not?Sharon wrote:I don't think we should talk about other forums on here.
Bob man, If you are not at your permanent residence in any state, and a motorhome does not count as a permanent residence, the possession limit must be followed, in addition proof of identification must be attached and if you are storing others birds you must have a proxy statement with specific information on number, species and sex if there are limitations on sex. If he had both the pheasant and sharptail limits that means he had 52 birds in storage, counting his "bonus birds" In some states possession limits count at point of residence too. I can't believe he didn't understand the regs. It's one of the basic things taught in all Hunter ED classes. He'll have the opportunity to take one of those classes. I also think you have some nerve in your earlier post blaming the locals.bobman wrote:Cody, I don't see where you and I are in any disagreement ??
My point was simply possession limits are not a message to non residents to go home when they are reached. If you eat them and are retired and have the time you can continue to do so all season long, same as a resident.
I believe you don't know Roy because if you did you would know for certain there is more to this story. Roy did screw up but not in the way it looks.
At the same game stop, we've gotten into urinary olympiads about Bird Identification. There were several younger wardens writing tickets for too many hens that we knew were immature drakes. They called in their "expert" to confirm and he walked by and didn't even stop to look at them closely telling them "immature drakes, check out the bills." They had the paperwork complete, just waiting to send him on his way. The difference between the wardens that check us in the field and the guys at the game stops is night and day.CWT wrote:If I got a ticket for either one of those I'd would be livid!
JONOV wrote:Yes. A group of my hunting party got dinged for this. We had leftover ducks in wild rice from the night before, and put it in the lunch cooler. At the game stop, the wardens did write a ticket.blanked wrote:So from a learning point. If I am camping and cook birds that I intend to eat the following day and the warden finds the cook birds in my cooler am I guilty for removing the identfication
HOWEVER, another time that same group got visited by both ND and Federal Wardens, and the state Warden wanted to count ducks in marinade for that evenings dinner, and the Fed warden said they didn't count. They didn't get any tickets that time.
gonehuntin' wrote:No, you don't have to shoot them in the first place if you can't utilize them.
You are not entitled to anything. You are permitted to kill upto 3 birds a day as long as you do not exceed 12 in your possession.Vision wrote:gonehuntin' wrote:No, you don't have to shoot them in the first place if you can't utilize them.
But, but, but, but the proclamation says I'm entitled to shoot 3 per day and have 12 in my possession. Because I paid my money I have to get my money's worth.
I hope you know I was being sarcastic.ezzy333 wrote:You are not entitled to anything. You are permitted to kill upto 3 birds a day as long as you do not exceed 12 in your possession.Vision wrote:gonehuntin' wrote:No, you don't have to shoot them in the first place if you can't utilize them.
But, but, but, but the proclamation says I'm entitled to shoot 3 per day and have 12 in my possession. Because I paid my money I have to get my money's worth.
That was pretty obvious to most.Vision wrote:
I hope you know I was being sarcastic.
It was amazing to lurk over there and see 2 different threads that ran about 12 pages each on this subject. Sadly, most of those people on that site were trying to justify the over limit. Hot Spotters Journal has become the laughing stock on the interwebs and most of those guys don't have the gumption to go out and find game on their own without help with gps coords and hot spotting from the net. That place and probably no other place on the net is a place where you should be spilling the beans. There are many parasitic lurkers that are more than happy to descend upon a region and kill and - or harass them <birds> allHUNTS wrote:Glad to see this guy get his comeuppance. I have been a member of UJ for 7 years and I am sick of old Roy's posts about how he saw "thousands" of pheasants here", etc. Glad he is is banned for 2 yrs. UJ's owner protects his contributing members from the riff-raff. Any criticism of his big donors gets "post holed" immediately. Quite a few of the members believe, and post, that they should be able to camp out all season and that limits are unfair to them. Game hogs are what I call these guys.
I guess I'm blind to these posts. I dunno that I have ever witnessed a GPS coordinate post on any of these bird dog/upland sites other than one which would put you at a Salt Lake City Mcdonalds.Hot Spotters Journal has become the laughing stock on the interwebs and most of those guys don't have the gumption to go out and find game on their own without help with gps coords and hot spotting from the net.
Kinda the way I see it too. But, there are some good posts that survive, because most members know when to bite their tongues.gonehuntin' wrote:Quill, I think UJ caters to a very select group. It is VERY heavily moderated and as a result some very, very, good threads get post holed before they have been given the chance to ever fully develop. There is rarely any useful training info posted there. It is mainly a social board. But, it's Brad's board sad he can run it any way he chooses.
gonehuntin' wrote:Exactly SCT. My feeling is that if Brad just stayed out of it and let the threads go,my hey would police themselves and be far more interesting and informative. You can look at nearly any other bird dog board ot even the Facebook boards for proof of that.
I don't know why I feel compelled to add. I don't think anyone gets special treatment at the other site in mention. I think it's a tight nit group of friends who connect. Nothing wrong with that. For me I go there for the same reason I come here~ The fine animalsgonehuntin' wrote:Quill, I think UJ caters to a very select group. It is VERY heavily moderated and as a result some very, very, good threads get post holed before they have been given the chance to ever fully develop. There is rarely any useful training info posted there. It is mainly a social board. But, it's Brad's board sad he can run it any way he chooses.
You door knob! What do you think the Exclamation mark next to the quote function does!pointerdog wrote:Rejoice! I see that that other place now has a NARK BUTTON http://uplandjournal.ipbhost.com/index. ... -function/ It's the perfect app to rat out a fellow bird hunting enthusiast.
Does someone prefer a different training method to your own? Push the button!
All distraught that a hunter chooses a pointing breed vs. a flusher? Report it!
Are you intimidated that a poster might wear Orvis or Filson while you're decked out in Cabelas? Expose the deviant!
Disagree over the gauge of shotgun a poster uses on pheasant? Nark 'em out!
Upset that a native to a certain state doesn't think a non resident should be allowed to kill birds for 3 months straight? Tell it to da' man!
Divide & Conquer, it keeps the masses in check
I would say...... I would say ...... yes ..... I notice this thread has a lot "just a pup's"Up North wrote:I wonder if the case will make the TV show Wardens?