Wanted Finished GSP Pronto!!!

tfbirddog2 · Post by **tfbirddog2** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:41 pm

Anyone out there know of someone selling GSPs finished in the Nebraska,Kansas,Colorado,Oklahoma,or Missouri area.Had a bad day at the lodge saturday someone shot and killed one of the other guides dogs a 2yr old gsp female.Most likely wants another female.any leads would be great.Thanks TFbirddog2.

snips · Post by **snips** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:11 pm

I`m sorry, but that would be the last place I would want any of my dogs. I know accidents happen, but....

birddog · Post by **birddog** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:18 am

I agree with Brenda, I do my best to cull out the game farm buyers.

QCBirddogs · Post by **QCBirddogs** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:41 am

Sorry to hear the bad news......I cant tell you how many times I hear that happening!

I never guide without a fully trained "BROKE" Gun dog! And after working with Gayla's dogs....I have become very impressed with the HAULT command and have been teaching my dogs it as well!

TF, I have sent you some information about a dog or two I also mentione dI will have some finished by summer time......I will keep looking for ya!

Phil

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:07 am

Hey Phil,

Could you start a thread to describe the "Hault" command?

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All, I guided some for the first time back during Christmas. I thought it would be a fun way to get some work for my dog.

I found it very enlightening and not in a good way.

When I guided the next group, I told them: "I want you to know that if you shoot my dog, you need to go ahead and shoot me too".

Best regards,

Best,

gsprescuewi · Post by **gsprescuewi** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:36 am

You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME? I will never allow anyone but myself to hunt over my dogs...sheesh, what the? Do not contact rescue.....I would not place a dog in a situation where this could happen again.

portsider44 · Post by **portsider44** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:24 am

TF, can't help you with the dog, but sure would like to hear some more info on what/how it happen.

QCBirddogs · Post by **QCBirddogs** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:29 am

Greg,

Sure it will be under the training forum though.

GSP rescue.........I see no problem in using WELL TRAINED dogs for guiding. I only do it on special occasions now and for certain clients. THere is a well to do explanation on what these dogs mean to me......And I carry a firearm as well! Accidents happen in many ways!

I think its a great opportunity to show an "average hunter" who doesnt know much about a truely trained bird dog and what they can actually do. Most have only seen a point and go dog or have misconceptions about field trial dogs.

Just my .03

Phil
REO

Kevin · Post by **Kevin** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:13 pm

http://www.outbackgundogs.com are in Kansas, can't speak about there dogs though... saw their add in PDJ

snips · Post by **snips** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:50 pm

Outback is a broker service for dogs. I have nothing against guiding, Rick does it in Tx every year, used to guide for Brays Island. There are just safe ways of guiding. We get many calls from Plantations to buy dogs. We don`t sell for that.

Post by **ezzy333** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:54 pm

I can't think of a better place to place a dog if you are interested in promoting your dogs and the sport of hunting. I have sold many over the years to hunting clubs and they have worked out great and there hasn't been a single accident. I would like to think those dogs introduced many young hunters to the sport. And I can't think of a more rewarding position than that if we want our sport and our dogs to exist in the future.

Ezzy

ward myers · Post by **ward myers** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:10 pm

gsp rescue
its a very bad idea to hunt by yourself especially down here.
between falling into caving in coyote dens & rattlesnakes
& by the way there is usally no cell signal in woods down here

tfbirddog2 · Post by **tfbirddog2** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:22 pm

Hey, snips it wasn't point blank or any thing.It was like most of the dogs shot situations the dog had got a head of the other two dogs by about 15 feet and the guy swung threw.Again NO EXcuse, heck she was actually fine she died from a blood vessel ruptured and fill her lungs of blood.I have actually heard more people shoot there dogs themselfs each year than dogs that are guide dogs.My vet had 5 dogs opening weekend in KS in their office that was pheasant hunting, not quail.Not to be rude I'm not wanting any lectures just help finding my friend a dog please and thank you.thanks again QC for your help along with everyone else.Some times the price we pay to play is greater than the return.

portsider44 · Post by **portsider44** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:29 am

ezzy333 wrote:I can't think of a better place to place a dog if you are interested in promoting your dogs and the sport of hunting. I have sold many over the years to hunting clubs and they have worked out great and there hasn't been a single accident. I would like to think those dogs introduced many young hunters to the sport. And I can't think of a more rewarding position than that if we want our sport and our dogs to exist in the future.

Ezzy

For the most part I agree, any place where animals are well taken care of & get a lot of days in the field is a great place for a hunting dog. Of course the down side to the hunting clubs is that you can have a higher % of folks with limited hunting experience or brand new hunters.

For a lot us we were blessed to be raised up hunting starting at a very young age. So our gun safety & shot selection is better now. We know to keep our shots up vs trying to get a quick shot off on a low flying bird with dogs out in front of us. I am sure the guide went over this prior to the hunt.

It's a catch 22, we need new folks to take up hunting to help preserve the the future of our hunting. Which means you will have some inexperienced gunners out there making the same mistakes we made as young kids. Hunt clubs on the most part may get a higher % of these new/less expereinced hunters. SO the risk factor for dogs, hunters & handlers is higher.

But at the same time hunt clubs/reserve offer new hunters a chance to get into hunting & also to get an interest in becoming a dog owner. Both of which is good for the future of gun dogs, breeders & hunters.

Yes one of the risk for hunting dogs is getting shot, but at the same time how many hunting dogs are killed each year by cars? Should breeders stop selling pups to folks that own cars or live where cars are driven? I just don't think you can say all hunting clubs are bad & therefore not the right place for a dog.

I would much rather see a dog in a hunt club vs being stuck in the show ring & never allowed to do what it was born to do.

Just my .02 cents worth.

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:01 pm

birddog wrote:I agree with Brenda, I do my best to cull out the game farm buyers.

Why is that????
I look at is a couple of things.... First the dog is used to find birds, Has hundereds or thousands of bird contacts, is used for what it is intended to be used for.... I could guess there would be worse things the dog could be doing!

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:18 pm

portsider44 wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:I can't think of a better place to place a dog if you are interested in promoting your dogs and the sport of hunting. I have sold many over the years to hunting clubs and they have worked out great and there hasn't been a single accident. I would like to think those dogs introduced many young hunters to the sport. And I can't think of a more rewarding position than that if we want our sport and our dogs to exist in the future.

Ezzy
For the most part I agree, any place where animals are well taken care of & get a lot of days in the field is a great place for a hunting dog. Of course the down side to the hunting clubs is that you can have a higher % of folks with limited hunting experience or brand new hunters.

For a lot us we were blessed to be raised up hunting starting at a very young age. So our gun safety & shot selection is better now. We know to keep our shots up vs trying to get a quick shot off on a low flying bird with dogs out in front of us. I am sure the guide went over this prior to the hunt.

It's a catch 22, we need new folks to take up hunting to help preserve the the future of our hunting. Which means you will have some inexperienced gunners out there making the same mistakes we made as young kids. Hunt clubs on the most part may get a higher % of these new/less expereinced hunters. SO the risk factor for dogs, hunters & handlers is higher.

But at the same time hunt clubs/reserve offer new hunters a chance to get into hunting & also to get an interest in becoming a dog owner. Both of which is good for the future of gun dogs, breeders & hunters.

Yes one of the risk for hunting dogs is getting shot, but at the same time how many hunting dogs are killed each year by cars? Should breeders stop selling pups to folks that own cars or live where cars are driven? I just don't think you can say all hunting clubs are bad & therefore not the right place for a dog.

I would much rather see a dog in a hunt club vs being stuck in the show ring & never allowed to do what it was born to do.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Nailed that on the head!!! 10 plus!!!!!

ward myers · Post by **ward myers** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:30 pm

portsider
my hats off to you
VERY WELL PUT

snips · Post by **snips** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:57 pm

For the most part that IS very well put. But here in the south there is an unfortunate down side too. I see kennels that are cleaned once a week, or places that change dog handlers every few months, some with the cruelest of training methods, many places use a dog up and when they are too old to full-fill the owners needs in the hunting fields, end up in the bone pile. I had one pup raised up by the son of a big plantation owner. When son could not keep the dog with him any longer the dog ended up getting thrown in a box on the hunting wagon going on a hunt. Not raised in this manner, people were on the hunt, dogs got into it and that dog killed the other. I, to this day do not know what hppened to him, have lost sleep thinking about it. THATS why I back off sending any dog to a hunting preserve or club unless I know personally how they are kept, worked, and what their end is. So, this is the other side of the coin.

ward myers · Post by **ward myers** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:07 pm

brenda very well put as well
all we can do is breed as well as we can to improve the breed
so when you sell a puppy,its healthy & has the desire & natural
abilty to hunt & has a excellent tempermant
and just as important screen potential owners
i have refused to sell puppies to people not that they were bad people or would be uncaring owners
but just because i felt they would not be happy with one of my pups
like a pup out of a high strung fieldtrial litter going to a family in a secound
floor apartment

ward myers · Post by **ward myers** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:12 pm

hey check out
www.gundogsonline.com

tfbirddog2 · Post by **tfbirddog2** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:33 pm

Thanks from those who helped.Words well said Tak,Portsider,Ward,Ezzy.

gsprescuewi · Post by **gsprescuewi** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:44 pm

There are dog BROKERS? EEEEEHHHH gads....yet another mission.

scotton · Post by **scotton** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:44 pm

I've guided wild hunts and for plantations, and I've had great clients and not so great. The fact is, the dog cannot tell the client when it's safe to shoot. That's the guide's job, and it's the main job of a good guide. If you can't control your hunters, you have no business guiding. I'm not slamming on anyone in this particular situation, because I wasn't there. However, if one of my dogs got shot by a client, it's my fault regardless of the circumstances. And I work hard to make sure that it doesn't happen.

One of the joys and responsibilities of a guide is to educate hunters who may not have worked over dogs before, or have been taught incorrectly. A lot of plantations are long on handlers, but short on guides.

My current workhorse is a rescue dog (the Abe-ster), and he is the best hunting dog I've seen or owned. He's out to prove something to his former owners every time we go out. Everyone should take advantage of a second chance like this dog. Once he figures out how to pin and herd Blues (Scalies), he'll be unstoppable. My next dog will probably be a rescue dog as well.

My opinion is worth what you've paid for it.

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