Dual Registration

[prairiefirepointers]

How do I go about getting dual registration? We are currently registered with the AF, but might be interested in getting AKC also so our young dogs could be doing the hunt test thing.

Thanks!

[Brittguy]

Maybe you can find the answer here. If not there should be a phone number somewhere in the webpage. www.akc.org

[Brushbustin Sporting Dogs]

There is a from you can download off the site Bill gave you that gives you all the information you need to get you dog dual registered. Go to downloadable forms can't remmeber what they call it but I'm sure you'll find it if not I can help ya look if need be.

[47sgs]

From www.akc.org, go to downloadable forms on the left, then scroll down to Registration. The third form is "AKC registration application for open registry of an individual dog". That will give you the form, and a list of a few things you need to send with it.

[RayGubernat]

That is a bingo on the open registration option. that is what I did with my dogs. They wanted, as i recall a copy of the FDSB registration, a copy of a 3 generation pedigree and a front and side view picture. And money of course.


Check the website and follow the directions. They may have changed since I did it a couple of years ago. It was a snap.

RayG

[kninebirddog]

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/ADOPEN.pdf

that is a direct link to the app which has all the instructions on the last page

[smokin deuces]

Ray is right, we just finished registering ours with the open registration. He had FDSB and we had no problems getting his registration. I did hear a rumor that they may be changing open registration before long so you may want to get in soon...could just be a rumor though.

[prairiefirepointers]

THANKS EVERYONE!

[RayGubernat]

Just one man's opinion...BUT

It is a matter of fact that the FDSB preceeded the AKC as a canine registry in the USA It is also a matter of fact that the AKC pedigree registry got its start in the USA by acxcepting a gift of the existing FDSB pedigree records.

Since the AKC pedigree records START with FDSB records, it is inconceivable to me that the AKC would not be bound to accept a properly registered FDSB pointer or setter as a purebred.

RayG

[prairiefirepointers]

Ray,

Let me get this straight.. In order for me to run AKC hunt tests with one of my pups I'm keeping to start, I need to register pup with FDSB obviously, but I also have to file with AKC since they sanction the hunt tests. Now.. When I do so with the AKC pup will not be registered as a purebred? Is that what I'm hearing??

[Brushbustin Sporting Dogs]

No thats not what Ray was saying. He was just saying that FDSB came before AKC and he couldn't see why they would quit doing the dual registration.

[vzkennels]

From what I understand both the AKC & FDSB are making it more difficult to double register.More rules,regs, & requirements.

[RuttCrazed]

How hard is it to register a dog with AKC registration to FDSB?

Rut

[Dave Quindt]

It is a matter of fact that the FDSB preceded the AKC as a canine registry in the USA It is also a matter of fact that the AKC pedigree registry got its start in the USA by accepting a gift of the existing FDSB pedigree records.

Ray,

When you look at all of the different registries that have contributed to the AKC, the FDSB contribution is pretty small in comparison. And let's be honest, the "FDSB" in 1887 wasn't much more than a loose association of a number of interested parties.

Since the AKC pedigree records START with FDSB records, it is inconceivable to me that the AKC would not be bound to accept a properly registered FDSB pointer or setter as a purebred.

RayG

The only thing the AKC was "bound to accept" was the initial stud book contributions. Let's face it Ray, the AKC has far surpassed the FDSB in its size and scope, including its audit and record keeping standards. Of all of the major registries that the AKC accepts, I can't think of one that's nearly as shrouded in mystery, and potential unstability, as the FDSB.

The AKC is bound not to the FDSB; instead the AKC is bound to protect the value and integrity of its own registry. If during the DNA mess a few years ago the FDSB had decided to throw out all DNA results (as had been lobbied for by many) before implementing it's own DNA standards, thereby ignoring the known pedigree fraud, it would be absurd to think that the AKC would be bound to accept those pedigrees based on what occurred in 1887.

And considering how the FDSB/AF gets far more benefit from the reciprocity relationship than the AKC, they would be foolish to upset the relationship too much. But Ted is correct; they have made things more of late.

JMO,
Dave

[RayGubernat]

Dave -

I honestly couldn't give a rat's patoot about the pedigrees of Cavalier King Charles spaniels, Borzois, Char-Pei's or Welsh Rarebits(oops, that's a food). or any of the hundreds and hundreds of other non-sporting dog breeds. I simply have zero interest. I also have zero interest in conformation type shows. I would watch and agility or an obedience competition and most probably enjoy it, but that is about it.

My interest in sporting breeds would gravitate toward the hunting breeds and specifically pointers, E. Setters and Irish Setters. The rest are of little or no concern to me.

And speaking of Irish Setters, specifically Irish Setters that actually can smell their food dishes and have brains enough to come in out of the rain... the AKC has done a real good job with them, haven't they now?? RIIIGHT!!

Yeah, Yeah, I know, they are only the pedigree registry... the breed club is responsible. Heard it before...still don't buy it.

Bottom line is if you have a pointer and you want to cross register it into the AKC it is simple and easy.

RayG