Got a New Pup

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Tue May 12, 2020 8:16 am

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You can't do that with your pup at just 19 weeks! You should let it run and then let it run some more. Let it chase stuff, develop her independence, chase deer and rabbits and butterflies, and she shouldn't come back to you unless SHE wants to, if she even does come back. You should have to go get her!
What you're doing is all wrong. You have to wait another 8 months, at least, maybe more, to start training.
At this rate, you'll have a fully trained dog before she's 10 months old!
And, she looks like she having too much fun as well. Show that dog whose boss!
Just not right....
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Full disclosure. There has been plenty of chasing. Last week she was in cover over my head and ended up 242 yards out. Only reason it was not 342 was because I started hustling to catch up as I watched the yardage going up faster than our national debt. There are coyotes hunting for pups 24/7 and roads around. Just moments before I was able to steer her away from a raccoon (that I saw and she did not), out prowling in the heavy overcast sky and cool temps. She is too small and too bold and that could be a harmful or deadly combination for her currently.

Have been working on ecollar overlay on our already trained recall command. It has a ways to go still. This pup has a lot of prey drive. It will be an asset in the water and with waterfowl and a challenge for awhile with upland pursuits. I expect to get there, how soon remains to be seen but I evaluate my training in my head constantly and give her work and new experiences daily.

I am going to ditch the waving orange flag set off to the side of the launcher as I suspect it is the source of the flagging she did initially on this bird before becoming staunch. Going to try the next setup without it and see how it goes as I have seen her hit her points hard and not flag. If she still flags a little initially before becoming staunch, I will launch the bird immediately while she is flagging the next time and try to teach more caution against any movement.

She is a baby and I was trying to gauge how much was her trying to figure out if she had enough scent. Good news was she got staunch and stayed that way, is bird crazy, bold and well acclimated to the gun at this stage.

Anyone got any input on that?

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Max2 » Wed May 13, 2020 4:49 am

Anyone got any input on that?
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Yes ! Really have been enjoying following your posts with Tess !
Good Stuff !

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Featherfinder » Wed May 13, 2020 5:17 am

Her boldness is an asset. How is it nurtured is up to you to a great extent.
You have heard me say that I rarely use launchers unless it's to resolve an issue. You have discovered but one of the reasons.
I agree - get rid of the flag BUT your dog can smell the launcher just as easily as she can the bird. Not a big deal at this juncture and my not something to get too concerned about at this time.
One more aspect of the launcher is that it introduces an intermediary step. Since dogs know when there IS a launcher....they know when there isn't one.
You are doing great work Av. I personally would not give her a bird to retrieve after breaking as that will require remedial training later on. I love what I'm seeing on your videos so, not sure you should stray too far from your current plan.
I'd put more focus on the other end of Tess. :wink:

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Sat May 16, 2020 5:47 pm

20 weeks old yesterday.

We can walk up to any new body of water now and do this. First time she had been here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSkz_j1wL7c

Have been working on Recall. Turned the corner on it today. Able to ditch the check cord. Things are going to get really fun now that I have some brakes on the race car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAPXSmrDK_c

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Max2 » Sat May 16, 2020 7:50 pm

Nice work with Tess ! You guy's are a good team !

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Featherfinder » Sun May 17, 2020 5:14 am

Good girl Tess! Good job Av.
Just got a GWP in. Looking forward to working with her. She comes from Russia. She is bright, REALLY well put-together and has nice bristly wire-hair.
Started retrieve training her right from the get-go. She started slow but is accelerating along now. Then again, all the pups/dogs need time to transition into life at "the academy". :)
I hope I can get similar results Av!

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Sat May 30, 2020 7:26 pm

5 months old. She is going to be a handful this Fall. Will cut her loose on the prairie in a couple of months and hang on.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:21 am

I use the ecollar tone for silent recall. Introduced it a couple of days ago. Going well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h1xFX4KiBQ

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by cjhills » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:00 am

averageguy wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:21 am
I use the ecollar tone for silent recall. Introduced it a couple of days ago. Going well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h1xFX4KiBQ
problem with that is the dog has no idea where you are .....Cj

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:13 am

Developing Marking, Hunt Dead Persistence and Return to me behaviors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXk-LfcifsI

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:15 am

A Down Command is the best way possible to anchor a dog and address over excitement situations. Very useful when hunting Doves and Waterfowl as well. Working it this morning among other things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopNgrlXxFQ

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:20 am

cjhills wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:00 am
averageguy wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:21 am
I use the ecollar tone for silent recall. Introduced it a couple of days ago. Going well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h1xFX4KiBQ
problem with that is the dog has no idea where you are .....Cj
I have been training my GWPs that way for 35 years. Works excellent. They will also recall to my voice and a whistle command but once trained I use the ecollar tone pretty much exclusively while hunting. They will loop around and cut my boot track and then track back to me when they need to.

Here is Spud doing the same and he was out of sight and over the hill when I toned him. Smart Cooperative dogs have an awareness of where their handlers are a good deal of the time. Or they should ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbpflD2i6l0

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:36 am

Does look like much but it is critically important part of developing a hunting dog - Learning to Fence.

Two years in a row on the first days of season my buddy's GSP laid her back open on barb wire fences and then missed the next couple of weeks healing up.

Been using this older less sharp fence to teach the pup to duck under the bottom wire or stand and wait while I separate the wires for her to jump through otherwise. I do not want a dog trying to jump over the top. Small details make a big difference in the finished product.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Sharon » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:06 pm

I would never have thought of that until I saw a dead beagle hung up on a wire fence once. As you say, vital lessons to be learned about wire fences
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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Featherfinder » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:54 pm

Good stuff Av!
That's pretty open country so 280 yds isn't that bad. At least that is my perception from the video.
Might need my glasses to verify that. :|

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:32 am

Yes 300 yards and beyond in open country is very desirable range. She is 5 months old and she will be going a lot further than that soon. It's a good thing but she is a handful, which is mostly a good thing as well.

In a month or so I will take her to a ranch in NE and turn her loose on Sharptails. Get excited just thinking about it.

This was Fun. Introduced her to the dock and the big pond last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ebzqWZ9oVA
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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Max2 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:55 am

As always very nice work ! Good stuff !!

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:48 am

Thank You. How's your pup doing, Max2?

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Max2 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:35 am

averageguy wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:48 am
Thank You. How's your pup doing, Max2?
Axe is doing good ! Thank you for asking. His first day on the job yesterday about 3.5 hrs. I can take him to work a lot especially in the summer on outside jobs. We have been locked down so I used work around here as a primer. Then I can work with him while at work. Kind of a win -win .Not to mention we are always on the look out for nice looking cover which I keep a log for the fall. I notice you post videos . Does one have to have a paying account to post videos on youtube ? I could post some short phone videos I've taken showing us working/playing 8)

Thank's again A-Guy & Tess !

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:26 am

No charge to post to Youtube so far.

Here is the first of two pigeons I worked Tess on this morning. I put quite a bit of pressure on her as I stopped and then moved in on the first one and she broke, I launched the bird and let her chase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2NeDtFqniE

Second bird this morning. She held until I launched the bird so I shot this one for her. I could not see her real well and called her prematurely thinking she had the bird but she did not. When she found it she picked it up and came right to me with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8N3w5TheT0

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:47 pm

My 5 month old "NAVHDA Plodder" :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPnwE77zEZk

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Meller » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:08 am

No need for worry he will get out there as he grows! :D

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:56 am

Meller wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:08 am
No need for worry he will get out there as he grows! :D
:D This from Yesterday. I enjoy this pup!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-IlCX ... yPR3W5hUm0

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:41 pm

We continue working on a variety to things every day.

She held on this one so I shot it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvgFEom ... MWYEZOOKrc

She broke while I was simulating flush off camera on this one so no shot. Perhaps there is some shaping the pup to hunt to the front going in this work as well ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2DMUSy ... SXzKBWINog

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:45 pm

She will have Retriever Duties as well so we are working that on land and water. Starting to require her to sit steady until sent as well as working these setups vs always letting her see a flying bumper or bird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWgOofE ... 0epfd-GNPo

Introduced the Ground/Marsh Blind this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IVwrJc ... dcHtXhGBwU

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:56 am

90 degrees out and this was the 3rd bird worked in this session so I was not looking to let her search big or long and instead gently steered her into the scent cone. We are getting there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZx4oI2ANs

Went to the pond and she got her first water retrieve through decoys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WK3wmRcRs

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:02 am

This bird preceded the one above in the same training session.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62m8n7wYCOU

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:07 am

7 Months old today. She has held point completely steady for the last 5 pigeons in a row while I am out front kicking around and eventually launching and shooting the bird. She races to the fall in heavy tall CRP cover, hunts dead while I stand silent and wait, finds the bird and runs back to my feet with it. Kennels into her dog blind, marks and retrieves through a decoy spread as fast as she can go. We are ready for her first hunting season.

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Has some nice go to her.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Max2 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:50 pm

averageguy wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:07 am
7 Months old today. She has held point completely steady for the last 5 pigeons in a row while I am out front kicking around and eventually launching and shooting the bird. She races to the fall in heavy tall CRP cover, hunts dead while I stand silent and wait, finds the bird and runs back to my feet with it. Kennels into her dog blind, marks and retrieves through a decoy spread as fast as she can go. We are ready for her first hunting season.

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Has some nice go to her.

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Nice !!

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:00 pm

Max2 wrote:
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Nice !!
Thank You. How's things going with your pup?

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Post by Max2 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:14 pm

Axe is doing well now . We had a little set back when Axe was hit by a car in mid - June. He was laid up for a while and thank goodness he is doing well now. Could have been much worse. I live on a country lane that two cars can not pass one another at the same time. At the 4.5 month mark he was doing really good with recall. Except for that day.

He ran up the road about 60 yrds and was on his return trip when a neighbor tried to navigate around him. Seeing him running down the road she felt he would just move out of the way I guess. She ran him over.

We have birds so we have been working on birds, obedience, some swimming lessons in our pond & being a puppy .

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:06 am

Oh My! Sorry that happened but so glad to hear Axe is doing well. It can happen easy and fast to any of our dogs.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:15 am

Ran Tess in a North America Hunting Retriever Association test yesterday in the Started Class.

She Passed!

At 7 months she was the youngest of 13 dogs in that Class, the token GWP and the only non-retriever breed. The head judge joked "That is a German Wirehair Retriever, not Pointer". Said he was a Lab guy but he could enjoy working with a pup like that.

3 Land Marks from brushed in blinds, run through duck and goose decoys field spreads out to 80 yards. 2 water marks, the first was land to water to land.

The last water mark was land to water to land to water with the duck falling in water behind a point of land out of sight of the dog. We had never run something that difficult and I did not give us a chance of completing it.

She proved me wrong! Pup showed me a lot yesterday.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by lahunter562 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am

Congratulations to you and your pup! Nicely done.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by weimdogman » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:09 pm

Great for team Tess!
Was that test around St.Cloud ?

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Mosby » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:38 am

Hard work always pays off. Congratulations!

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:53 am

Thank You All for the Kind Words.

Weimdogman, the test was in Iowa.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by Max2 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:12 am

Congrats Team Tess. She's a "Super Girl "

Nice work !

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:00 pm

A photographer at the test got some good shots. My Favorite.

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by nevermind » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:40 pm

Fantastic work you've done developing her to be gun dog! Congratulations...

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Re: Got a New Pup

Post by averageguy » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:11 pm

nevermind wrote:
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Fantastic work you've done developing her to be gun dog! Congratulations...
Thank You Sir, Appreciate the compliment. She is a work in progress with a bright future.

We have taken this pigeon work about as far as we can for the moment. Time to hunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0CcQEVBRA

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