AKC DNA

MOOSE · Post by **MOOSE** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:53 am

I have been reading about DNA testing on the AKC web page. I am wondering if they can do what I want with a DNA sample.

We brought in a VERY nice GSP from a shelter a week or so ago. He is very well put together and has a nose on him too. Very beautiful boy with a great tail job done on him. Which is hard to come by in Michigan. I would like to pull his DNA and see if my some mircle his parents are DNA'd with AKC and we could at least find his original breeder and then go from there. I have a hard time believing that he was purpously let go to be a stray. Just wanted to know if anyone has heard of such a thing being done?

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:03 am

I am not 100 percent but I don't think they can do that. I don't know of them having any kind of database for that stuff. Contact them and see but I think you are out of luck.

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:28 am

Beth,

They can do a parentage evaluation, but I believe, ONLY if the parents are known. They do keep all DNA Records of Submission, but for them to go through the Thousands of Records trying to find that one match, would likely be the proverbial "needle in a haystack".

Wouldn't hurt to call and ask though.

I take it there is no chip or Tat? Be aware, unless you have a Universal Scanner that reads all chips, some scanners will not read other brand chips.

snowman · Post by **snowman** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:10 am

This is a very interesting post, please post an update when you find out if its possible.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:51 am

ahgsp is very correct...need to be sure that the dog is completely scanned with a universal scanner not just a brabd specific scanner

needs to be scanned where the chip is inserted but down the side chaset back stomach and yes even the back legs

Just had a dog in the other days the chip migrated to the inside back leg. Only reason I kept on checking is the dog had been microchipped but I also test different chips to see how many different types of chips my universal scanner will pick up this one was a setter from europe.
I have found the to the side by the elbows and in the upper chest for the most part when a chip has migrated

The new thing they are doing with DNA is on Mutts as to zeroing on what breed a dog primarily is
But as for whos the moma and daddy I do not think they ahve gotton that far

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:46 pm

As far as I know AKC doesn't have a database set up that can just run the numbers and give you a yes or no as to whether or not the parents DNA is on file and who they are. They do have an extensive DNA library but unless something has changed you have your dog's DNA and they can then compare it to samples from a specific set of possible parental candidates, but not to the whole database.

Actually it wouldn't be difficult to set it up that way, just expensive and time consuming and I doubt they see a viable cost/benefit ratio in setting something like that up. CR

MOOSE · Post by **MOOSE** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:11 pm

I wish I had the smarts to do such a thing to help rescue groups out with finding dogs their rightful homes. We had him stacked today and he knows EXACTLY what he is doing! I had a show friend over to help with it. I am going to get him into another vet around here tomorrow or Tuesday to see if they can maybe find a second microchip in him as we put on in on Saturday but I am not sure if the reader was universal or not plus our vet didn't check his entire body either.

Would a tatoo be REALLY obvisouse on him and where do they normaly get done? I didn't see anything REALLY obviouse on him but maybe I didn't look in the right areas? Under his arm pit???

I am going to see if I can find out where in the County he was picked up and if he had any collar or anything as well tomorrow.

mikeyair · Post by **mikeyair** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:24 pm

let me know what you find out about him too, i hope every thing gose good for him with his new home, actually i kind of miss having him around. and its only been a couple hours since i droped him off

MOOSE · Post by **MOOSE** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:37 pm

Here a few pictures of him. A couple stacked pics and a couple head shots. I didn't notice any tatoo on him. He sure is a stunning boy. These pics still don't do him justice. The one stack picture isn't the greatest but it shows his color well. The second one is abit blurry but shows him nice in a good stack. If anyone recognizes anything about him and his possible lines let me know. I know some people can look at a dog and say "Yup that dog is from this or that kennel or lines" That may help me out with the needle in a hay stack for the DNA!

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:13 pm

MOOSE wrote:I wish I had the smarts to do such a thing to help rescue groups out with finding dogs their rightful homes. We had him stacked today and he knows EXACTLY what he is doing! I had a show friend over to help with it. I am going to get him into another vet around here tomorrow or Tuesday to see if they can maybe find a second microchip in him as we put on in on Saturday but I am not sure if the reader was universal or not plus our vet didn't check his entire body either.

Would a tatoo be REALLY obvisouse on him and where do they normaly get done? I didn't see anything REALLY obviouse on him but maybe I didn't look in the right areas? Under his arm pit???

I am going to see if I can find out where in the County he was picked up and if he had any collar or anything as well tomorrow.

Tattoos are normally going to be on the inside of the ear flap, inside the upper or lower lip, or on the inner part of the dog's flank. CR

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:28 pm

Have you had him to the vet? If you are in a small rural or suburban community with only one or two vets in the area you might score a hit there. You should certainly consider putting up a flier at local vets offices. This boy looks to have been very well taken care of throughout at least most of his life, which at a rough guess I'd say is probably three to five years. CR

MOOSE · Post by **MOOSE** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:36 pm

He came from the opposite side of the state. Guesstimate age is actualy about 2 years old from a couple different vets. Yeah he has been to the vet and is up to date on everything now.

WildRose · Post by **WildRose** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:32 pm

If it were me I'd find out as close as possible where the dog was found, locate local shelters, and veterinary offices and send them fliers. In all likelihood if he was a local dog some one is looking for him and/or knows where he came from. CR

MOOSE · Post by **MOOSE** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:03 pm

Here is how this all came about. I run a small GSP rescue here on my side of Michigan. He was transported to me through several different people. The animal control told me they wouldn't tell me where they picked him up from unless I knew the exact person's name who pulled the dog. And I don't as I don't know what person did what leg of the trip. How stupid is that though?? I haven't given up yet. I am going to search the papers in the area and see if there were any missing dog listings.