Gun Dog Forum

Here are a couple of the little rascals from a Blackhawk litter I have. Just don't see this every day!!

That chestnut and tan pup is a looker.

good looking pups!! must be from the setter blood in 'em.

I'm pretty sure Ch. Strut is a tri-dog also and is out of Blackhawk. Interesting for sure.

Ch. Strut - I bred to him last summer and produced some great pups!

Good looking dog

Must be the setter they mixed in to help their style and class.

midwesternfisherman,

Pretty interesting that their sire is the hottest Pointer stud in the Country. Must be something to that furry stuff!!

Yawallac, send me a couple of those pups up to run in the grouse woods?

I'm not a pointer guy BUT......that "Strut" dog is one fine looking animal. I love that head.....beautiful.

Nothing quite like a good old Walker coonhound in the mix for stamina
Good looking pups Ross.

Chip

Chip,

A Rambling Rebel gets the hound credit. Blackhawk goes back to setter ....allegedly.

We Pointer guys don't get our panties in a wad like the GSP crowd. We just want better bird dogs. If a coon hound made Rebel the dog he was and a setter made Blackhawk the producer he is ...well, I just don't care!!

Ch. Strut pup ...I'll take the results.

Oh I knew exactly what you were talking about Ross, I grew up hunting with my uncle a lot and he had alot of Rebel bred dogs, and the coonhound comments followed us everywhere, it did not help matters that we had half the kennel full of Black and Tans and Redbones .
I sure loved those dogs and the days I had with em. The first dog I bought was a Redbone named Big Jake, "bleep" near lost him to a coon drowning him, he was a young pup and so was I. Sure was a helluva lot of fun.

Chip

Ross,
why dya' fudge his tail in that pic? A little sickle ain't bad.

Grouse Dog Guy,

That pup in the picture is on his way to MI. Will be running in the Cover Dog trials this fall. I have placed a bunch of Pointer pups in the grouse woods in the last year. Pretty cool! (I grew up in the grouse woods of NE PA!!)

with a litttle more tail work he'd make a "bleep" nice shorthair

Seriously, you are lucky Ross you have some of the nicest blood at your place, I'd take one in a second. I'm afraid they'd make my AA gsps look like gun dogs though.

Yawallac wrote:Grouse Dog Guy,

That pup in the picture is on his way to MI. Will be running in the Cover Dog trials this fall. I have placed a bunch of Pointer pups in the grouse woods in the last year. Pretty cool! (I grew up in the grouse woods of NE PA!!)

If I wasn't breeding a bitch on Monday to Chase Hill Little Bud, I would give you a call. Maybe I will get to see one of your pups running in the woods.

Dale Herndon from MI bought this pup, Rocky. He is sending him to a Pro but I don't know who yet. Dale will be running another pup he bought from me last spring, a female out of Attitude's High Finance x Magic Spice Girl (Add' Go Boy daughter). Her name is Molly and she is a super little prospect.


Good luck with your breeding!!

very nice dogs ross. you are doing some nice breedings. I truely believe it will make the breed stronger than it already is. the best!

Yawallac wrote:Chip,

A Rambling Rebel gets the hound credit. Blackhawk goes back to setter ....allegedly.

We Pointer guys don't get our panties in a wad like the GSP crowd. We just want better bird dogs. If a coon hound made Rebel the dog he was and a setter made Blackhawk the producer he is ...well, I just don't care!!

Ch. Strut pup ...I'll take the results.

That the best darn statement I've seen yet on this or any board in quite a while.. Although I own no Pointers, that there is one good lookin' bird dog!

I am not getting this love fest over Blackhawk offspring. As stated by Yawallac, "The hottest sire in the country". Some of the best pointer lines , for all age dogs, have none of his lines in their kennels. He tends to throw decent shooting dogs. The only time I saw Strut run he did not impress me. It seemed to me he was should be running in Shooting dog instead of All Age. The only BlackHawk dog I really like is Harpeth Valley Hawk. But his bottom side is Miller.

I saw where Scott Turner, (he bought Attitudes high Finance), is selling 13 or 14 Blackhawk puppies right now. I believe he has bred them to another rock Acre dog. You can have as many as you like for $1000 a puppy. OUCH. It would add up fast looking for a trial dog at $1000 a pup. But if people out there are willing to pay $1000 for a puppy, with a 1 in 25 chance of developing into a winning trialer, then, I guess Yawallac is right.

I guess I need to get into this breeding thing.

The only time I saw Strut run he did not impress me.

Since Strut won more as a Derby than any dog in American Field history I suspect that your opinion is in the minority!

Ross..I would go with a little coonhound back there...why else would they apppear to be looking up in the trees? lol....

They get the head crank from the Black Mouth Cur

Yawallac wrote:

The only time I saw Strut run he did not impress me.

Since Strut won more as a Derby than any dog in American Field history I suspect that your opinion is in the minority!

Like I said. He did not impress me as an All Age campaigner. Not to say he was not a good dog, or would make a good shooting dog.

I know Strut did well as a Derby. He may have come earlier than most. As you know, the age of the dogs vary quite widely as derby campaigners.

Around here we judge a dog AFTER their Derby campaign, not before.

What is the dam of those pups out of?

Tri-colored pointers go back a very long way, including in the descriptions of coloration of some of the original Spanish pointers.

Earlly modern pointer scion Commanche Frank, out of Fishel's Frank was tri-colored. Years later Herb Holmes kennel namesake Gunsmoke was tri-colored as well.

Here's some history of the tri-colored pointer going back to the early 1800's.

http://englishriverwebsite.com/PointerH ... s_etc.html

g42,

TRAILBLAZER'S DELIGHT (RUCH Rock Acre Trailblazer x CH.Rock Acre Delight)

Around here we judge a dog AFTER their Derby campaign, not before.

Strut won two more major circuit Championships this year as a first year dog.

If some of you guys really want a TRUE prospect out of the Rock Acre line, instead of buying a long string of pups looking for a winning dog.( Odds are about 1 in 25 even with really good breeding)

Pee Wee Cole, (Breeder of the Rock Acre Line), told me he has a dog he won a national event as a puppy with. The dog will be beginning as a derby.

Pee Wee said he needs $20,000 for the dog. If it were me I would purchase that dog before I would spend $1000 after $1000 looking for a pup that would run. It seems to me it would be cheaper in the long run.

I guess if you want a pup that takes a pretty picture posed up, and looks good pointing a feather, it takes care of ONE of the seven, or so, attributes necessary to make a winning trial dog. But the other equally important traits are a crap shoot at that age.

Thatys what I need. A $20000 toy I can spend another 10000 on. Think I will stick with a puppy. I don't get much pleasure out of buying a winner. If I can't breed it or train it what is the purpose of having a dog.

Ezzy

ezzy333 wrote:Thatys what I need. A $20000 toy I can spend another 10000 on. Think I will stick with a puppy. I don't get much pleasure out of buying a winner. If I can't breed it or train it what is the purpose of having a dog.

Ezzy

I feel the same way. I have seen owners that could not pick their dog out on a chaingang. Although I don't understand that mentality I am glad it exists. Those are the people that pay the bills to keep pros in business and keep the trials and many of the breeding programs going. In the end we all reap the benefits.

Charles

gunner wrote:Tri-colored pointers go back a very long way, including in the descriptions of coloration of some of the original Spanish pointers.

Earlly modern pointer scion Commanche Frank, out of Fishel's Frank was tri-colored. Years later Herb Holmes kennel namesake Gunsmoke was tri-colored as well.

Here's some history of the tri-colored pointer going back to the early 1800's.

http://englishriverwebsite.com/PointerH ... s_etc.html

I had a direct daughter of The Texas Squire that was tri-color. She never threw any tri-color pups.

I have seen owners that could not pick their dog out on a chaingang. Although I don't understand that mentality I am glad it exists.

Holy Cow!!! And you don't even deal with a breed that is one color. LOL Imagine if you had a string of Weimaraners!!

I do have two littermates here that I have to look at closely. They are almost identical! Eyeset is slightly different as is muzzle length. Other than that no one would be able to tell them apart. One does do better in the field than the other also.

Barkridge, who is the dog in your avatar out of?

Pee Wee said he needs $20,000 for the dog

for a dog? some have more money than sense it seems send me all you have (money that is). 20 gs will get me a new motorcycle.....

BrettBryan wrote:Barkridge, who is the dog in your avatar out of?

the 2008 National Champion - Whippoorwill Wild Agin is out of WHIPPOORWILL WILD JACK and WHIPPOORWILL GIRL

I found his pedigree here http://www.phantomkennels.com/wildaginstbk.html

barkridge wrote: I know Strut did well as a Derby. He may have come earlier than most. As you know, the age of the dogs vary quite widely as derby campaigners.

Around here we judge a dog AFTER their Derby campaign, not before.

Is barkridge still around?

Ch. Strut - All Age Dog of the Year...

Have any pictures of those pups now that they are grown?

Acooper, in the "Sarah's Boys" thread, the Strut pup is Rocky.

Yawallac wrote:

barkridge wrote: I know Strut did well as a Derby. He may have come earlier than most. As you know, the age of the dogs vary quite widely as derby campaigners.

Around here we judge a dog AFTER their Derby campaign, not before.

Is barkridge still around?

Ch. Strut - All Age Dog of the Year...

whew Ross- nice lay back and drop the hammer

ross just wondering if you have come across anymore tri's sense you have bred to blackhawk again?

i really like the looks of the tri's

We haven't had any since we stopped breeding Rock Acre females to Rock Acre males.

Update, we bought a 2yo tri-colored female today and we will probably breed her to Jack, our Blackhawk son.

markj wrote:

Pee Wee said he needs $20,000 for the dog

for a dog? some have more money than sense it seems send me all you have (money that is). 20 gs will get me a new motorcycle.....

You would spend 20 g's on a motorcycle ? Now who has more money than sense !

Yawallac wrote:Update, we bought a 2yo tri-colored female today and we will probably breed her to Jack, our Blackhawk son.

Yawallac,

I think I've heard you don't like to breed Blackhawk to Blackhawk. If this is true, why? How much is too much in your opinion?

Nitrex

I think I've heard you don't like to breed Blackhawk to Blackhawk. If this is true, why? How much is too much in your opinion?

The Rock Acre line has traits that we want to exploit so it really depends on the individual dogs. We're going to try a couple of breedings that will double up on Blackhawk because we want to see how Jack, our Blackhawk son, produces going in that direction. So it just depends on what you are trying to do.

That b/w/t tri has very settery head in the photo...and the ears appear to have a little bit of fluff on them. Prettier than the average pointer
Ross, do you think that the coloration and setter characteristics would be held against the dog in competition if its performance was on par with other top-level competitors? Would the novelty of the color give it an edge in either trials or as breeding stock (given good performance record of course)?

Ross, do you think that the coloration and setter characteristics would be held against the dog in competition if its performance was on par with other top-level competitors?

It certainly hasn't hurt Strut. He was the winningest Derby in AF history and is now AA DOY. And I don't believe he was given extra credit for tan cheeks.

Here is the girl we picked up yesterday. She is by Strut, bred to an Elhew Fibber McGee daughter. We will breed her to Jack (avatar), our Blackhawk son. I worked her on birds yesterday and today and I like her.