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Post by gar-dog » Sat May 17, 2008 7:58 am

Elkhunter wrote:Gar-dog, because it is ILLEGAL and I am amused that you would stick up and protect irresponsible dog owners. Its very obvious that you dont live in the west, and probably have been out here very few times, if at all.
Ok, you said in your earlier post you don't shoot dogs to protect the deer - and now you say you would do it because it is illegal what the dogs are doing. Therefore, you would shoot the dog to punish the dog owner for his/her illegal behavior. That just seems even worse of a reason for me. If you must do it at all, please do it to protect the deer - not to get your jollies off.

Congratulations on noting I do not live out West. How did you figure that out? Is it because my location is stated by my avatar?

More curious, on what basis at all do you have any insight into my residential or travel history?

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Post by Grange » Sat May 17, 2008 10:45 am

Loke wrote:
Grange wrote:So when those of you that shoot dogs do you check to see if there is a collar and then try to contact the owner or do just leave it lay?
I contacted the fish and game officer in the area. He was more than happy to pay the owners a visit when he returned the collars. From what I understand, the dogs owners were cited for letting their dogs run loose.
Well at least you didn't have to do your own dirty work.

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Post by Elkhunter » Sat May 17, 2008 4:11 pm

Its a pretty simple thing to understand, I dont understand where the confusion is, if your dog is chasing and harassing wildlife in UT, as in sheep/deer/elk/moose there is a very good chance it will be shot. I would shoot the dog because it would be the right thing to do. Simple as that. If you dont want your dog to get shot, there is a very simple cure for that. Dont let it harass and chase wildlife. I could draw a picture for you guys if that would help. Just let me know, I am not a very good artist but I could do me best. :D

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Post by Elkhunter » Sat May 17, 2008 4:15 pm

It has nothing to do with exciting me. Do you think I am gonna chase the dog down, find out who owns, and then try to locate the owner? Not gonna happen. Well of course out in NJ I am sure you know exactly what effects our big-game herds in Southern Utah, I can get you in contact with the local biologists and you can get to work getting our herds back to where they need to be.

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You know exactly what I am saying, dont try to twist and distort my words, its called "harassing wildlife" and in the winter if your dog is caught doing it, it will be shot. Thats how it is in UT, you obviously care about your dogs and are probably a responsible owner. Its not right morally or ethically to let your dog run winter-stressed deer/elk anymore than they have to. Its the same reason you dont run your dogs on wild birds now. They are on the nest. Its the EXACT same thing. I dont see how you guys are having such a hard time understanding this. One would think it was common sense.

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Post by natetnc » Sat May 17, 2008 7:22 pm

PETA :lol:

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Post by Brushbustin Sporting Dogs » Sat May 17, 2008 8:08 pm

WOW...is right this turned into another useless thread. Anyone that thinks a dog chasing a deer is going to kill it is rediculouis by the way. And if it does kill them i'm goin to start chasing deer around all winter cause we have like a billion extra in our county. And yes I do live out west. Come on I've kicked other peoples dog for doing things it shouldn't like bother me while training and such but I would never shoot someones dog its not morally right and I think thats kinda what this started out as is what was the moral thing to do and thats not to shoot someones dog.
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Post by ezzy333 » Sat May 17, 2008 8:53 pm

People,

It's hard for someone who has not experienced something to understand it. I think Elkhunter made it quite clear what is expected of anyone in Utah during the wnter season. That is not hard to understand. You may not agree since you are not involved in the everyday living in an area like that. I grew up in an area where you were expected to kill any dog harassing any livestock. And I never heard anyone who had a dog get upset if their dog was caught doing that. I can remember several people killing their own dog when they were presented with evidence that their dog was involved. Just this past year we had to shoot a big malamute type dog that was the ring leader of a pac of 4 or 5 dogs that were killing calves. Our neighbor keeps several Pyrenese(SP) with his sheep and they end up killing several dogs and coyotes every year. This is a common thing in the rural areas yet today.

This doesn't mean anyone is trying or even going to shoot your dog the first time it is seen unless it is actively involved in some destructive behavior. But if it is, there is a good chance it can happen. We have killed dogs that appear to be strays that are chasing deer or livestock on our property. No one enjoys it but if there in no collar and the dog has been seen several times it is fair game.

What you are hearing on this post is that when a dog is harrassing wildlife or livestock it is the law of the land that the dog is in the wrong. Each of us would do the same thing if a maurauder of any spiece was in our yard threatening our family or our pets. Its not a pleasant thing to have to do so almost always the animal is given the benefit of the doubt if there is any, but when caught in the act the inevitable will happen. Its been this way for years and years.

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Post by markj » Sat May 17, 2008 9:57 pm

Neighbor of mine killed a dog that killed a steer, was chomping on the evidence too. He was protecting his livlihood. It is legal to do this in most rural areas. Not too hard to understand and I agree with it. As I said earlier, one of my dogs run off, never to return. Not to be found in the shelters, so I must belive it was doing bad stufff and paid the price fr it.Wentand got another dog, use a fencer collar no dogs run loose that I own. I also have cattle, how much of A loss should I be OK with? These steers are money on the hoof, run wieght offem and make les money?

And why do city folk let their unwanted dogs out in the country? Do they think they will be able to fend for hemselves? revert to the wild? No they get into the garbage, strew it all over the place, chase off the cats, etc.

One dude lived down the next house for awhile had his dog in my building had a cat of mine cornered, I chased it out, dog growled at me. I told that dog to get off or I was gona shoot him. Owner started yelling at me telling me he was going to kick my rear end etc. Now I had a .45 in my pocket as I do at night when checking out things, called the owner of that place, he was evicted. If he would of came onto my place and started crap I could of shot him too.

Stupid is as stupid does. Be responsible about your pets and no ill will happen to them. Plain and simple. Dont come out of the city and try to tell us how we should do stuff our the hunting areas will keep getting smaller.

I run off 2 guys the other day hunting mushrooms on my place, they got belligerent with me, said they had permission, I showed em the browning on my belt and asked em when did I give em permission to be on my property? Happens on turkey season, deer season and had a guy shoot a pheasant out of his window right by the mailbox one year, posted signs are all over and houses are very close to the roads. I dont even shoot the pheasants here. Some think they can do what they want. I say put yer money down as I did and own yer own land as I do. I am getting tired of running city boys off the place, cant they read a sign? Posted no hunting allowed? What if my boy was out and some idiot shot him?

Off the soapbox now and I hope sonme can understand that we live out here and make our living here, can we run our dogs in yer office? Chase a secratary or two? Pregnant ones?
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Post by BigShooter » Sat May 17, 2008 11:01 pm

IMO it's not okay for a responsible owner to let any animal stray beyond their control, which includes dogs, livestock and especially cats. Collar batteries can become discharged, fences can be poorly maintained, land overgrazed or a pet can be simply allowed to roam. Once the animal is beyond our control their life may be in the hands of someone else whose point of view or perspective differs from ours.

What I am probably more disenchanted with is the responsible dog owner that keeps their dog(s) under control but lets their cat(s) run wild or someone like one of my neighbors who complained to me once about one of my dogs (on my property) chasing the deer off the 7.5 acres at my lake place while at the same time their cat is all over my property year around hunting and killing birds. IMO nationwide domestic and feral cats are an even bigger problem than stray dogs. Of the millions of loose cats in this country I know they are not all working exclusively to keep the mice population down around the grain bins!

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Post by ezzy333 » Sun May 18, 2008 8:22 am

Anycat that is over a couple of hundred yards or so from any buildings is fair game. They so more damage to or wildlife than any other animal. I like to have them around the farm building where they can catch mice and rats but they better stay in that area. And the good ones do.

Just as a side note to the above posts, we have had 4 tee stands stolen, our fences cut twice to allow 4 wheeler entry, turkeys and deer shot off of the farm and probably have had to kick 2 doen people off. And they aren't city boys, but rather the local group who poach and think the country and everything on it is theirs. The game warden advice we just shoot over their heads rather than report it since he can't keep up with them.

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Post by gar-dog » Sun May 18, 2008 8:30 am

The point of this thread has nothing to do with shooting animals that come onto private property and killing livestock. It is about killing known pets/hunting dogs on public land before owners can scoop them up, because of the possible threat to big game.

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Post by gar-dog » Sun May 18, 2008 8:32 am

ezzy333 wrote: I grew up in an area where you were expected to kill any dog harassing any livestock. And I never heard anyone who had a dog get upset if their dog was caught doing that.
Howdy, Jim, shot yer kid's dog. Thanks, Bill, wanna come over and watch the game tonight?

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Post by Ricky Ticky Shorthairs » Sun May 18, 2008 8:55 am

Ezzy~How do you know that those cats aren't sneaking off at night to cruise the countryside and eat turkey, pheasant, or quail eggs or live babies? Do you stay up all night to keep an eye on them? If not, then you cannot claim that "the good ones do" as a fact. If you believe that, you are just kidding yourself. Not saying that having them around the farm for rodent control is a bad thing, but come on, I think they like to stretch their legs just like any other kind of predator.

As far as the comment about the game warden telling you to shoot over their heads. Is that really a good idea? What if those poachers decided to shoot back, except they might aim to hit you. That would be a bad situation, wouldn't it? I would say that if he has that bad of a problem, then all reports of theft, vandalism, or poaching would be evidence he would need in court to convict these people. Trail cams work wonders as evidence gatherers, especially when you aren't there to see them yourself.

I just have a hard time believing a law enforcement officer would tell you to shoot at someone who is breaking a law. (Especially when they are outside) That would make me question his commitment to enforcing other laws. Two wrongs don't make a right. People shooting at each other or towards each other on purpose never turns out good. JMO

I know that this is off subject, but I couldn' let this one go. Maybe the moderators need to keep this one on subject, instead of helping it vear off path.

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Post by ezzy333 » Sun May 18, 2008 9:52 am

Thank you Ricky,

I didn'tsay I agreed with the advice but was strictly showing you there is a dfferent mind set in different prts of te country. Sorry you missed the point but maybe I didn't state it clear enough. As to the kitty cats, I know since every night when I got up to check on sows farrowing or cows calving or a hundred other reasons during the night they were there in the barn or in the crib where they made their living. The old tom would drive the young ones away and those many times became the ferrel cats or a stray female would meet up with them and have litters in a hog house or under the hay bales.
Howdy, Jim, shot yer kid's dog. Thanks, Bill, wanna come over and watch the game tonight?
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Post by Brushbustin Sporting Dogs » Sun May 18, 2008 12:05 pm

This thread has gotten stupid. Its so off base its moronic. This thread started having nothing to do will a dog killing anything and darn sure hard nothing to do with cats. Again I'll say it it;s immoral to shoot someones dogs cause you see it "running deer". My dogs don't chase deer I break them of that but If my gundog makes a move down a tree line a deer run out is that "running deer"? Should my dog be shot onsight cause those poor deer had to run from that tree line? O by the way I live in the heart of rural. its an hour drive to a city with over 5000 poeple in it. The town thats closest to me has a whole 390 people in it. So I think I know. I've never heard of anyone around here scared that a dog was going to kill deer beacause it was chasing them.
had a co-worked come talk to me about hunting today. we got to talking about deer hunting and he noticed the pictures of my brittany's.
he said "i shot 2 of those dogs last year, they were running a deer"

i could not believe it, he went on to say "if you dont have control of the dog, it needs shot. I dont care if it has a hunting collar, beepr or bell on it either"


i just could not believe how dead set people are in what they thing the "right thing" is.
This is what started this thread to remind everyone. Its littleking talking about his naive co-worker that is a moron that scary thing is that some on here agree with this moron!!!!!
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Post by Elkhunter » Sun May 18, 2008 7:04 pm

Brushbustin,
I dont think you understand, and I dont think central nebraska is anywhere near to the country I live in. We dont have MILLIONS of deer running around like you do. I dont really know how much more plain you want me to make it for you, I dont know if you have read my posts at all. Running deer on the winter range, shed hunting, snowmobiling, four-wheeling and idiots letting their dogs run off and chase deer EFFECT DEER GREATLY!!! I am not talking about shooting someones dog that is 100 yards in front of them. I am talking about dogs running around with no one in sight chasing deer in deep snow. Do you know how much some of those deer/elk tags sell for? $5,000-$50,000! And that money goes towards conservation and habitat protections. They raise millions of dollars each year. So do you honestly think that someone would sit around and let some out of control dog run and chase deer that are already exhausted from a hard winter, pregnant and let that dog chase them up and down ridges? Just use some common sense. Its moronic for someone to think that you are allowed to let your dog run loose and do whatever the heck it wants without any consequences. Its unethical to allow your dog to harass wildlife or livestock for no reason.
My dogs don't chase deer I break them of that but If my gundog makes a move down a tree line a deer run out is that "running deer"? Should my dog be shot onsight cause those poor deer had to run from that tree line?
Have you read the post or did you just jump in halfway? We are not talking about your dog bumping a deer during hunting season. Of ocurse I am not going to shoot someones dog for that. We are talking about irresponsible dog owners letting their dogs run loose and chasing deer during times when they are already stressed. Like I mentioned we have 50-70 percent winterkill in some areas. The last thing those deer need is some mutt chasing them around for the heck of it. So yes that dog will get shot, and I hope the owner gets ticketed and learns some responsibility!!!

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Post by markj » Sun May 18, 2008 8:11 pm

I know of one deer hunting fanatic thinks the deer on his place are his will shoot a dog if it is on his land chasing deer or not.

Point is keep your dogs under control and you will have no problems. Let em run and they could get hurt or worse. Thisincludes land he leases for grain production land right across my street.

I hate deer, hit 2 last year 5 year before at 250.00 per hit it is killing me and makes the insurance go up. They run right into you, no chance to avoid em. I kill as many as I can tag each year and they are satill overproducing so I could care less if a dog runs em, but, some folks are deer fanatics, some have tattos of the durn rats on em. They will shoot a dog and isnt a thing anyone can do about it.

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Elkhunter wrote:Brushbustin,
I dont think you understand, and I dont think central nebraska is anywhere near to the country I live in. We dont have MILLIONS of deer running around like you do. I dont really know how much more plain you want me to make it for you, I dont know if you have read my posts at all. Running deer on the winter range, shed hunting, snowmobiling, four-wheeling and idiots letting their dogs run off and chase deer EFFECT DEER GREATLY!!! I am not talking about shooting someones dog that is 100 yards in front of them. I am talking about dogs running around with no one in sight chasing deer in deep snow. Do you know how much some of those deer/elk tags sell for? $5,000-$50,000! And that money goes towards conservation and habitat protections. They raise millions of dollars each year. So do you honestly think that someone would sit around and let some out of control dog run and chase deer that are already exhausted from a hard winter, pregnant and let that dog chase them up and down ridges? Just use some common sense. Its moronic for someone to think that you are allowed to let your dog run loose and do whatever the heck it wants without any consequences. Its unethical to allow your dog to harass wildlife or livestock for no reason.
My dogs don't chase deer I break them of that but If my gundog makes a move down a tree line a deer run out is that "running deer"? Should my dog be shot onsight cause those poor deer had to run from that tree line?
Have you read the post or did you just jump in halfway? We are not talking about your dog bumping a deer during hunting season. Of ocurse I am not going to shoot someones dog for that. We are talking about irresponsible dog owners letting their dogs run loose and chasing deer during times when they are already stressed. Like I mentioned we have 50-70 percent winterkill in some areas. The last thing those deer need is some mutt chasing them around for the heck of it. So yes that dog will get shot, and I hope the owner gets ticketed and learns some responsibility!!!

Elkhunter, I understand your point, to an extent, however; I have a hard time visualizing a "bird dog", of any breed, that would be physically capable of keeping up with any deer or elk thru waist high snow (which I am pretty sure you referred to in one of your previous posts). and if there is no snow, then the deer should be able to get away pretty easily, right?? now let me say, no i dont live in the west, and i have zero experience with elk. but i have seen my fair share of whitetails take off from a dog, and i have seen the dog take off after them, and within 200-300 yards the dog is left in the dust. most of the time the deer gets out of sight, circles back and the dog doesnt have a clue where it went. and if its a domesticated dog that has a food bowl at home, they have no reason or desire to chase something all day that can put more distance between them whenever it wants. like i said, i have no experience with elk, and this is all just my humble opinion. And i have shot dogs harassing our cattle (after i chased them off the first time or 2 and then they came back again). but i think that a deer hunter shooting a dog for chasing deer, the first time, is a little ridiculous. but again, just my cents.

I DO agree that it is irresponsible to just let your dogs run loose, especially during hunting season. to me your just asking for trouble. However, sometimes things happen. somebody accidentally leaves a gate open, or an ecollar stops working, or a dog wanders off, a pup runs off and gets separated. chains break, etc. i just think youve got to give someone a chance to get their dog under control.

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Post by Elkhunter » Mon May 19, 2008 9:39 am

dog dr,
I agree with you 100 percent. It has nothing to do with a dog catching and killing a deer, it has everything to do with making them move constantly to avoid the dog etc. And if its out there a couple times a week doing that the deer will just keep moving. Late in January and Feb and March the deer have depleted almost all their fat reserves. Not to mention that they are pregnant also. Its the fact that they are forced to move and use energy that they dont have. One of the main consequences is they abort their pregnancies because they dont have the food/nutrients to keep it. The dogs dont actually kill the deer, they just push and move them around, then they end up wintering in less desirable places to avoid the pressure. Which is usually higher places, deeper snow, less feed etc. And that is not from just dogs, its from idiot shed hunters, snow-mobiling, four-wheelers and alot of other factors. Its a big problem here in the west. And when I say west I dont mean Central Nebraska.
And I will stress it again, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT KILLING DOGS DURING THE DEER HUNT. I would never shoot a dog that was running a deer during the season, I know there are grouse seasons and chukar seasons that are going on at the same time. I am solely referring to shooting a dog that is running deer/elk on the winter range. Thats all.

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Post by luke0927 » Mon May 19, 2008 9:47 am

I'm a big deer hunter as well....if i see a collard dog i will try and catch it to contact the owner...but unfortunatly there are a lot of people in rural parts that just let thier dogs run loose....if i see a mange stray or feral dog they are the same as a coyote they will be put down....this is in the best interst of people and livestock

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Post by JessW » Mon May 19, 2008 12:43 pm

I could be wrong, but I believe the original poster is located in Ohio and the subject came up in relation to deer hunting and the inconvenience to the hunter. I don't believe the conversation involved winter stressed wildlife in the west which I think are completely different in how it probably should be handled.

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Post by littleking » Tue May 20, 2008 5:52 am

JessW wrote:I could be wrong, but I believe the original poster is located in Ohio and the subject came up in relation to deer hunting and the inconvenience to the hunter. I don't believe the conversation involved winter stressed wildlife in the west which I think are completely different in how it probably should be handled.
exactly right. i am from ohio... this is not about stressing wildlife... this is about:

1. deer hunter in stand
2. deer in picture
3. dog in picture (chasing deer or not)
4. dead dog.

as my first post indicates: my coworker feels that if your dog spooks a deer, runs down a deer trail that deer are on, or breaks off and gives chase to a deer, your dog will be killed.

this is not "letting your dog roam free for hours on end" or chasing elk, moose, caribou, etc.. around during the winter just for the heck of it.

this is about ignorance.
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Post by BigShooter » Tue May 20, 2008 10:00 am

Under circumstances where no reasonable person would shoot a dog, rather than call it ignorance I'd characterize it more as wanton destruction of the property of another.

However, as I said before the minute your animal is out of your control its life may be in the hands of another. Once your animal is lifeless what good are damages? I have never shot a dog and I have never released a dog in the field during deer season for the very reason that its life may be in jepordized by some character with marginal morals.

Littleking, why don't you post the regulations regarding the shooting of dogs in your state? If the regulations prohibit these kinds of actions during the hunting seasons, like the Minnesota regulations do, maybe you could actually educate this individual about the law.

If the law or regulations are bad, band together with other sporting dog owners, lobby the legislature, your Department of Natural Resources or Fish and Wildlife Services and get the laws/regs. changed.

JessW, almost all of the threads wander a bit and that is why there are moderators. IMO all of the discussion in the thread was pertinent and generally related to the topic at hand, ethics, morals, laws and regulations regarding the destruction of another's animal.

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Post by littleking » Tue May 20, 2008 10:48 am

first off, our deer season (bow) runs for several months, overlapping many other seasons....

you cannot upland hunt during deer gun season, therefor this does not pertain to gun season. but you can carry concealed while bowhunting.

§ 955.28 Dog may be killed for certain acts; owner liable for damages.

(A) Subject to divisions (A)(2) and (3) of section 955.261 [955.26.1] of the Revised Code, a dog that is chasing or approaching in a menacing fashion or apparent attitude of attack, that attempts to bite or otherwise endanger, or that kills or injures a person or a dog that chases, injures, or kills livestock, poultry, other domestic animal, or other animal, that is the property of another person, except a cat or another dog, can be killed at the time of that chasing, approaching, attempt, killing, or injury. If, in attempting to kill such a dog, a person wounds it, he is not liable to prosecution under the penal laws which punish cruelty to animals.

(B) The owner, keeper, or harborer of a dog is liable in damages for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that is caused by the dog, unless the injury, death, or loss was caused to the person or property of an individual who, at the time, was committing or attempting to commit a trespass or other criminal offense on the property of the owner, keeper, or harborer, or was committing or attempting to commit a criminal offense against any person, or was teasing, tormenting, or abusing the dog on the owner's, keeper's, or harborer's property.
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Post by BigShooter » Tue May 20, 2008 11:18 am

littleking wrote:that is the property of another person
Littleking, My reading of the sentence construct of 955.28 specifically does not include wildlife. As I recall form the DNR regs. Ohio prohibits any person from possessing property rights to wildlife.

Furthermore:

955.03 Dogs are personalty.
Any dog which has been registered under sections 955.01 and 955.04 of the Revised Code and any dog not required to be registered under such sections shall be considered as personal property and have all the rights and privileges and be subject to like restraints as other livestock.

1533.171 Prohibiting injuring persons or property while hunting.
(A) No person, in the act of hunting, pursuing, taking, or killing a wild animal, shall act in a negligent, careless, or reckless manner so as to injure persons or property.

Although I am unable to do anything other than an internet search I have not found specific Ohio law, rule or regulation that allows any citizen to shoot a loose dog in the woods in, or not in, the act of chasing deer.
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Post by BigShooter » Wed May 21, 2008 12:01 pm

Littleking,

I sent an e-mail to the Ohio DNR. Below is a copy of the e-mail and their response. In the absence of any other apllicable law, rules or regulations I have been unable to locate it would appear the co-worker's actions are illegal in Ohio. Readers, please see the quotations of law in my previous e-mail.

E-mail to the Ohio DNR:

On the internet I was unable to locate the Ohio laws, rules or regulations related to DNR officers and/or citizens shooting loose dogs and/or shooting dogs during hunting seasons in or not in the act of chasing deer. Can you provide some information and references?

Response from Ohio DNR;

The Division of Wildlife does not have jurisdiction on domestic animals.
If a dog is mistaken for game and accidentally shot during hunting season, charges for negligent hunting could be made. If the dog was purposely shot, this would be a civil issue and the local law enforcement should be contacted.
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Post by Buckeye_V » Wed May 21, 2008 1:54 pm

Does not mean it is legal. It just means that the DNR does not have jurisdiction. I don't have the time to check the Ohio Revised Code chapter and section, but I can tell you this......civil litigation would be the least of their worries......

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Post by BigShooter » Wed May 21, 2008 2:25 pm

B V,

If you didn't mean to say "illegal" instead of "legal' you misread my posts. The jurisdiction issue is obvious from the DNR reply. The internet search of the Ohio Revised Code chapter and sections revealed only the information previously disclosed that in the absence of additional information indicates this is an "illegal" activity in Ohio in addition to any moral or ethical issues involved.

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Post by markj » Wed May 21, 2008 7:18 pm

I sure do not value a dogs life as higher than a humans. If my dog run cows or anything else of value to another and he shot it, well bad on me, I belive in taking full responsibility for my animals actions and keep em under my control at all times. Course I live in the country and was raised here, I know what a dog can do in a pack and try to keep mine on my property. Lost one and sure do not want to loose another. If yours got loose and someone shotit, how would you even know? and how would you ever find out who did it let alone do that person harm?

Just saw a nice buck, almost hit my car, he had teeny little antlers starting..... See him next season..... :)

Shot my share of feral cats, they seem to congregate around my cat house (place my cats go for food) so when I see em I shoot em. Wouldnt hesitate to shoot a dog that was trying to harm any of my livestock either, if they chase deer, so be it, I wouold shoot the deer . Hate then critters, they cause more damage than any dog does, but some are just plain insane over that record buck. (world record was from Iowa).
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Post by littleking » Thu May 22, 2008 6:12 am

Ohio Administrative Code 959: Offenses related to domestic animals

959.02 Injuring Animals: No person shall maliciously, or willfully, and without the consent of the owner, kill or injure a horse, mare, foal, filly, jack, mule, sheep, goat, cow, steer, bull, heifer, "bleep", ox, swine, dog, cat, or other domestic animal that is the property of another. This section does not apply to a licensed veterinarian acting in an official capacity.

959.03 Poisoning Animals : No person shall maliciously, or willfully and without the consent of the owner, administer poison, except a licensed veterinarian acting in such capacity, to a horse, mare, foal, filly, jack, mule, sheep, goat, cow, steer, bull, heifer, "bleep", ox, swine, dog, cat, poultry, or any other domestic animal that is the property of another; and no person shall, willfully and without the consent of the owner, place any poisoned food where it may be easily found and eaten by any of such animals, either upon his own lands or the lands of another.

959.04Trespassing Animals: Sections 959.02 and 959.03 of the Revised Code do not extend to a person killing or injuring an animal or attempting to do so while endeavoring to prevent it from trespassing upon his enclosure, or while it is so trespassing, or while driving it away from his premises; provided within fifteen days thereafter, payment is made for damages done to such animal by such killing or injuring, less the actual amount of damage done by such animal while so trespassing, or a sufficient sum of money is deposited with the nearest judge of a county court or judge of a municipal court having jurisdiction within such time to cover such damages. Such deposit shall remain in the custody of such judge until there is a determination of the damages resulting from such killing or injury and from such trespass. Such judge and his bondsmen shall be responsible for the safekeeping of such money and for the payment thereof as for money collected upon a judgment.

All of this can be found at the following web adress. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/959
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