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Buying Pigeons - Questions

Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby Old Hennie » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:29 pm

I am looking to get some birds to keep for training purposes. Can anyone advise where a good place to buy birds is? I am not sure where/how to buy.
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby mask » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:53 pm

where are you located?
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby Old Hennie » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:55 pm

I am in Indiana. Should have mentioned that!
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Postby mask » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:24 pm

I'm a little far away to help. You might try craigslist.
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby Mike da Carpenter » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:18 pm

Dumb question...if you buy pigeons locally and you release them during dog trading, wouldn’t they fly back to the place you bought them from?
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby Moulders Farm » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:36 pm

buy young pigions and do not turn them loose for a week or so then only a few at a time , but before relicing any I all ways catch and put them in and out the recall door several times so they know where thay can get back in do not buy to close at least 25 to 50 miles away .If you get young birds they will not reprudce for 6 mo to at year I know where yhere is some mid Mo. if coming this way
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Postby ezzy333 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:32 am

I am over in Dixon IL if that would help and could fix you up with a few pair of breeders that are already producing and might have some young birds in a month or two if you let me know what you want.

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Postby ezzy333 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:39 am

Moulders Farm wrote:buy young pigions and do not turn them loose for a week or so then only a few at a time , but before relicing any I all ways catch and put them in and out the recall door several times so they know where thay can get back in do not buy to close at least 25 to 50 miles away .If you get young birds they will not reprudce for 6 mo to at year I know where yhere is some mid Mo. if coming this way

Always put the youngbirds in a cage sitting on the landing board to your loft for a week or two and then let them loose. The biggest problem done this way is having a hawk attack that first day or two which can spook them bad enough you can lose some of them. Just a chance we take but the hawk problem gets better now that the small migratory birds are back. feel free to contact me and I will help however I can.

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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby DonF » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:44 am

Mike da Carpenter wrote:Dumb question...if you buy pigeons locally and you release them during dog trading, wouldn’t they fly back to the place you bought them from?


Not necessarily. Homer's probably would but ferals are easier to re-home. But even the homer's seem to be able to be re-settled. When I first got my homer's I got six. Three of each sex. They weren't old birds but not young birds either. They went into my homer loft and were left inside with access to the flight pen out back until they'd hatched out a couple nest's each and were on another. Then got a really wet snow and the net on my flight pen went don, ll six pigeons stayed! Today I still have one of them and two more homer's that volunteered! Thing is with homer's make sure they have been on a few nest's before trying them out. They are the important one's, the young one's raised there. You can do the same with ferals. Generally, if I remember right, ferals can be re-settled easier by locking them up a few weeks. Also help to get them on nest's. Get your start birds and build from them. Before you know it you'll have to sell off or shoot birds to keep from being run out.

Couple difference's between ferals and homer's. First is ferals home very well, just wouldn't pust the range to awful much. I've flown them from 50 miles. My homer's came out of 300 mi race birds, I've had them home fron a bit over 100 mile's. The ferals are wilder bird's. Doesn't seem to matter how long you've had them, when I go into feed they stay away from me and when released from a trap, fly away right now. Hmer's on the other hand are much quieter. They come down and start eating while I'm filling their feeder, no way with the ferals. The homer's come out of the trap and once in a while will pop up and sit right back down, pretty good for some dog's, disaster for other's. The homer's when I plant them without a trap, when I kick them out have a habit of walking around first before flying, never had a feral do that. The ferals are also quite a bit smaller than homer's. You'll notice the difference right away after picking up one of each. Down side of that is the homer's are harder to dizzy and tuck their to plant. Another thing is that if you have old release traps homer's need to be stuffed into them, I'd had homer's die in the trap during the summer. If you like to train more than 40 or 50 mile's from home, homer's are what you want. But if your inside that, ferals are just fine.

You'll probably have to buy homer's, ferals are easy to catch at night on a roost. No light at night and you can just walk along and pick them up. Or, I have a long handle smelt net I got years ago for catching them that I couldn't reach. Catch them from behind, they, most the time will out maneuver you if you try had on.

Just keep in mind, don't use up the first birds in without getting young on's first.
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby DonF » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:55 am

ezzy333 wrote:
Moulders Farm wrote:buy young pigions and do not turn them loose for a week or so then only a few at a time , but before relicing any I all ways catch and put them in and out the recall door several times so they know where thay can get back in do not buy to close at least 25 to 50 miles away .If you get young birds they will not reprudce for 6 mo to at year I know where yhere is some mid Mo. if coming this way

Always put the youngbirds in a cage sitting on the landing board to your loft for a week or two and then let them loose. The biggest problem done this way is having a hawk attack that first day or two which can spook them bad enough you can lose some of them. Just a chance we take but the hawk problem gets better now that the small migratory birds are back. feel free to contact me and I will help however I can.

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What Ezzy say's is a way to do it, but never tried it myself. I have found that by tying up the re-entry bob's a week or so then dropping one bob at a time, they will learn to push the bob's aside themselves. At first they will come out on the landing pad and look around but seldom fly right away. When you start dropping the bob's drop one and skip one, leaves an easier path in. Actually, I have a flight pen out the back of my homer loft. Has a re-entry door just like the one out front of the loft. I train them to push aside the bob's with it. Open most the time but when I feed, most are out in the flight pen. I drop the bob's on them then feed and get out. They all learn to re-enter.
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby shags » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:25 am

Old Hennie wrote:I am looking to get some birds to keep for training purposes. Can anyone advise where a good place to buy birds is? I am not sure where/how to buy.


Are there Amish where you are in Indiana?
We've bought barn pigeons from Amish kids for pretty cheap; stop by a farm with a nice loft barn and ask. Or post a note at the local feed mill. We've bought from weekly livestock auctions/sales that have lots of Amish sellers. Can be hit or miss there, but once you find a pigeon seller, you might be able to set up a deal oitside the auction.

Prices went from 1.50 to about 4.00 per bird.
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby averageguy » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:09 am

I have found pigeons on Craigslist numerous times. I also found some sources by posting on Craigslist in the Farm section looking to buy them. If you do post looking to buy I suggest not placing your contact info in the post, nor would I mention intentions to use them for dog training, as the PETA types will contact and harass you. I have also found sources by contacting local pro dog trainers and asking them where I could buy some. Nearest NAVHDA Chapter will have some folks who know where to get some as well.
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby gundogguy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:59 am

shags wrote:
Old Hennie wrote:I am looking to get some birds to keep for training purposes. Can anyone advise where a good place to buy birds is? I am not sure where/how to buy.


Are there Amish where you are in Indiana?
We've bought barn pigeons from Amish kids for pretty cheap; stop by a farm with a nice loft barn and ask. Or post a note at the local feed mill. We've bought from weekly livestock auctions/sales that have lots of Amish sellers. Can be hit or miss there, but once you find a pigeon seller, you might be able to set up a deal oitside the auction.

Prices went from 1.50 to about 4.00 per bird.


Over the years I have purchased over 50,000 birds in LaGrange, Shipshewana, Goshen Indiana areas The Amish love doing business with pigeon buyers. Shags is about right in the price range.
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby Old Hennie » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:36 am

Thanks everyone for the advice! I am planning to attend the local NAVHDA training day next month so that may be best if I don't find anything sooner.

Question - I noticed on craigslist someone advertising frill pigeons. I am new to all of this, so I don't know. Is this something worth considering? Looking up details online, it says they are good flyers. Does anyone use anything other than homers?
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby DonF » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:52 am

Pigeon's at $4 ea is a steal. I get $7 and think it's a great deal. Problem is a lot of people out here only want to train on chucker. So they spend $9 a bird use it once and that's the end of $9. Take out a pigeon for $7 and use it once and it goes home and you can do it again tomorrow! I've got birds I've had over 10 years now and am never wanting for bird's. Their loft is large enough to accommodate probably 75 birds plus another with 75 more in it and a small one that 20 works pretty good in. Pigeon's are better than sliced bread!
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby CDN_Cocker » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:52 am

Lol you wouldn't want to know what I pay for my homers....
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby Meller » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:22 am

I have some homers right now for $3.50 .
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby Sharon » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:37 pm

Old Hennie wrote:Thanks everyone for the advice! I am planning to attend the local NAVHDA training day next month so that may be best if I don't find anything sooner.

Question - I noticed on craigslist someone advertising frill pigeons. I am new to all of this, so I don't know. Is this something worth considering? Looking up details online, it says they are good flyers. Does anyone use anything other than homers?


These are one of many kinds of "fancy " pigeons. Not much use for initial training but great fun for a mostly steady dog. Nothing like watching a dog gaze at a "roller" coming down and knowing he still must stay put. :)
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Re: Buying Pigeons - Questions

Postby DonF » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:16 pm

There's expense in raising them in the first place. For less than $7, I can shoot them myself. Think of them as quail or chukar's that always go home to be used another day! I've been thinking, thinking stage only at this point. I could rent out fly aways for say $2 a flight. If a bunch of guy's went to Boyce Corral's to train and didn't have many birds I could not only take out pigeon's but also remote release traps. A chukar runs about $9 last year. Rent a pigeon at $2 and for the single $9 chukar you can get 4 homer's, fly away's only. If they want a few kill birds, no sweat, I'll bring along some! Those of course are $7 ea! What ever is left when they leave I turn loose to go home!
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