Our Economy

[ohiogsp]

We are pretty bad around here. My aunt breds pet dogs mostly but has weims and begals. She has litters on the ground and is trying to get $25 for the begals and $100 for the Weims. She has lots of pups and can't sell them at all. She has been doing this for years and always sells dogs well.

[BigShooter]

Back to Rob's point about certain activities possibly bucking the national economic trends, from the NSSF:

A Month for the Record Books


BACKGROUND CHECKS ON GUN SALES MOST EVER IN NOVEMBER . . . Background checks on the sale of firearms reached record levels during the month of November, pointing to a spike in sales for the month. Data from the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) show a 42 percent increase in November firearm purchaser background checks. A total of 1,529,635 checks -- the highest monthly total ever -- were reported for the month, up from 1,079,923 in November 2007. Federal law requires FBI background checks on individuals purchasing firearms from federally licensed retailers. The NICS increase coincides with an increase in federal excise taxes reported by firearms and ammunition manufacturers, another key economic indicator for the firearms industry. Trends such as excise taxes and NICS data are strong indicators of sales patterns; however, they are not actual sales. There is no data source that captures firearms sales by month. View full chart.

This is a fact. It's always the interpretation of a set of facts that becomes fodder for debates. In addition to people possibly being more interested in hunting for food or returning to a sport of their youth, another way to interpret this news is that more people are buying guns for self-defense thinking that will become more important in a down-turned economy or that it will become more difficult to own a handgun under a Democratic Congress & Presidency. Who knows?

Mark

[Sharon]

Is it the economy or too many pups?

[Rob]

This is a fact. It's always the interpretation of a set of facts that becomes fodder for debates. In addition to people possibly being more interested in hunting for food or returning to a sport of their youth, another way to interpret this news is that more people are buying guns for self-defense thinking that will become more important in a down-turned economy or that it will become more difficult to own a handgun under a Democratic Congress & Presidency. Who knows?

I think these are all legitimate reasons. I would also add seasonality - this is a historically busy month for gun sales (Christmas/hunting seasons). I personally purchased a handgun this month and the gun shop was unbelievable. In a shop where there are normally 8-10 customers at any given time, there were literally 80-120 both times I was there. They had resorted to handing out numbers for service ala the butcher.

I was told it has been like that every day since mid-October. Justified or not, the people I spoke with have a real fear that we are facing the most anti-gun administration we have ever seen.

Rob

[ezzy333]

I think the economy is something to talk about more than a reason.

Ezzy

[ESetterLove]

Things are tough here in TX - we have not been moving many pups. Training is slow too.

Hey Keith! There might be a reason for that! Could it be you??
I purchased a new pup hours after I had a look at yours and your training farm in SD.

We were on our way to pick up the new pup I had picked out from a breeder in ND no matter what. But
You were abusing my Setter "can't vouch for other owners "clients" but myself"

Puppies are not hard to move when a prospective owner is motivated enough to drive a long distance just to look at them.

Who here wishes to see my email interaction with Keith?

[ohiogsp]

Back to Rob's point about certain activities possibly bucking the national economic trends, from the NSSF:

A Month for the Record Books


BACKGROUND CHECKS ON GUN SALES MOST EVER IN NOVEMBER . . . Background checks on the sale of firearms reached record levels during the month of November, pointing to a spike in sales for the month. Data from the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) show a 42 percent increase in November firearm purchaser background checks. A total of 1,529,635 checks -- the highest monthly total ever -- were reported for the month, up from 1,079,923 in November 2007. Federal law requires FBI background checks on individuals purchasing firearms from federally licensed retailers. The NICS increase coincides with an increase in federal excise taxes reported by firearms and ammunition manufacturers, another key economic indicator for the firearms industry. Trends such as excise taxes and NICS data are strong indicators of sales patterns; however, they are not actual sales. There is no data source that captures firearms sales by month. View full chart.

This is a fact. It's always the interpretation of a set of facts that becomes fodder for debates. In addition to people possibly being more interested in hunting for food or returning to a sport of their youth, another way to interpret this news is that more people are buying guns for self-defense thinking that will become more important in a down-turned economy or that it will become more difficult to own a handgun under a Democratic Congress & Presidency. Who knows?

Mark

I believe that alot of people think Obama is going to try to inforce new gun control legislation. Also you have public officials out there telling people with the economy and all the increase in home invasions the police can't protect you and you should go buy a gun. I do know that there was a huge increase right after Obama was elected. I am talking within weeks.

[Kmack]

My take is slightly different (and probably not PC) but I think the logic behind people buying more guns has two components that have little to do with gun control.

Guns will hold or increase in value while other investments are shaky at best, and the more guns and ammo you have the better you can protect your other assets from being redistributed...

[romeo212000]

Things are tough here in TX - we have not been moving many pups. Training is slow too.

Hey Keith! There might be a reason for that! Could it be you??
I purchased a new pup hours after I had a look at yours and your training farm in SD.

We were on our way to pick up the new pup I had picked out from a breeder in ND no matter what. But
You were abusing my Setter "can't vouch for other owners "clients" but myself"

Puppies are not hard to move when a prospective owner is motivated enough to drive a long distance just to look at them.

Who here wishes to see my email interaction with Keith?

I dont think this is the place for that post right there. If you chose not to buy a pup from him then that is fine and its your business. If he really truly were abusing dogs this is not the place to do something about it. At this point it's all hearsay.

[ezzy333]

We have three local firearm shops and each of them have had a 40% increaqse in sales since the election with the biggest increase in AR weapons and secondly handguns. All stated in the paper last week most people are buying now before the Dems take over the White House since they probably won't be able to afterwards. I would add to check your ammunition since I will bet it will more than double in cost.

Ezzy

[pear]

Sorry Guy's and Gals. This one is being locked. It started out discussing the economic effect on selling puppies and has now degraded to a political discussion envolving guns and straight political talk. SORRY ..."pear"