wow...

[littleking]

had a co-worked come talk to me about hunting today. we got to talking about deer hunting and he noticed the pictures of my brittany's.
he said "i shot 2 of those dogs last year, they were running a deer"

i could not believe it, he went on to say "if you dont have control of the dog, it needs shot. I dont care if it has a hunting collar, beepr or bell on it either"


i just could not believe how dead set people are in what they thing the "right thing" is.

[dog dr]

unfortunately, there are alot of jerk deer hunters who feel that way. not all deer hunters are like that , but they are prevalent. i usually get to treat the ones that have had an arrow stuck thru them.

[Buckeye_V]

Did you tell him he was wrong? Did you tell him not to ever go hunting with you because there might be an accident????

I would not hestitate......

[littleking]

oh i sure did... but it went in one ear and out the other, you could tell by the look on his face that he believed that to be bible

[phermes1]

God help anyone that shot at my dog.

[zzweims]

Am I the only one bold enough to stick up for the deer hunters? Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to spend months and mega dollars tending food plots, putting up stands, scouting, stalking, and shivering your a** off waiting for that once in a lifetime buck, only to have somebody's "Fluffy" chase it off? If y'all are inconsiderate enough to let your dogs run loose during deer season, then you need to take some of the responsibility for what *might* happen.

Trust me, I never have and never will shoot a dog for running a deer. And God help anyone who shoots my dog. But I have cursed more than a few irresponsible dog owners who act like all open land belongs to them, and them alone. We're all hunters. We need to respect that, and each other.

BTW, do not put an orange vest on your dog during the season. It just makes him an easier target.

Aline
http://sitekreator.com/zzfarms

[Bird Dog 67]

Am I the only one bold enough to stick up for the deer hunters? Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to spend months and mega dollars tending food plots, putting up stands, scouting, stalking, and shivering your a** off waiting for that once in a lifetime buck, only to have somebody's "Fluffy" chase it off? If y'all are inconsiderate enough to let your dogs run loose during deer season, then you need to take some of the responsibility for what *might* happen.

Trust me, I never have and never will shoot a dog for running a deer. And God help anyone who shoots my dog. But I have cursed more than a few irresponsible dog owners who act like all open land belongs to them, and them alone. We're all hunters. We need to respect that, and each other.

BTW, do not put an orange vest on your dog during the season. It just makes him an easier target.

Aline
http://sitekreator.com/zzfarms

I don't get it, are you sticking up for all deer hunters that shoot dogs or all deer hunters except for the one who shoots your dog?

[mtlee]

I use to be into deer hunting pretty big back in middle school and high school. It is very annoying to have a dog(s) come running through your corn pile. I never even came close to shooting a dog, I've always liked them too much.... But once, I got out of my stand and got hold of one. I proceeded to put it in a feed sack and carried it out to the hunters who were parked on the side of the road IN FRONT of my house. I think they were kind of surprised to see a 14 y/o boy carrying a feed sack w/ one of their dogs in it. Guys who run dogs where I grew up are awful. They will literally park in your front yard and set up camp. They've run deer through our barn while we were in there...talk about being surprised!

[ohiogsp]

Anyone that lets their dog roam the county and do what it pleases all day long is not a good dog owner. That being said what if my dog ran off on me and that happens about once a year. I don't care if it ran a deer or not if someone shot it the person would meet his maker. I have deer hunted for years and I have spent alot of time doing it in the past. A deer running off is just part of deer hunting it has happened to me lots of times for one reason or anouther. Here is the thing some retard deer hunter might not realize also I have spent more money and time with my dogs then he could even imagine. You can always go hunting anouther day unless you shoot one of my dogs!

[natetnc]

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to spend months and mega dollars

No we spend YEARS and mega dollars to mold that once in a lifetime dog hopefully not to have it shot by some arrogant piss ant deer hunter who gets their panties in a bunch. what if that same dog happened to drive a monster right under your stand? wait, i know what the story would be then, the dog would have nothing to do with it, the success would be ALL YOU.

[Elkhunter]

Here in UT we had a HORRIBLE winter. The winterkill from last year is getting worse and worse as the snow melts. I talked to many different guys who would be watching deer and elk from the road and someones dog would be chasing them all over the place. It can have a devastating impact on deer/elk involved. The stress can cause them to abort unborn young. In rural areas it can be a big problem, especially in winter range. I can understand if it was middle of october and some dudes dog was chasing a deer, I would be frustrated but I doubt I would shoot the dog. But if it was mid of January on the winter range and some idiots dog is running deer/elk to exhaustion, then I would be tempted to put a bullet in him. If it happened to be my dogs that were shot, then I should of been more responsible. Just like we dont run our dogs during the spring on wild birds. It can ruin the hatch for the following year. Its the same thing to me. Its harassment of wildlife and if the fish and game saw your dog out chasing deer/elk on the winter range, I gurantee they would put him down.

[ohiogsp]

I have anouther thing to add. Are we talking about bow hunting here also? If so unless the deer hunter is on his personal property and he hasn't gave permition to anyone else to hunt he has no right to do anything but just say "oh well". We get permission to run the coyote dogs here on a crap load of land around here and these dogs are trained to run through a mile and put the coyotes out of all the woods on that mile. If a deer gets pushed out "oh well". We have just as much right to run the dogs through there as any deer hunted does being there.

[Dennmor]

OK, this is one of those threads that addresses a topic that requires everyone to keep a perspective.

All freedoms are just, until they infringe on someone else’s freedom.

There are times when these "freedoms" overlap. It's when this happens that we find out who we really are. Are we inconsiderate a**es or do we take the higher road.
There will always be those idiots with little or no concern for other life and there will always be dog owners who are oblivious to any kind of "etiquette" towards others.

I recomend that we don't be the biggest jerk but rather the bigger person.

JMHO,
dennmor

[ohiohuntinweim]

I bird hunt and I deer hunt...well ok I tree sit and hope a deer comes by. The only way I would shoot a dog is if it is attacking me on the way to or from a stand.

I have walked up on a bow hunter who could have shot my dog, we ruined his sit. We were on public ground. I apologized and turned around and got out of the area asap. I know he left not that long after, i felt really crappy. But we all share the woods.

I don't agree with shooting a dog, but if your dog gets onto someone elses property you are just asking for trouble. Its a tough subject with intense feelings on both sides of the line.

[Loke]

What are the laws in your state? In Utah, it is legal for anyone to shoot a dog that is harassing livestock, or hoofed wild game. I hunt deer and birds. I think that I can leave the mountain to the deer hunters during the deer season. The deer hunters don't bother me during the duck season, so I try to give them the same courtesy. I would be extremely upset if my dogs were shot. But on the other hand, I have shot dogs that were running deer. It was during the worst winter that I have seen. There was an 80% winter kill in this area that year. I'm pretty sure that the Doberman and the German Shepherd not out hunting grouse. Dog owners also need to be responsible for the safety of their animals. Is there any difference between your dog being shot for harassing wildlife, or being run over by a car? Dogs should not be allowed to roam unsupervised. And hunting dogs should be trained to ignore deer. My Chessie couldn't care less for furred game, and I intend to keep her that way.

[Elkhunter]

Loke I agree with you %100. I am not for shooting a dog just for shooting a dog, but if its running deer/elk in a hard winter. Then I think that is justified.

[BigShooter]

I posted this on another thread recently but will post it again here. This is reprinted from the Minnesota DNR web site::

Dogs Pursuing Big Game

No persons may allow their dog to chase or kill big game.
Between January 1 and July 14 a dog that is observed wounding,
killing, or pursuing in a way that endangers big game may be killed
by any person. A peace officer or conservation officer may kill a dog
that endangers big game at any time of the year. The officer or person
is not liable for damages for killing the dog.

Important: Other hunting seasons are open before, during,
and after the deer season. Many hunters use dogs to hunt
upland game, waterfowl, rabbits, raccoons, foxes, and coyotes.
Dogs may not be shot during fall hunting seasons, even if seen
pursuing big game, except by a conservation or peace officer.

I hunt primarily birds & big game so I have a foot on each side of this fence. Minnesota's approach seems to have been fairly well thought out. Obviously Jan.1 - July 14th appears to be designed to cover the periods of winter snows that may impede a deer's escape, late winter/spring birthing, and the primary period when fawns are very small. At the same time during mid-summer dog training & the fall hunting season dogs have protection from law abiding citizens. I'm a little surprised if most other states don't have similar wording. If your State's regulations are poor you should work to get them changed.

Of course the key gray area from Jan.1- July 14 is "pursuing in a way that endangers big game" and taken together with "The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog." would make it very difficult for any dog owner to prove wrong doing on the part of a shooter. Once your dog's gone what good is it to collect damages? Obviously we all want to keep our dogs out of harm's way.

Mark

[ACooper]

What would you say if one of your dogs got out and ran a bunch of cattle through a fence and out onto a highway, or killed a calf, or maybe someones sheep?

[natetnc]

What would you say if one of your dogs got out and ran a bunch of cattle through a fence and out onto a highway, or killed a calf, or maybe someones sheep?

probably the same thing you would say if a tree fell across your fence and your cattle ended up in the highway to cause an accident that killed someone. life is full of what ifs

[scout_on_38s]

I think everyone on this site has a a great respect for their dogs and the sport of hunting. I think the problem comes into play when that respect is lost through irresponsibility. I personally would look differently on nonhunting breeds, noncollared dogs and dogs that seem "wild" for lack of a better term. They shouldn't be in the woods chasing deer. period... Bird dog with a collar on the other hand most likely got away and has an owner looking for it. Make your decision, you have to live with!!!

[gar-dog]

This is the most bizarre thread I have seen on this forum in terms of responses. I absolutely cannot believe someone would shoot someone else's hunting dog on purpose.

If you saw this happening, would you think by killing the dog the deer is going to come back so you can shoot it?

Retarded! Shame shame shame!!!

Gary

[Grange]

Is there any difference between your dog being shot for harassing wildlife, or being run over by a car?

Shooting a dog is intentional and hitting a dog with a car is generally an accident. :roll: There is a huge difference unless the person intended to kill the dog with his or her car.

[Nebraska]

God help anyone that shot at my dog.

Ditto....

[kninebirddog]

I have tried all day to reply to this post

on one hand when I am sitting up in a tree stand and I have someones mutt trapsing across our private property ..yes I get upset specially when that mutt is chasing the deer after we have done plots and everything to bring the deer to the property yeah that pisses me off

if it is a lost hunting dog ..that is different ...we will try and find owner and we have on some coon dog and rabbit dogs



i don't think a hunter should shoot another hunters dog.

[Elroy's Bandit]

Shoot my dog or at my dog....Sorry, but somebody is gonna get hurt.

[natetnc]

i guess, in this case, we have to look back to the source of the guy shooting the dogs. who in their right mind would make a comment like that? if someone has pictures of dogs in their office obviously they are fond of them, what kind of person would come in and speak of killing them, total dissrespect.

[Loke]

Is there any difference between your dog being shot for harassing wildlife, or being run over by a car?

Shooting a dog is intentional and hitting a dog with a car is generally an accident. :roll: There is a huge difference unless the person intended to kill the dog with his or her car.

My point is if you allow your dog to roam unsupervised, bad thing could happen to your dog. Whether hit by a car or a bullet, dead is dead. When I was a kid, my dog was poisoned. So I can see this from both sides discussion. The bottom line is that we, as dog owners, need to be responsible for the safety of our dogs. I would not shoot a hunting dog that might be roaming the woods during the hunting season. Even if it were following a deer. A dog that has a history of harassing wildlife (I had seen the dogs that I shot chasing winter-stressed deer several times), and has packed up with other dogs, should be shot. Sometimes that is what it takes to convince an irresponsible owner that dogs should not be allowed to roam.
As much as I love my dog, I would not kill a person for harming her. And if you would shoot someone that shot your dog, you are an idiot. Placing an animal's life above a human (there are a lot of humans that deserve to live less than most dogs) will only get you a life time stay at the local prison.

[kninebirddog]

i guess, in this case, we have to look back to the source of the guy shooting the dogs. who in their right mind would make a comment like that? if someone has pictures of dogs in their office obviously they are fond of them, what kind of person would come in and speak of killing them, total dissrespect.

Good point....

[phermes1]

I consider myself a responsible dog owner and more than likely will not have a dog in such a situation. Maybe that's where myself and others on here are different from some others out there - we ARE responsible dog owners.

With that said. God help anyone that shoots at my dog.

[markj]

In Iowa your dog is open game if on someone elses property, some get shot yes. I know of one limper was shot by his neighbor for running cows. Keep your dogs under control and no worries. I had one un off like 5 years ago to never come back had a yard collar on andthe power wentout. Never got the collar back either so if I am not out there dogs are locked up. Some deer hunters are plain insane over "their" deer. I shoot as many deer as I can, cost me a bunch last year almost a wife when she hit one at night driving to work. I hit one the week before 250 deductable on both cars. Would have killed me if I was on the bike. But a dog can be shot here and nothing legal you can do about it.

One guy did get in trouble for arrowing a dog in townfor no reason. I usually sit out the bird hunting during shotgun season, folks get real crazy. I sit on my property and shoot my limit, ran off a few tried to lay claim to my deer too. Folks get nutso during deer season over that one buck. I dont care about a rack, I want meat and too thin em out, way too many here, lots of wrecks over deer and it makes the insurance go up for us all. Never seen a head mount of a pheasant.....

[natetnc]

As much as I love my dog, I would not kill a person for harming her.

ditto, with that said i can assure you they would have many unsuccessful years of hunting to come.

[JimB]

no one would shoot any dog that I've trained to be a bird dog. It's called trash breaking, (no disrespect to deer hunters), if it ain't a bird, the dogs doesn't press it. I don't want a bird dog to run deer, coons, rabbits or anything that doesn't have feathers.

[wems2371]

I could see shooting known wild dogs, but there would be too many variables otherwise for me to even think of it. Kind of along the lines that every one has a mother, father, family, etc................if that makes sense. I would never know if I shot someone's dog that meant as much to them as mine means to me. That dog could be some kid's best friend or some mans hunting buddy...................meaning the world to them. Most people have had an oops at some point--where the gate has been left open to the yard, the dog ran off during a hunt, etc. Pretty high price to pay for an oops in time. Then there are the folks that are naive about the rules and the impact of letting the dog run while sharing the hunting grounds. That doesn't mean the owners meant harm to you, and why are you holding the dog accountable for their actions?

While the law may be clear, unless you have the occassion on videotape, I would be leery of a lawsuit as well. Let's face it, when you can get a couple mil for spilling your own hot coffee on your own lap--anything is possible in the court system. Someones idea of harassment of wildlife may be difficult to prove in court, and if I let you live (just kidding...........I think)--I'd be the first to take you there. Personally, I don't trust any hunters outside my group...........so we don't go out on public ground if we know anyone else is out there............even if we're dogless. May sound paranoid, but bad aim and bad judgment makes the news every season. Denise

[littleking]

there is the law and then there are ethics, and then after all that's said and done. there is the right thing to do.

i've been in a stand, chasing monster buck, and have had coyotes, dogs, cross-country skiers, kids all come through and spook deer.

should i shoot them all? even if the law allows?

ethically, is it really worth the pain of the dog owner, so that you feel better about your deer season.

is it the right thing to do? no.

i agree with most that god help the man that shoots my dog. i also agree with trashbreaking, but no dog is perfect, and at times a dog may break. what if the dog breaks off after a turkey, and spooks the deer under the deer hunters stand... again the world if full of what-ifs. but really what is the right thing to do.

I just can imagine doing it, especially when there is a collar on the dog.

[BCA1228]

I've had deer hunts ruined by dogs like everyone else where I live, but it's never really crossed my mind that shooting a dog is a rational response. Those that do have lost perspective. I understand the time and money it takes to deer hunt, but, in the grand scheme of things, it's just a deer. Sure it pisses me off, but killing a dog seems like such a ridiculous thing to do to me (especially a dog with a collar). I can't believe other dog owners see this differently. I just think I would feel terrible about intentionally shooting a dog. Dog's don't know any better. It's not the dog's fault his owner has allowed him to be where he shouldn't.

[phermes1]

What do those people do if their neighbor's dog craps on their lawn?
It's a lesser offense than running deer, so instead of killing the dog, maybe they just taze them ... :roll:

[Elkhunter]

I agree with everyone about not shooting a dog running a deer during the season. I am talking about a dog running deer on the winter range. And here in UT that is a HUGE problem. For example this year was a really bad winter, really bad. And I know there were more than one dog shot for running deer. It pushes the deer/elk higher to avoid the pressure where there is less feed and cover and DEEP snow. They can and will abort pregnancies because of the stress. Which hurts fawn/calf recruitment after a hard winter. In that scenario I would shoot the dog, regardless if it was a short hair or german shepard or lab or a pit bull.

[tdhusker]

Irresponsible dog owners are a problem in most rural areas. The farm I used to live on was within a couple miles of a small town and we had trouble with groups of dogs harassing our livestock and killing our poultry. I have shot a number of dogs for that reason. I don't care to do it but there really was no alternative. No way to track down owners, no desire to deal with the hard feelings and confrontation that would follow if you did. I have also seen far too many unwanted dogs dumped in the country by folks who don't want them anymore. They used to wander onto the place and had to be dealt with. to be honest, when you're in the middle of summer farming, there really isn't time to deal with wandering pets who have been dumped. When it's 24 miles to the nearest dog pound (where they are likely to be put down anyway) and three steps to your rifle, the solution is obvious. I never shot first and asked questions later, if there was a collar or ID, I never had to do the deed but that was almost never the situation.

This is a case where the irresponsible folks make life tough for those who aren't. If wandering or marauding dogs frustrate folks to the point where they shoot them, this sure increases the likely hood that one of our precious hunting dogs gets blasted if he somehow gets away.

[natetnc]

population growth and rural development are pushing the deer/elk into less desirable conditions too. elkhunter do you plan to have children? if so you better move them to an urban development otherwise you would be no better than the chasing dogs.

[gar-dog]

If "feral" or abandoned dogs are in a sense acting as "varmits" and killing your poultry on your property, that is a different story. But the right thing to do is still try to do something else about it.

Out in the wild, "protecting" a deer from being chased by killing a dog seems wrong.

If I am bird hunting and a deer came through and flushed the birds I was after, should I shoot the deer? If you are rabbit hunting and an eagle starts swooping in, do you kill the eagle?

[Elkhunter]

Nate, actually your wrong, because I actively participate in winter range restoration, removing old fences and preserving habitat for that reason. Do you think that we spend all that money and time so that some guys GSP/lab/britt/ES/mutt insert any breed of dog can go out and chase elk/deer constantly in deep snow on the winter range? In my opinion NO. Use some common sense Nate. And yes I have a little girl and plan on having a few more. But my little girl is not out chasing deer on a four-wheeler in chest deep snow in the middle of January. Your analogy is pointless and has nothing to do with a dog chasing deer on the winter range. Not only is it against the law, but if I see it, I will shoot the dog. People need to be responsible.

Gar-dog,
It has nothing to do with "protecting" deer. I see coyotes and cougars harassing deer on the winter range. Thats called natural behavior, its what they are hard wired to do. Your neighbors mutt chasing a herd of pregnant cow elk halfway up the ridge in thigh deep snow is not what I consider "nature". In some areas we will have 60-80 percent winter kill on deer. I love to hunt deer, so if I see a dog chasing deer in the middle of winter. Yes I will shoot the dog. It has nothing to do with protecting the deer, I am not competing with the dog to hunt deer. Your analogies also dont make any sense. Just be a responsible pet owner and you will never have that problem.

[Killer Instinct]

We don't have deer or elk in our area, but we sure do have moose. It doesn't take long for the chasing dog to realize his big mistake in running toward a moose - one good stomping from the moose & it's history for the dog (coworker's dog died this way) - so dog owners tend to keep a very close eye on their dogs while walking in the city or wilderness or even their own backyard if it's not fenced in.....

Side note: Personally, I couldn't shoot a dog ....

[natetnc]

Nate, actually your wrong, because I actively participate in winter range restoration, removing old fences and preserving habitat for that reason....... And yes I have a little girl and plan on having a few more.

you are also actively participating in population growth, most likely in a rural area. i thought the major decline in most wildlife was due to habitat loss, guess i was wrong, it must be the uncontrollable dogs.

I see coyotes and cougars harassing deer on the winter range. Thats called natural behavior, its what they are hard wired to do.

i am glad you brought this up, for you breeders out there, remember to elliminate prey drive from your program...... it is not "natural behavior".

[Grange]

So when those of you that shoot dogs do you check to see if there is a collar and then try to contact the owner or do just leave it lay?

[Meller]

I think we all are respectful and passionate about the species that we hunt and wildlife of all species; that being said I think it was very disrespectful of the man to tell about the account of killing a dog for runing a deer to obviously a man passionate about dogs; and as far as bird dogs running deer I don't think there is much of a problem of having that happen no matter what breed mainly because we all foot hunt and I can't imagin anyone putting up with that behavior frome thier birddog.
Now as far as dogs running Elk I doubt that many if any have been caught running deer or Elk much over 100yd's; and I can see if this continued to be a problem by the same dog over and over then something probably have to be done; allthough not necessarly shooting the dog immediately, but by going through the proper authorities and not taking matters in our own hands.
Now I would like to tell what a mistake I made a few year's agoe; It was the first day of bird season and I could'nt wait ,boy was I ready; got all my hunting gear ready the night before, had my spot picked out on some conservation ground where I had had some success the previous year, finally after a restless night of sleep opening morning arrived ; I loaded my dogs, got to my spot only to find about four trucks allready there, I told myself that it was a big area and there was room for erverybody; so off I went, had'nt went very far untill I was presented with a finely stounch pointed covey of quail, after the flush while waiting for the retrive I was presented by a different approach the approach of a father and daughter and not very friendly; you see it was also the first day of youth deer season, and he was threating not only to harm my dogs but myself as well, now about that time a five point buck walked in front of us abput fifty yards in front of us,so I explaind to him that I nor were my dogs bothering the deer hunting and I truly did'nt know it was opening day of youth deer season and I would gladly leave. Now this was truly an honest mistake on my part; but in Missouri I was totally legal to be there both seasons opened the same day and both of us were right to be hunting that area. I was glad to get my dog's out of there safe and sound. Since that happened I went and talked to the head man in the conservation dept. over setting the seasons, and told him my experience and was told if that man had killed or harmed my dog in any way I would have had every right to take legal action against him; I explained that legal action would not have brought my dog back to life; and maybe we could change the season's so they don't overlap, and I think this would take the heat out of the discussion's between hunter's. So I guess I'm just saying lets use every discreation before acting. I can see where the deer hunter in my case was coming from and I could see where I was at also. Just a note, bowhunting season runs concurent in Missouri with all of quail season; so it's up to us hunters to be aware of each other.

[gar-dog]

It has nothing to do with "protecting" deer.

That seems to be precisely what it is about. Otherwise, why do it at all?

[Elkhunter]

Gar-dog, because it is ILLEGAL and I am amused that you would stick up and protect irresponsible dog owners. Its very obvious that you dont live in the west, and probably have been out here very few times, if at all. They were closing hiking trails, closing snowmobiling and four-wheeling in the areas that were hit the hardest, would not allow shed hunters anywhere near those areas. But we should let some idiots mutt chase the deer around and then we should do all in our power to locate the owner and help him see the error of his ways? Sorry, thats why our law says to shoot it. In CO, in certain areas they estimate they will have 70 PERCENT WINTER KILL!! Do you think we are gonna stand around while your britt chases deer around on his daily walk? It will cause them to abort, which lowers recruitment, so in the west, especially in UT on t We dont have millions on millions of deer here, getting hit by cars and getting issued multiple deer tags and hunting deer in 40 acre woodlots down the road from my house. To draw in the area I live just for general season its every other year. For a good unit, you will wait 10-20 YEARS TO GET A TAG. Same for elk also. So if some foolish dog owner, is stupid enough to let his dog chase deer/elk on the winter range, then ya he would probably get shot.

Nate, you sound like you work for PETA. Let me help you use some common sense. Try to keep up, is it "natural" for your neighbors dog to chase deer? I will give you a hint, NO. Is your bird dog hunting every night for its meal? Same answer, NO. So in the west, we have limited habitat like you pointed out, thanks for pointing that out to me, of which winter range is the hardest to come by, we have wolves/bears/coyotes/cougars hunting those deer/elk, we have hard winters like this year that will kill 50-70 percent of all deer in certain areas. So we need good recruitment from this years calf/fawn crop to help out the herds. So ya Nate to answer your question again, I will shoot any dog I see harassing wildlife, especially on the winter range. Stop making excuses for irresponsible dog owners, and use some common sense. If you are worried about your dog getting shot, then dont let him harass wildlife. And obviously I dont mean chasing a deer while you are are hunting, or a rabbit or anything like that. I want to point that out before you try to prove some ridiculous point.

[natetnc]

Nate, you sound like you work for PETA..

[Loke]

So when those of you that shoot dogs do you check to see if there is a collar and then try to contact the owner or do just leave it lay?

I contacted the fish and game officer in the area. He was more than happy to pay the owners a visit when he returned the collars. From what I understand, the dogs owners were cited for letting their dogs run loose.

[ohiogsp]

Try to keep up, is it "natural" for your neighbors dog to chase deer? I will give you a hint, NO.

Are you really saying it is not natural for any dog to chase/hunt deer? Or is it just the muts you are talking about? What kind of dog is your neighbors dog? Do you think dogs were not used and trained to hunt deer in the not so far away past? Do you know how many breeds were used for the exact reason? How about how many dogs are used to track deer today and it is perfectly legal? When a dog runs after a deer and it has never been trained to do so what is this "not natural"?