Hey... Brushbustin Sporting Dogs Potential Stud dog

[kninebirddog]

Ok Here is those pictures that Jan emailed me ...

Just thought I would share some more of what an All Age Brittany is about

Here is Chuck aka Maxwell's Blew By You II and Terry working hard preparing for the next round of trials



Yeah it is a small picture but here is terry showing chuck how to look out in the field


Here is that high head pose again think them pointer guys call it head crank


morning coffee getting ready for the day



hmm Looks all brittany to me...what do you think

[Streenie79]

Not that I had much question before, but think you're right K9.....Chuck looks all Brittany to me. Particularly in light of these very intense training pics.....Yup, all Brittany!

[Brushbustin Sporting Dogs]

What kinda dog is that a setter?? :roll:

[ezzy333]

Easily could be! Can't always tell by looking. But a nice looking dog whatever it is.:roll:

Ezzy

[Brushbustin Sporting Dogs]

Ezzy,

Now he's a nice looking dog???

[ezzy333]

Always has been a nice looking dog. I never indicated he wasn't. I did say he does not meet the standards of a Brit. I've had some of those too. My old dog Buddy was about the best looking dog you had ever seen, but it was too bad he was 1 1/2 inches over so he spent his days with me in the bird field. May have been the best dog I ever raised. Just didn't met the Bit's requirements.

Ezzy

[kninebirddog]

Edited .....and apologies ....I like American Field CH / FC Maxwells Blew By You II Chuck he is a nice dog and a fine Birddog.

Here Is chuck and DC taryn when Chuck won the US Open and DC taryn took runner up 2008

[huntindog]

I can't say that I've ever really looked at Chuck, though I have probably seen him at trials. I have seen Taryn quite a bit. I actually roaded her once on my quad.
I haven't put a wicket on her but I know she is shorter than My females, which are barely in standard as far as hieght goes.
From that picture, it sure looks to me that Chuck would make standard. If not, then he is so close that I wouldn't seriously worry about it as he does bring an awful lot to the table

[ezzy333]

Knine,

Lets get back to reality. We are not playing politics here but talking about a dog. So far you have told us how nice his handler is, how nice the dog is, how many trials he has won, and he only is oversized because he isn't stacked right.

Truth is Terry appears to be a nice person, Chuck appears to be a nice dog, Chuck has won a few trials, and the dog is oversized no matter how he is stacked since stacking doesn't change a dogs size.

Without measuring I can't say how much in inches but it really doesn't matter. Sounds like you are trying to say someone is a little bit pregnant. The staqndard says 21, Chuck is well over that, and because of that I wouldn't use him in my breeding program. I know you would as you have said since rules mean little to some. It makes me wonder what other things you don't care about in your breeding. And that is fine since it is your right to breed to what ever you want. But it does lower your credibility in many eyes when you frankly admit that a nice owner and winning a trial is more important than following the breed standard. Seems odd to me that a personal standard becomes so much better than the breed standard just for the sake of trying to win a trial. It isn't even necessary since there are hundreds of dogs that are in the breed standard that have won more and produced more. And even more interesting is with this relaxed idea of whats good and bad you are not even participating in the field trials or the shows that you profess to being an expert on.

Hope this clears up the subject for you and the other readers that have expressed there concern also. You are free to breed to whatever your concience dictates but when I started breeding Brits over 50 years ago I decided the breed was special and I would work at maintaining and improving the breed but it would be done within the standard of the breed. Its too late for me to get as smart as you and decide the breed standard is just an outdated list of silly requirements that tells people what a Brittany really is and how it differs from other breeds.

Just an old fuddy dud that still thinks rules mean something,

Ezzy

[kninebirddog]

Edited .....and apologies ....I like American Field CH / FC Maxwells Blew By You II Chuck he is a nice dog and a fine Birddog.

[ezzy333]

Knine,

What part of oversize do you not understand? I have never heard anyone even question the fact he is oversize till now and all of the excuses in the world won't make him smaller. I don't even understand why you would want to. Its not the dogs fault he grew too big but we all know he did including you, so what is the arguement? The Microdot lineage has tended to be oversize since day one and it has made it hard to use in many of our breeding programs. That doesn't have a thing to say about the field ability as we all know many of them have done well. Stacking has nothing to do with it. Looking just a little big bigger than another dog or any other excuse won't change it. You may be able to teach him to lay down when he is stacked but he would still be oversized. From the sounds of it you don't realize the procedure of how the dogs are measured and by whom. Once you have entered the show ring you have no control over how they get measured.

Lets just agree that your standards of breeding Brittanys are different than mine. We both know many trialers have done the same as you and consequently it is a battle to keep the breed together and not becoming fractured because some just can't seem to live within the breed boundries. and there are people guilty in the show world as well. But there still are many that do care and so we continue to have many Dual dogs and can be proud of them as it proves it is just as easy to get results when stay within the standard and do it right.

Ezzy

[kninebirddog]

Edited .....and apologies ....I like American Field CH / FC Maxwells Blew By You II aka Chuck he is a nice dog and a fine Birddog.

[wems2371]

How tall is a hue? Why don't you just clear the air, get it over with, and tell everybody how tall these dogs are? And stacked in, for the purpose of deceit, would not be an accurate measurement on any dog anywhere. BTW Chuck would appear even taller yet than Taryn, if she were back further in the focal plane of the photo like he is........

I'm not saying I don't like Chuck, or that someone shouldn't breed to him, even if he is taller--that's their decision. I am saying that facts are facts..........so somebody give us some. Tired of seeing poor old Chuck paraded around on GDF for the purpose of being "right". I don't think it's doing him any service, and the people who disagree with you are still entitled to their opinions when it's all said and done. Denise

[kninebirddog]

Edited .....and apologies ....I like American Field CH / FC Maxwells Blew By You II aka Chuck he is a nice dog and a fine Birddog.

[Pointers_31]

Wems, I agree what is all this "hue" talk about? As far as I know a hue is a shade of a color. Also, what does stacked mean? In the English Pointer world we don't have to worry about these things.

[Karen]

My goodness! Why is it so important that we all come around to your thinking Knine??

Robbie asked what people on the list thought of the dog. People voiced their honest opinion, they tried to be tactful (I believe it was something like "if you're not looking for a dual, he's a nice dog"). You couldn't leave it at that. You said you would ask Terry how tall he is and post it. You spoke to him. You posted more pictures of the dog, yet you still don't know how tall he is? WHY?

But anyway, breed every bitch you own to the dog for all any of us care. I still don't like him, and you can post all the cute and cuddly pictures you want, it won't change that I don't like him and that he comes from generations of oversized dogs and will probably throw oversized dogs. You don't have to like my breeding plans, and I certainly don't need to like yours.

[kninebirddog]

Edited .....and apologies ....I like American Field CH / FC Maxwells Blew By You II aka Chuck he is a nice dog and a fine Birddog.

[kninebirddog]

With this strong breeding on Microdot these pups should prove to make great bird dogs and should prove to be fine trials dogs in the future

will be looking forward to seeing them grow and progress in the future

Good Luck Rob